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hmmm maybe I haven't described it well enough .... yes I know Rossi would not "throw it" but .... he has already stated that they have lost the title .... that was then his mindset, and he is not the type of guy to deal in fairy tales. Therefore I was wondering, if he is the type of guy who would ride just to delay somebody else getting a title? Because by saying the title is gone ( some time ago ) means that any win over Stoner would merely have been prolonging the inevitable ..... is Rossi that kinda guy?? I know he is a fighter ( thats how you win a few LOL titles ) but then does that fight extend to what would only have been delaying Stoners win? I wondered if he had switched the fight to a fight for what maybe what he saw as morally right??

Maybe I'm just reading more into it too

But another thing I saw as odd was that he came into the pits to change bike at 9 laps to go .... the new tyres would have gotten him near to Capi's times 1:54's?? ( eventually ) Rossi was already doing 1:58 -1:59's so 9 more laps at 4-5 seconds a lap means he needed to better 36 to 45 seconds in the change .... add to that that he must have known his first few laps on cold tyres would have been slower than he was doing (2:03's maybe?) .... in effect if he had stayed out the remaining laps on the wet intermediates he could well have won ??? ( 9 laps to go and you are winning !! and you come in ???) it all just seemed too odd for me .. almost like he was fighting .... but fighting "not to win".


hahaha I think I'm starting to think motogp is a suspense thriller novel LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gaz @ Sep 24 2007, 06:46 PM) [snapback]92923[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I have no doubt that Rossi believed that he had as problem (same as Casey the previous race) that he felt warranted a return to the pits.

To me, the fact Rossi returned to the pits indicates that he felt the rpoblem was sufficiently dangerous or severe that he would not complete the race if he did not get it attended. Basically, he did was what right, safe and what any racer would have done.

It also has to be remembered that not only is he a fighter in that he will re-enter and continue after mishaps but he is still fighting for second in the championship and whilst he can't get first, he has a very proud record of seconds.
Garry


Rossi is a LEGEND!!! Full Stop and even our future LEGEND and Ducati have given him recognition in a most prestigious manner!!! He’s a great sport and a great gentleman, and I must also mention that it struck a soft spot in my heart when I saw Nicky Hayden be the first to congratulate Casey Stoner for winning the WC’p!!!

Nicky is a great bloke and was a gracious champion!!!

Even though his fashion didn’t portray so...hehehehe...only joking!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 24 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]92983[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi is a LEGEND!!! Full Stop and even our future LEGEND and Ducati have given him recognition in a most prestigious manner!!! He’s a great sport and a great gentleman, and I must also mention that it struck a soft spot in my heart when I saw Nicky Hayden be the first to congratulate Casey Stoner for winning the WC’p!!!

Nicky is a great bloke and was a gracious champion!!!

Even though his fashion didn’t portray so...hehehehe...only joking!!!

i agree, well said steve,

Congrats Stoner..

bring on 08.

Oh and how bout Guintoli!! Good freaking job man!

The wet tires were shot,he had to come in.The mistake was waiting till he did.Its no coincidence the 1st three to come in finished on the podium.I think i heard the announcer say at one point Capirossi was 6+ seconds a lap faster after he got his tires warmed up.That plus the wet tires were slowing down lap by lap,that difference would have grown to 8-9 seconds a lap.Rossi wasnt the only one that waited to long.None of the guys could ride the bike for a couple of laps after the change,they obviously arnt used to cold tires.Stoner says he had a damper problem,Rossi thought his front end was falling off,Hayden said he coudny steer his bike.The first couple of laps after the change were slower than what they were running with wets,but after they got some heat,the lap times the guys that came in first forced everyone to do the same..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Sep 24 2007, 02:56 PM) [snapback]92998[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The wet tires were shot,he had to come in.The mistake was waiting till he did.Its no coincidence the 1st three to come in finished on the podium.I think i heard the announcer say at one point Capirossi was 6+ seconds a lap faster after he got his tires warmed up.That plus the wet tires were slowing down lap by lap,that difference would have grown to 8-9 seconds a lap.Rossi wasnt the only one that waited to long.None of the guys could ride the bike for a couple of laps after the change,they obviously arnt used to cold tires.Stoner says he had a damper problem,Rossi thought his front end was falling off,Hayden said he coudny steer his bike.The first couple of laps after the change were slower than what they were running with wets,but after they got some heat,the lap times the guys that came in first forced everyone to do the same..

i must admit, i was surprised they waited that long to change bikes once a dry line appeared.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Sep 23 2007, 06:25 PM) [snapback]92749[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he'd just gone past the entrance to the pits when he crashed? He was on the exit of the last corner.


You were right. Dani said in an interview he should have entered the pit earlier so i just assume he's gonna enter after that lap, unfortunately he crashed. Hopefully he'll have a speedy recovery, in time to race at PI.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gaz @ Sep 24 2007, 06:46 PM) [snapback]92923[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I have no doubt that Rossi believed that he had as problem (same as Casey the previous race) that he felt warranted a return to the pits.

To me, the fact Rossi returned to the pits indicates that he felt the rpoblem was sufficiently dangerous or severe that he would not complete the race if he did not get it attended. Basically, he did was what right, safe and what any racer would have done.

