MotoGP: 2015 Round 15 - Motul Grand Prix of Japan (SPOILERS)

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How about that Q2?
Frigging awesome :)


Thus far I've hated the 15 minute quali - but this one was freekin' tight. I think it's taken the old timers a while to come to grips with it. Lorenzo looked good but can't be happy knowing Rossi is right beside him on the grid. Turn one could be more interesting than usual.
 
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Softer Medium than usual? Seems as though the riggers are very clumsy indeed, unless of course they are rigging it for a certain Spaniard.

Because it is very much in both Dorna's and Bridgestone's interest that Lorenzo wins, as he is their big ticket draw and money maker.

They certainly wouldn't want that no-mark Rossi winning, as he has never done anything to broaden the appeal of the sport. Bridgestone definitely would do anything to have Lorenzo winning, rather than the Bridgestone brand ambassador and adviser Valentino Rossi.

Yeah, that makes total sense.
 
Because it is very much in both Dorna's and Bridgestone's interest that Lorenzo wins, as he is their big ticket draw and money maker.

They certainly wouldn't want that no-mark Rossi winning, as he has never done anything to broaden the appeal of the sport. Bridgestone definitely would do anything to have Lorenzo winning, rather than the Bridgestone brand ambassador and adviser Valentino Rossi.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

Absurd right? So you're agreeing with the tin foil hat brigade then ;)
 
The facts would appear to suggest otherwise.

To clarify, I think the suggestion that Bridgestone are favoring Lorenzo is as ridiculous as the suggestion that Bridgestone are favoring Rossi. I reject tinfoil, whether it be yellow or black and red.
 
We have a new sport network here called BeIN Sport. They are Qatari leaning bias, so when the Associated Press reports another FIFA scandal (now on a weekly basis) you would almost think it's inconsequential news on BeIN Sport, meanwhile ESPN and FOX Sport outline the gore in detail. Why? Because entities which have a stake in promoting and moving money and power are subject to self interests. Its no different for DORNA.

Anyway, so is Rossi going to make it rain or what?
 
whats happening with the Bridgestones this weekend?

The only way Rossi is going to win the title this year is if hurricanes hit every round, helmets continue to malfunction, Hondas keep ending up in the gravel, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and Nicky Hayden all win a race, 2 more of JFK's assassins are arrested, Area 51 is open to the public for guided tours, treasure is found in the Oak Island Money Pit, someone figures out how they built the Egyptian Pyramids and the Longyou Caves in China, Hilter is found alive and well and has been moonlighting as a Brazilian Porn star for the past 70 years and Jumkie posts a selfie of himself and Kesh in a warm embrace.....

Now you're just being ridiculous
 
To clarify, I think the suggestion that Bridgestone are favoring Lorenzo is as ridiculous as the suggestion that Bridgestone are favoring Rossi. I reject tinfoil, whether it be yellow or black and red.

Of course I'm in agreement with you on this, it seems to be one of the most highly anticipated finishes to a season since 2006 IMO, funnily enough nine years the same guy is the focus of it.

My opinion of the season thus-far stands, it has been down to favorable circumstances for both riders and indeed Marc.

For Lorenzo, the medium Heat treated option has worked extremely well for him, and in the majority of his wins the track temp has also been in the perfect zone. I only say this because when its not and when the other compound options have been the best choice he has been struggling to get on the podium. And of course the wet and changing conditions have seen him struggle too.

For Rossi the same is true only flipped, the harder compounds and wet conditions have seen him dominate and the big difference is he is stronger when circumstances do not favor him. The reason why Lorenzo has won more is because the medium heat treated option has been a more consistent choice than the harder, and certainly the extra hard which Rossi used to such devastating effect in Argentina-and I think this is last time that option was even available? Not crazy conspiracy just circumstance.

My beef is with the whole 'Jorge is faster in the dry/normal conditions' commentary which is becoming rife, this is normally backed up with Rossi needs rain or miracles to beat him. This should be justified with Jorge is faster with the dry/medium compound heat treated optimal temperature conditions, because when its been dry without these factors (Qatar, COTA, Argentina, Assen, Sachsenring) then he has been off the podium generally, and Rossi has beaten him in the dry.

Motegi has been very interesting to this point also. Jorge doing his usual with the slightly softer Medium in more optimum conditions, until in FP4 and QP the tables turned-as did the climactic conditions. What is fairly incredible and noted in other commentary is the amount which Rossi has gained over the weekend-and with this, all of this talk of data sharing has emerged from the Lorenzo side of the garage-

Question

-Haven't they been data sharing since 2009 as teammates? And why now is it all of a sudden a problem other than the obvious turnaround in the timing sheets? On the flip side for Jorge, was he and his team not looking at Rossi's data in Assen, COTA, Qatar, etc etc?

I do like your QP summary, it does make sense that Rossi's first run behind Lorenzo was indeed a masterstroke-not close enough for a tow but close enough for a good marker and as you said whether or not this was deliberate or as it has been so difficult to define of the years with Rossi- just a happy accident, remains to be seen.

