Motegi Race**Spoiler**

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 23 2007, 08:38 AM) [snapback]92662[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ha Ha Ha....Rossi and Pedrobot Fans!!!...Enjoy the Casey Stoner & Ducati Celebrations!!!...lol



yes well enjoy your one win, cos we all know deep down that this was not exactly a fight for the title, casey bassically rode home with it because its taken michelin so long to get there probs sorted.
it would not have been this way if michellin come into the game with good rubber so enjoy it while you can, maybe in another 10 years you will get another champ.................

i dont usually get into the man vs man thing but rossi was riding round for about 10 laps on a mashed tyre and still catching the leading pack so rossi = legend.

but still welldone to casey as i said earlier.

oh and im not bitter im just giving back what you throw at us, its quite childish really but someone has to argue back at your fake comments.

anyway i had my own championship i bought an egg cup and pretended rossi really won so.......... lolololololololol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 23 2007, 07:53 AM)

see rossi come into the pit the 2nd time when he wasnt on the pace after the tire change, to tell the world, "oh my bike is ...., i'm gonna do a ride thru to tell u about it" hhahahahah

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 23 2007, 08:22 AM)

rossi didnt have a perfect bike so he gave up by coming into the pits just to have a whinge. unlike stoner who had clutch problems last week he rode around it and never gave up.

keep dreaming

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Sep 24 2007, 02:37 AM) [snapback]92827[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yes well enjoy your one win, cos we all know deep down that this was not exactly a fight for the title, casey bassically rode home with it because its taken michelin so long to get there probs sorted.
it would not have been this way if michellin come into the game with good rubber so enjoy it while you can, maybe in another 10 years you will get another champ.................


Excuses Excuses Excuses!!!....Youre a sad man jazkat and youre talking rubbish!!! Before Rossi when was the last Italian WC'p? I think you have to go back longer then 10 years, but I will tell you when the last Italian WC'p was...1982 Franco Uncini....so dont talk about the Australians or dont compare us as being some sort of dinosaurs as far as the WC'ps are concerned!!!

Statistics;
Since 1977 the premier class score is: USA=15 Australia=7 Italy=7 GB=1 Spain=1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 23 2007, 06:03 PM) [snapback]92830[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Excuses Excuses Excuses!!!....Youre a sad man jazkat and youre talking rubbish!!! Before Rossi when was the last Italian WC'p? I think you have to go back longer then 10 years, but I will tell you when the last Italian WC'p was...1982 Franco Uncini....so dont talk about the Australians or dont compare us as being some sort of dinosaurs as far as the WC'ps are concerned!!!

Statistics;
Since 1977 the premier class score is: USA=15 Australia=7 Italy=7 GB=1 Spain=1



when did i say i was comparing italians to ozzy's???

thats all im saying is that if michelin would have been on form then it may have been different, so im just saying enjoy it while you can.

and im noway bitter about casey winning its actually nice to see a different world champ

and dont get so misserable you shrimp lol geez, i laff it off when u lot have a poke, you being an ozzy lol, throw another shrimp on the barbeeeeeeeeeee and all that.

and italy has many legendry things , cars , food , women, bikes, etc ,
the only legendry thing you got is a barbeeee-Q and a can of beer.

you got your fake world champ so no need to be misserable.

i was starting to like you but yo can f-off now lol.

dam take a joke will you. why cant anyone have a joke and laff.

lets all be friends

Mamola's on british eurosport Keshav but I don't know how easy it might be to get it in the US. And yes, I thought the camera work sucked too.


hey Keshav, try this, http://www.tvover.net/TVStation,direct,38.aspx

Thanks! I'll give it a try,
Cheers,
K

I must say, Casey Stoner was brilliant and flawless this season.
But bare in mind that he raced on the fastest bike in the world using the best tyres in the world

Nevertheless he was brilliant in his tactics. He knew how to win and he knew how to loose.

So congratulations to Stoner for winning the world championship.
Congratulations to Ducati for providing him with the best equipment there is and...
Congratulations to Bridgestone for working OVER-TIME to develop brilliant tyres.

But congralutations to Rossi aswell for giving his best and taking the 2nd spot in the world championship, also good luck with the tax problems.

Shame on Yamaha for providing the crappiest bike there is.
Shame on Michelin for providing the crappiest tyres you can get.

Actually it doesn't come as a surprise that Michelin tyres suck, knowing how many hours the french work everyday.

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Congrats to Stoner!

Play nice - the new WC can apparently - click enlarge to see....

Hopefully should put an end to the trolls who say he never gives Rossi any respect.

BTW check my avatar - Rossi fan, but also racing fan....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Sep 23 2007, 08:11 PM) [snapback]92843[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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Congrats to Stoner!

Play nice - the new WC can apparently - click enlarge to see....

Hopefully should put an end to the trolls who say he never gives Rossi any respect.