It also has to be remembered that not only is he a fighter in that he will re-enter and continue after mishaps but he is still fighting for second in the championship and whilst he can't get first, he has a very proud record of seconds.
Garry

rossi has admitted it was just cold tires.

a rider of his experience should of recognised this and been able to ride around it.

Yeah, as I watched Pedrosa going lap after lap and the tarmac getting drier and drier, I got progressively stressed, wondering when the little pendaho was going to pull in and make a switch. Seems like his narrowly focused little brain could only concentrate on HIS LEAD and was unable to come to grips with the inevitability of his tires disintegrating. Not the best analogy - but he really did remind me of a dog chasing his own tail (with blinders on). He's not a "thinker". No strategy. Too busy trying to impress Honda. Too bad for him; if he'd come in 6 laps before, he'd probably have won the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 25 2007, 12:08 PM) [snapback]93076[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
rossi has admitted it was just cold tires.

a rider of his experience should of recognised this and been able to ride around it.

link please

He's quoted as saying it on motogp.com in the 2008 prototype test news item.

Oops

I watched the gp again last night & one thing that I never noticed on raceday was that the tyre warmers on Rossi's #2 bike were off at the start of his pit in lap, that's two minutes with heat loss & the reason why he felt there was something badly wrong. A tyre that cold would be under pressure & very slippery, no rider would expect his team to put him out on such a set up & I think he was right to come in & have it checked.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Sep 24 2007, 02:09 PM) [snapback]92986[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Oh and how bout Guintoli!! Good freaking job man!


don't forget about De Puniet

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rossi @ Sep 24 2007, 17:00 PM) [snapback]93091[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>"It seems that the problem was the temperature; when I re-entered the track after the change the pit-lane was still wet and the temperature of the front tyre dropped drastically," said Rossi who, fearing a technical problem, pitted again at the end of that lap. "That's why Colin and I could not ride the bike in the very first laps; we both had the same problem. Now we go to Australia and I am confident we will be competitive there and that we can finish the championship in the best possible way."


Surely the pitlane was wet for everyone, but then I noticed as well how early the tyre warmers came off at Yamaha. There was obviously some kind of temp related problem.

Very exciting race. Lots of drama.

Congrats to Stone, New World Champion 07!

I think the big winner of the race was Sylvain Guintoli. I was hoping for him in the final two laps to get on the podium. Wow, he almost had a podium on Dunglobs, but Elias was not gonna allow that to happen.

This race came down to a team strategy, and Capirossi’s team won that battle. Great for him.

Well I’m not so sure we will be seeing DePuniet on the podium again any time soon, but it was fun to see his race finish celebration, one might have thought he had just won the race. Yet, so as not to disappoint, he did take a brief excursion into the gravel momentarily in the race.

Rossi and his team deserved to loose based on their two major mistakes. He made a valiant bid for the lead but then pissed away his opportunity by not coming in and changing bikes earlier. Then he goes out on cold tires and mistakes this as a mechanical problem when Guintoli out broke him.

Pedrosa, what a dumb mistake. I’m sure Puig blames somebody other than where the blame belongs for not flagging his rider, or his rider not having the presence of mind, to come in and switch bikes.

Oh, and West. Too bad for him. Even though he would not have finished in the top ten anyway, but I’m sure it caused lots of consternation. To his credit, I think they left the lights on too long but then again, nobody else jumped the start. I wish he would have been patient.

Speaking of rain specialist, what happened to the rain master Vermulen? The Japanese rider was making both Suzuki regulars look silly.

Hayden was the top Michelin finisher, but I can’t really say I was impressed. It seems like he couldn’t get a handle on this race. At least he finished it. Nice to see him come over and congradulate the new World Champ.

Final Notes:

Much of this and other recent threads can be summarized as follows:

Some Stoner fans: Stoner is God.
Some Rossi fans: No Rossi is God and Aussie’s are jerks.
Mods: No cussing/insults play nice.

Some Stoner fans: Rossi sucks.
Some Rossi fans: Stoner sucks/lucky
Mods: No cussing/insults play nice


I guess that's what happens when you don't have an age and IQ requirement.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Sep 25 2007, 06:41 PM) [snapback]93102[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

I think the big winner of the race was Sylvain Guintoli. I was hoping for him in the final two laps to get on the podium. Wow, he almost had a podium on Dunglobs,

This race came down to a team strategy, and Capirossi’s team won that battle. Great for him.

Rossi and his team deserved to loose based on their two major mistakes. He made a valiant bid for the lead but then pissed away his opportunity by not coming in and changing bikes earlier.

Oh, and West. Too bad for him. Even though he would not have finished in the top ten anyway, but I’m sure it caused lots of consternation. To his credit,

Speaking of rain specialist, what happened to the rain master Vermulen? The Japanese rider was making both Suzuki regulars look silly.

Nice to see him come over and congradulate the new World Champ.

Final Notes:

Much of this and other recent threads can be summarized as follows:

Some Stoner fans: Stoner is God.
Some Rossi fans: Aussie’s are jerks.
Mods: No cussing/insults play nice. except frosty, what a top geezer


i agree with all of this, but the rest of your post was total bollock's as usual