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whats happening with the Bridgestones this weekend?

Softer Medium than usual? Seems as though the riggers are very clumsy indeed, unless of course they are rigging it for a certain Spaniard.

The only way Rossi is going to win the title this year is if hurricanes hit every round, helmets continue to malfunction, Hondas keep ending up in the gravel, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and Nicky Hayden all win a race, 2 more of JFK's assassins are arrested, Area 51 is open to the public for guided tours, treasure is found in the Oak Island Money Pit, someone figures out how they built the Egyptian Pyramids and the Longyou Caves in China, Hilter is found alive and well and has been moonlighting as a Brazilian Porn star for the past 70 years and Jumkie posts a selfie of himself and Kesh in a warm embrace.....
 
Your point is? The tyres as always are the same for everyone, and Bridgestone providing hard tyres for cold conditions would be the bigger stretch.

Rossi winning the 8th premier class title against current opposition at age 36 would be hardly less remarkable than most of the other unlikely happenstances you mention, which does not make a 3rd title for Jorge unworthy if that eventuates though either.

In regard to the thread more generally, I agree it is another wet-dry race which would be problematic for Jorge, he has lost confidence in mixed conditions after recent vicissitudes, but as others have said a full wet race would likely hinder him much less.
 
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levigarrett said:
I like the wet/dry races because we have more contenders. Instead of a 4 bike grid, we end up with something more like an 8 or 10 bike grid. There is a race within a race. There is a chance that someone who's largely unnoticed will do something memorable. Rain equalizes and there always seems to be someone who makes more of the opportunity than the others.
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Normally I might not agree.... but given how many years we've suffered through races that were way too predictable, it's kind of a relief to have all these other factors added, especially when there's a chance that one of the satellite teams might benefit. I certainly does add an element of suspense when we're all speculating on what strategy any given rider will use and whether said strategy will work or backfire.

Mind you - I really do hope that the race is primarily between Lorenzo and Rossi.
 
Talpa said:
whats happening with the Bridgestones this weekend?

Softer Medium than usual? Seems as though the riggers are very clumsy indeed, unless of course they are rigging it for a certain Spaniard.

The only way Rossi is going to win the title this year is if hurricanes hit every round, helmets continue to malfunction, Hondas keep ending up in the gravel, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and Nicky Hayden all win a race, 2 more of JFK's assassins are arrested, Area 51 is open to the public for guided tours, treasure is found in the Oak Island Money Pit, someone figures out how they built the Egyptian Pyramids and the Longyou Caves in China, Hilter is found alive and well and has been moonlighting as a Brazilian Porn star for the past 70 years and Jumkie posts a selfie of himself and Kesh in a warm embrace.....
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So you think Rossi has a strong chance for the championship?:D
 
Talpa said:
whats happening with the Bridgestones this weekend?

Softer Medium than usual? Seems as though the riggers are very clumsy indeed, unless of course they are rigging it for a certain Spaniard.

The only way Rossi is going to win the title this year is if hurricanes hit every round, helmets continue to malfunction, Hondas keep ending up in the gravel, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki and Nicky Hayden all win a race, 2 more of JFK's assassins are arrested, Area 51 is open to the public for guided tours, treasure is found in the Oak Island Money Pit, someone figures out how they built the Egyptian Pyramids and the Longyou Caves in China, Hilter is found alive and well and has been moonlighting as a Brazilian Porn star for the past 70 years and Jumkie posts a selfie of himself and Kesh in a warm embrace.....
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To be fair, Rossi has been doing most of those things u listed, .... he even sent Nicky to Wsbk FFS.
 
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michaelm said:
Your point is? The tyres as always are the same for everyone, and Bridgestone providing hard tyres for cold conditions would be the bigger stretch.

Rossi winning the 8th premier class title against current opposition at age 36 would be hardly less remarkable than most of the other unlikely happenstances you mention, which does not make a 3rd title for Jorge unworthy if that eventuates though either.

In regard to the thread more generally, I agree it is another wet-dry race which would be problematic for Jorge, he has lost confidence in mixed conditions after recent vicissitudes, but as others have said a full wet race would likely hinder him much less.
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Ah now you see thats where your very wrong mate, the tires are not the same for everyone at all, for the simple fact that they are the same-yet varying slightly every round and the choice is absurdly narrow. So far this season 'ALL' of Jorges victories have come on the same medium compound-and only one without the heat treatment-this says a LOT.