BTW check my avatar - Rossi fan, but also racing fan....

thats bloody great that, showed me a side of stoner i didn't no existed

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Sep 23 2007, 08:11 PM) [snapback]92843[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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I was just reading about this on MotoGP's site. Last paragraph:

http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/motogp_new...s&news_id=21072

Awesome!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 23 2007, 06:35 PM) [snapback]92826[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. Any rider who doesn't win a given race can say that the bike/tyres wasn't up to the task because it was built to allow the rider to win. But its a team sport and today they didn't have it sorted. Even if Rossi/Yamaha had a tyre/setup for the second part of the race i still don't think rossi would have won, it was clear from the riders who appeared on the podium that strategically speaking the early stop was better.

2. Sounds a little sore to me. I found the race to be a thriller, and the type of race that shows the difference between a guy on world championhsip form and a guy struggling to get it together. Rather approriate i thought.


1. I see this race being called a team strategy victory by some and you hint that way as well and I wonder:
A. Is it brilliant team strategy when Elias got his first bike suspension all wrong for the rain and therefore took his first chance to go in and switch?
B. Is it brilliant team strategy when you are on too soft rubber, loosing time on every lap, and through this decide to take a chance and go in early?

Dont get me wrong, I really enjoy seing Elias, DePuniet and Capirossi on the podium. They all get a nice podium after a difficult season, but to honor this result to brilliant team effort rather than partly fast and good ridingin the second part and partly pure luck is a bit too much to me.

Actually, to me it looks like it was the oposite way, bad team desitions were made before the start, wrong tires choosen and settup errors made, and beacuse of this they all had little or nothing too loose by going in early. But they were fast on the right rubber, all three + Guintolli. They all pushed hard and made the most out of a lucky draw.

2. It could be seen that way, allthough I fail to see what kind of championhsip form Stoner showed this weekend, or was it Capirossi you were talking about?
Not to take anything away from Stoner though. He did a decent job on a bad day. I don't see that in any close relations with Rossi serving him the few last points that he eventually would have gotten anyway. As others have pointed out, ending on Edwards place as a championship closer is hardly a breath taking finish. I say this only to explain that I don't really get your point. In fact I would have enjoyed seing him on the top of the podium today as the new WC and then I would have agreed with you as there has been a sense of a guy on world championhsip form and a gut struggling to get it together but I didn't see the championship form today.






<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Sep 23 2007, 10:09 AM) [snapback]92683[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's a bit rough... I think that you're right in that it's a fortunate person that can laugh at someone else's misfortune, however I believe that most aussie fans are simply ecstatic that Stoner finally tied up the Championship win against one of the best rider's in history, regardless of how it happened!

And refer to my above reply to Ospi...


Before you judge me too hard, the intention was to get the answere you made above my post: To declare that Aussis are not like that at all in general. My childish way of kicking back at those that love to kick down on others when they are at the top.

Yeah, it might have been a bit rough, but then again why would even carelss kids and heavily medicated grown ups behave like they do here? I really don't get that anoyed, their imaturity speaks for them selves really.

BTW congrats to you with your new WC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Sep 23 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]92827[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yes well enjoy your one win, cos we all know deep down that this was not exactly a fight for the title, casey bassically rode home with it because its taken michelin so long to get there probs sorted.
it would not have been this way if michellin come into the game with good rubber so enjoy it while you can, maybe in another 10 years you will get another champ.................

i dont usually get into the man vs man thing but rossi was riding round for about 10 laps on a mashed tyre and still catching the leading pack so rossi = legend.

but still welldone to casey as i said earlier.

oh and im not bitter im just giving back what you throw at us, its quite childish really but someone has to argue back at your fake comments.

anyway i had my own championship i bought an egg cup and pretended rossi really won so.......... lolololololololol


Translation: Stoner nor Hayden won GP titles,Rossi-Yamaha-Michelin,lost them .You all talk about how ridiculous some of the Stoner fans are,yet here you are,wallowing in a complete state of denial for 2 solid years.Rossi has never lost a race in some of your eyes.Its always something or someones fault he doesnt win.You want to know a little secret,the same people and things are responsible when he wins also.