But of course this is just one lap strategy and the race is looking a little more tricky, what is clear is that Rossi and his team have really worked very hard to ensure that Marc, Dani and the Ducati's are not in front of him on the grid-which in turn signals their clear intent for the race.
 
Of course I'm in agreement with you on this, it seems to be one of the most highly anticipated finishes to a season since 2006 IMO, funnily enough nine years the same guy is the focus of it.

My opinion of the season thus-far stands, it has been down to favorable circumstances for both riders and indeed Marc.

For Lorenzo, the medium Heat treated option has worked extremely well for him, and in the majority of his wins the track temp has also been in the perfect zone. I only say this because when its not and when the other compound options have been the best choice he has been struggling to get on the podium. And of course the wet and changing conditions have seen him struggle too.

For Rossi the same is true only flipped, the harder compounds and wet conditions have seen him dominate and the big difference is he is stronger when circumstances do not favor him. The reason why Lorenzo has won more is because the medium heat treated option has been a more consistent choice than the harder, and certainly the extra hard which Rossi used to such devastating effect in Argentina-and I think this is last time that option was even available? Not crazy conspiracy just circumstance.

My beef is with the whole 'Jorge is faster in the dry/normal conditions' commentary which is becoming rife, this is normally backed up with Rossi needs rain or miracles to beat him. This should be justified with Jorge is faster with the dry/medium compound heat treated optimal temperature conditions, because when its been dry without these factors (Qatar, COTA, Argentina, Assen, Sachsenring) then he has been off the podium generally, and Rossi has beaten him in the dry.

Motegi has been very interesting to this point also. Jorge doing his usual with the slightly softer Medium in more optimum conditions, until in FP4 and QP the tables turned-as did the climactic conditions. What is fairly incredible and noted in other commentary is the amount which Rossi has gained over the weekend-and with this, all of this talk of data sharing has emerged from the Lorenzo side of the garage-

Question

-Haven't they been data sharing since 2009 as teammates? And why now is it all of a sudden a problem other than the obvious turnaround in the timing sheets? On the flip side for Jorge, was he and his team not looking at Rossi's data in Assen, COTA, Qatar, etc etc?

I do like your QP summary, it does make sense that Rossi's first run behind Lorenzo was indeed a masterstroke-not close enough for a tow but close enough for a good marker and as you said whether or not this was deliberate or as it has been so difficult to define of the years with Rossi- just a happy accident, remains to be seen.

But of course this is just one lap strategy and the race is looking a little more tricky, what is clear is that Rossi and his team have really worked very hard to ensure that Marc, Dani and the Ducati's are not in front of him on the grid-which in turn signals their clear intent for the race.

I haven't read the summary - but yes - I was wondering this morning when I watched the QP if I had ever seen Rossi go out and tail Lorenzo during qualifying in all the years they've been competitors.
 
Talps,

I would expect Yamaha to virtually insists on some level of data sharing. If Lorenzo is running a second faster in the dry one afternoon, I would think it perfectly legitimate for the Team to assist Rossi where there is uniformity in setup. Since their riding styles are quite different I'm not so sure in this instance the data is entirely relevant. Surely there has to be some "team" concept if not among the riders at least among the team principles.

Yamaha's interest is to have both their bikes on the podium. I suppose Krop might have greater insight but I think there must be some level of data sharing going in both directions.
 
Delays being posted for the WUP's so far. Visibility obscuration is a real problem. No medical heli therefore no riders on track. Things will need to improve quite a bit.
 
Delays being posted for the WUP's so far. Visibility obscuration is a real problem. No medical heli therefore no riders on track. Things will need to improve quite a bit.

Supposedly there is no medical helicopter at the circuit anymore, and they are going to run the MotoGP without the helicopter there.

3-4 hours southwest of Motegi is Fuji Speedway, and the WEC 6 Hours of Fuji Endurance race is going on right now, lots of rain. First half hour was under the safety car.
 
We have a new sport network here called BeIN Sport. They are Qatari leaning bias, so when the Associated Press reports another FIFA scandal (now on a weekly basis) you would almost think it's inconsequential news on BeIN Sport, meanwhile ESPN and FOX Sport outline the gore in detail. Why? Because entities which have a stake in promoting and moving money and power are subject to self interests. Its no different for DORNA.

Anyway, so is Rossi going to make it rain or what?

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Forced to watch btsports. Why is it that everyone west of the Normandy is too retarded to pronounce anything that isn't English? Jesus. Crutchlow this,redding that, oh let's talk to Barbara and whore gay. "No one really wants to talk to meeey" well no ..... You give the term wc a whole new meaning.


Go vale
 
Supposedly there is no medical helicopter at the circuit anymore, and they are going to run the MotoGP without the helicopter there.

3-4 hours southwest of Motegi is Fuji Speedway, and the WEC 6 Hours of Fuji Endurance race is going on right now, lots of rain. First half hour was under the safety car.
No chopper? Thought they couldn't run sessions without one. A couple of years back they cancelled an FP due to lack of helicopter access
 
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