The rubber makes an indelible mark on race pace, particularly in regards to fuel consumption at tracks like Silverstone, Aragon and Motegi with long straights and point and shoot sections. Rossi is complaining again that he is 10kph down again and the straights (same as Aragon) I believe this would have something to do with the fuel computer and electronics backing it off when he's exiting corners to preserve the rubber with the softer compounds for the race-yes its the same for everyone, but Rossi is a foot taller than Lorenzo, Marc and even more than Dani-yes he can make up for it braking etc etc, but when your searching for 2-3 tenths a lap at this level- physics play a big role and the rubber supply will more than anything determine this years title.

The one thing that rain does do well is level the playing field in more ways than one, it basically nullifies the fuel computer, which is for me one of the main reasons why we saw Petrucci (who is huge for Motogp rider) on the podium at Silverstone.

And I completely disagree, Jorge's third in the prime of his career has nothing on a 36 year winning the title for an 8th time. I don't know if this would beat the Furors second coming in the remarkable stakes though.....

And if you missed the sarcasm of my post and those I'm having a go at I can't help you sorry mate.....:D
 
Oh boy, the Ducati's are going to be starting near the front. Add Marc and Dani, Rossi will have to work through the crowd a bit. This should be entertaining.
 
levigarrett said:
Oh boy, the Ducati's are going to be starting near the front. Add Marc and Dani, Rossi will have to work through the crowd a bit. This should be entertaining.
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Work through the crowd in the rain most likely.. Ducati's might be hard to get around with those long straights. Most interesting race...
 
Talpa said:
Ah now you see thats where your very wrong mate, the tires are not the same for everyone at all, for the simple fact that they are the same-yet varying slightly every round and the choice is absurdly narrow. So far this season 'ALL' of Jorges victories have come on the same medium compound-and only one without the heat treatment-this says a LOT.
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Not really Talps it does not say a lot and nor does it support any conspiracy theory that he is being favoured.

What it says is that these tyres suit Lorenzo and his style/preferred bike settingfs, just as other tyres and their various compounds/construction suit other riders.


Talpa said:
The rubber makes an indelible mark on race pace, particularly in regards to fuel consumption at tracks like Silverstone, Aragon and Motegi with long straights and point and shoot sections. Rossi is complaining again that he is 10kph down again and the straights (same as Aragon) I believe this would have something to do with the fuel computer and electronics backing it off when he's exiting corners to preserve the rubber with the softer compounds for the race-yes its the same for everyone, but Rossi is a foot taller than Lorenzo, Marc and even more than Dani-yes he can make up for it braking etc etc, but when your searching for 2-3 tenths a lap at this level- physics play a big role and the rubber supply will more than anything determine this years title.
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This Rossi dude seriously has to stop his whinging and moaning and bitching.

Why can't he just be happy and thankful that he is out there racing.

:D ;)


Talpa said:
The one thing that rain does do well is level the playing field in more ways than one, it basically nullifies the fuel computer, which is for me one of the main reasons why we saw Petrucci (who is huge for Motogp rider) on the podium at Silverstone.
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I don't believe that rain is as levelling today as it was a few years ago but totally agree that what it does is remove fuel consumption as being a determining factor in modern racing and I also agree that the requirements placed by the fuel limits are a black mark in not allowing these guys to race but rather they must race to a figure.

Talpa said:
And I completely disagree, Jorge's third in the prime of his career has nothing on a 36 year winning the title for an 8th time. I don't know if this would beat the Furors second coming in the remarkable stakes though.....
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I personally think that 2015 is Rossi's year and believe that it will be a significant benefit to Yamaha and Dorna when he wins the title (yes, I say when).

Will it be remarkable?

Well more for the years gap between titles than his age as nowadays our sportpeople often have longer careers than in the past and let us be honest, Rossi is still remarkably fit (mentally and physically) and has really only had the one major injury which being a broken leg healed quite well (as opposed to riders with ongoing injury concerns etc). He may be 36 but there are so many ways that he is 26 so I do not look at the age but as I said, do admit the years gap is one hell of an achievement


But may I ask?