That was a nice touch on the T Shirt. Casey's a class act.
I'm a little surprised there were no Australian dirt trackers on there as well.
The Tv coverage ran commercial over when Casey stopped to get the Oz flag and Nicky stopped and gave him some words and a pat on the back. I thought it was a cool moment. I would have missed it if I didn't subscribe to the races.
I wonder if he'll sport the # 1 plate next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 24 2007, 07:51 AM) [snapback]92860[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
thats bloody great that, showed me a side of stoner i didn't no existed



ah its just his "manner of speach" etc, he's an australian farmboy ... they don't say much, its hard for them to talk publicly ... and emotions are for the chicks!!

but really ... I don't know why folk are saying this cos to me Stoner seems to be the "little buddy/brother" of lots of the riders, even Rossi, matter of fact .... ok I don't want to get too paranoid here but, when Rossi pulled into the pits the second time with "bike troubles" the thought crossed ny mind:

Rossi works with honour ...... and ........
he had already said "Stoner had the title" ...and I think he meant it!!
If I was in his head at that moment ( as he was pulling in )my first question to his brain at that time would have been "are you doing this to concrete your convinction that Stoner has the title??" ......
not saying he "pulled" the race ... its more psychological than that ... and its in the realms of a Rossi thing to do, that it was "the right thing to do at the time" ... ....... like the emotions one is surrounded in when "putting an animal out of its misery" ..... kinda thing. ........ But hey that's probabaly just me and paranoia LOL

Ducati had a far faster bike and a bike that was at least equal to the rest in handling. As a former racer and currently "vintage" racer, having the ability to gain a few hundred meters on the straight is an insurmountable advantage. Watching the Ducati pull such high speeds on the straights compared to others was quite surprising.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(montelatici @ Sep 24 2007, 01:32 PM) [snapback]92891[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
having the ability to gain a few hundred meters on the straight



Wow!! that Ducati is getting better and better 200m!!!

in 20 laps Stoner should have been lapping them!!! But I guess you are saying he is a little slow in the corners??? is that what you mean??


DENIAL

welcome noobie

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Sep 24 2007, 03:46 AM) [snapback]92886[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ah its just his "manner of speach" etc, he's an australian farmboy ... they don't say much, its hard for them to talk publicly ... and emotions are for the chicks!!

but really ... I don't know why folk are saying this cos to me Stoner seems to be the "little buddy/brother" of lots of the riders, even Rossi, matter of fact .... ok I don't want to get too paranoid here but, when Rossi pulled into the pits the second time with "bike troubles" the thought crossed ny mind:

Rossi works with honour ...... and ........
he had already said "Stoner had the title" ...and I think he meant it!!
If I was in his head at that moment ( as he was pulling in )my first question to his brain at that time would have been "are you doing this to concrete your convinction that Stoner has the title??" ......
not saying he "pulled" the race ... its more psychological than that ... and its in the realms of a Rossi thing to do, that it was "the right thing to do at the time" ... ....... like the emotions one is surrounded in when "putting an animal out of its misery" ..... kinda thing. ........ But hey that's probabaly just me and paranoia LOL

rossi would not pull in the pitts for no reason, altho unlikely at that time the wc was not imposable to get. sure it ment stoner would have to dnf at 1 or even 2 races and rossi win them all but he will fight to the bitter end. just look at last year for proof.
he made the points back from 51 behind to 5 infront. he crashed out at valencia but still rode round in last place just incase.
if rossi said his bike wouldn't steer, it wouldn't steer, end of.
love him or loath him,i cant see how anybody could think he just let it go but pulling in the pits for no good reason and if he did why did he go back out. he's a real fighter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 24 2007, 06:24 PM) [snapback]92918[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
rossi would not pull in the pitts for no reason, altho unlikely at that time the wc was not imposable to get. sure it ment stoner would have to dnf at 1 or even 2 races and rossi win them all but he will fight to the bitter end. just look at last year for proof.
he made the points back from 51 behind to 5 infront. he crashed out at valencia but still rode round in last place just incase.
if rossi said his bike wouldn't steer, it wouldn't steer, end of.
love him or loath him,i cant see how anybody could think he just let it go but pulling in the pits for no good reason and if he did why did he go back out. he's a real fighter.

Yep, I believe Rossi! He's not one to complain just for the sake of it. Even though he new it was a hopeless cause he still went back out to try and get a few points. There was still the possibility that Stoner could crash so he kept going. Just wondering what the problem was - guess we'll never hear.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Sep 24 2007, 09:31 AM) [snapback]92920[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yep, I believe Rossi! He's not one to complain just for the sake of it. Even though he new it was a hopeless cause he still went back out to try and get a few points. There was still the possibility that Stoner could crash so he kept going. Just wondering what the problem was - guess we'll never hear.

exactly mate.

during the race i thought it was a break problem, i wondered if he had a knocking pad pushing the piston back a tad ,forcing him to pump the breaks so i was surprised to hear it was a steering problem. headstock to tight mabe ? i saw the mechanics pulling at break lines .

I have no doubt that Rossi believed that he had as problem (same as Casey the previous race) that he felt warranted a return to the pits.

To me, the fact Rossi returned to the pits indicates that he felt the rpoblem was sufficiently dangerous or severe that he would not complete the race if he did not get it attended. Basically, he did was what right, safe and what any racer would have done.

It also has to be remembered that not only is he a fighter in that he will re-enter and continue after mishaps but he is still fighting for second in the championship and whilst he can't get first, he has a very proud record of seconds.






Garry