If roles were reversed would we be talking conspiracy theories?
 
More ugly winglets on the Ducati.
This time M1-esque.
So I guess the mid-fairing ones were indeed to promote flow from the rad ducts.
 
Dr No said:
More ugly winglets on the Ducati.
This time M1-esque.
So I guess the mid-fairing ones were indeed to promote flow from the rad ducts.
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I'm a bit confounded by all of this. I suppose it's important to remember that Ducati is still testing. They've got a new bike, they're trying all sorts of things.

No matter what, tomorrow will be entertaining. I was surprised to see the the Honda's and Ducati's lose so much from the am to pm session.
 
Talpa said:
Ah now you see thats where your very wrong mate, the tires are not the same for everyone at all, for the simple fact that they are the same-yet varying slightly every round and the choice is absurdly narrow. So far this season 'ALL' of Jorges victories have come on the same medium compound-and only one without the heat treatment-this says a LOT.

The rubber makes an indelible mark on race pace, particularly in regards to fuel consumption at tracks like Silverstone, Aragon and Motegi with long straights and point and shoot sections. Rossi is complaining again that he is 10kph down again and the straights (same as Aragon) I believe this would have something to do with the fuel computer and electronics backing it off when he's exiting corners to preserve the rubber with the softer compounds for the race-yes its the same for everyone, but Rossi is a foot taller than Lorenzo, Marc and even more than Dani-yes he can make up for it braking etc etc, but when your searching for 2-3 tenths a lap at this level- physics play a big role and the rubber supply will more than anything determine this years title.

The one thing that rain does do well is level the playing field in more ways than one, it basically nullifies the fuel computer, which is for me one of the main reasons why we saw Petrucci (who is huge for Motogp rider) on the podium at Silverstone.

And I completely disagree, Jorge's third in the prime of his career has nothing on a 36 year winning the title for an 8th time. I don't know if this would beat the Furors second coming in the remarkable stakes though.....

And if you missed the sarcasm of my post and those I'm having a go at I can't help you sorry mate.....:D
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I didn't say Jorge winning would be as remarkable as Rossi doing so, just that it would still be worthy, and specifically acknowledged that Rossi's form this year was not much less unlikely than the unlikely occurrences I obviously realised you had listed with sarcastic intent.

The tyre Jorge has won on was equally available to Valentino, and was in fact the standard tyre before the PI 2013 debacle; I believe it is even the tyre Valentino voted for when he was at Ducati. I agree there should be more tyre choice, but don't see how this relates to a particular currently available tyre suiting Jorge better than Valentino; there is also a current tyre which suits Valentino better than Jorge on which Valentino has won several races which I don't seek to take away from him.
 
DeAngelis diagnosis

From the MotoGP website - Alex de Angelis undergoing treatment after FP4 crash

Alex has been diagnosed with lung contusion after preliminary analysis, further checks revealed several rib fractures. A spinal CT scan revealed fractures to the T7-T8-T9 vertebrae, a body fracture to L4 and trasversal process fractures to T2,4 and 8.


Are any medicos in here able to trasnlate the Spinal damages please into laymans terms

Of course these still sound like significant injuries but given the alternatives I hope the above to be good news (or at least better than what could have been)

Thanks
 
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levigarrett said:
I didn't expect Lorenzo to be on form with his injury. Rossi needs rain. Both Honda's will play spoiler on Sunday. Rain also improves the Ducati's. Going to be interesting.
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As ever - most of the time we can't really can say how much the Journos actually know about a particular injury and with a few exceptions, it's hard to know how much they exaggerate for the sake of sensationalism. True - Rossi may need rain to win at Motegi - but not to win the championship.

How much of role the Hondas will play is hard to say. MM made some good laps but as usual looked like he was hanging on for dear life. The Hondas may not "be ...." but as usual they don't look nearly as planted as the MIs. Tho even the famed stability of the M1 isn't enough to keep Bashley Smith from two trips to the kitty litter in one 15 minute session. Maybe this weekend will put to rest the meme that this is a "Honda track". MM looks like a crash waiting to happen. If the poor .... would not try to win the race in the first two laps maybe he'd finish.
 
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