Misano Race

It seems like we just watched this race earlier this season.



BTW to throw a little gas on the French Fire, anyone catch Hoppers comments on RdP?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dion @ Sep 2 2007, 05:22 PM) [snapback]88358[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I then went for a shower, and cryed like Jim Carey in Pet Detective !




excellent!!!

Stoner may not be a great rider (yet) but he is easily the best rider in the world right now, so we can't complain too much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dion @ Sep 3 2007, 02:22 AM) [snapback]88358[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Great respect for Stoner, but he aint a great rider, ...


8 races in a season so far .... and you still think " he ain't a great rider" ...... why Casey??? I don't get all this denial stuff??? in any year in the past if a rider had won 8 races ... they would have been great riders

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Sep 2 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]88366[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
8 races in a season so far .... and you still think " he ain't a great rider" ...... why Casey??? I don't get all this denial stuff??? in any year in the past if a rider had won 8 races ... they would have been great riders


I agree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Sep 2 2007, 05:32 PM) [snapback]88366[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
8 races in a season so far .... and you still think " he ain't a great rider" ...... why Casey??? I don't get all this denial stuff??? in any year in the past if a rider had won 8 races ... they would have been great riders


Actually i have alot of respect for Ducati, Ducati have won 8 races this season so fair play to them. Great team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Sep 2 2007, 05:35 PM) [snapback]88369[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Actually i have alot of respect for Ducati, Ducati have won 8 races this season so fair play to them. Great team.


Yes their autopilot system is pretty good now isn't it. Thats why their bikes finished 1st - 4th in every race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Sep 3 2007, 02:35 AM) [snapback]88369[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Actually i have alot of respect for Ducati, Ducati have won 8 races this season so fair play to them. Great team.


My guess is Stoner stole your girlfriend!!???

What is all this rubbish about Stoner not being a great rider? I decided to stop liking casey when he switched to ducati but i would definitely say he is a great rider!

Last season i understood why some people said Hayden is not a great rider - he only won a few races - but what Stoner has done this year is unprecedented! He is unquestionably a great rider and deserves to be would champion 2007.

That race wasn't a good show of what GP can be (unlike the 125s/250s) so the question is what has ...

... changed to cause this more f1 style of race?!

Today's race was also a realisation that 2008 starts now. Most rides are sorted and the task is to catch up Stoner and his team.

I don't agree tyres had much significance today. The michelins' demise was engine failure and the most entertaining (sadly) incident of the race in a flying frog.

Best rides of today (ignoring Stoner) were , Melandri and elias.

Hopefully a Suzuki will finish in the top three of the championships!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Sep 2 2007, 09:07 AM) [snapback]88344[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
they wouldn't be able to make a desmo style valve anytime soon, its old anyway and Pneumatic valves are the way forward. The Reason Ducati are so good with it is they have years and years of experience and get the most out of it.




Considering that pneumatic valves requires you to have an independently functioning scuba system on board, how on earth can you draw that conclusion.

Manufacturers don't use desmo in their production bikes (other than Duc) because the adjustments are expensive and the system is somewhat unreliable. It never found its way to motogp with other manufacturers b/c they never played around with it and they know it won't trickle down to production.

They don't use desmo in formula 1 because you can't shim up 40 valves cost effectively and get them working in perfect conjunction.

Desmo is at home in small displacement engines with few cylinders. Isn't that what we have now?

Ducati have patents in place that make Desmo valves essentially out of the question for other manufacturers. Pneumatics are the way forward.

Hi all

Decided to stop sitting on the sidelines and post for a change

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> That race wasn't a good show of what GP can be (unlike the 125s/250s) so the question is what has changed to cause this more f1 style of race?!

What I think has changed the spectacle most is the traction control. It won't allow the riders to do what they have always done, which is to ride around a bike issue. If the calibrator has set the TC to allow/disallow a particular behaviour then it will override the riders input. This means that riders who have always had a fine throttle control are being overriden by the guys who set up the ECU. It's happened in F1 already and they've finally figured out that it makes for poor racing. Unfortunately for bike racing, we've been used to it being 80% rider and 20% bike which has produced such good racing in the past.

Look at the Melandri crash in FP yesterday. The TC is great on the black stuff, and even onto the dirt, but touch a bit of soggy astroturf and it all goes to sht. I realise that wet astroturf was never the riders' best friend, but now that TC sorts out so many issues for you it's easier to start to believe that it'll sort them all out.

BTW, although I'm a Rossi fan, and have been since he started in 125s, I'm a racing fan first and foremost. I remember riding to Donnington every Easter in the eighties for the Transatlantics and never taking my lid off 'cos it used to rain all day!! I think Stoner has ridden flawlessly regardless of bike/tyre/whatever advantages and deserves this years Championship completely.

Fking ....!!!!
(that's for Nicky's bad luck)

And because of Rossi's bad luck now I have one really angry man to live with, who's now completely convinced in conspiracy theory.

another blinder by Casey - he's un-stoppable.

Is anything going to go right for Rossi ?????? I'm surprisingly dissapointed for Nicky and Dani but............. that's racing.

125 & 250s were well worth watching.

But 800s, yawn may aswell just record one race & watch it for the rest of the season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Sep 2 2007, 02:28 PM) [snapback]88279[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
...particularly Nicky. I had a gut feeling he would place on the podium, damn shame.

'Would'...hmmmm that sounds like what Rossi fans say about last season

Nicky got a bad start and ended up mid pack so he was exactly where you never want to be in GPs. Besides his race pace was slow before the race and during the race it was in 1:37s so Hopper, Vermeulen, Melandri, Capirossi, and probably Checa, Elias and West could have passed Nicky anyway given their pace was in the 1:35s and 1:36s. Okay maybe Nicky was demoralized after following the crash into the gravel, but that is not champion behavior!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pirkkalan GP @ Sep 2 2007, 06:25 PM) [snapback]88375[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Last season i understood why some people said Hayden is not a great rider - he only won a few races - but what Stoner has done this year is unprecedented! He is unquestionably a great rider and deserves to be would champion 2007.


Stoner is on pace to tie Rossi and Doohan, and probably beat them. He is showing that whole package counts and he has it. It is not down to the Ducati or the Tyre alone, just look at his Teammate's performance to konw it takes the Rider as well to make it all work.

BTW - Casey has now beaten the total number of Capirossi's big class wins ever and gotten more wins for Ducati than they have in their modern history with Loris or Troy.
Casey is great and history will remember 2007 and his run and dominance in the title hunt!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Sep 2 2007, 05:32 PM) [snapback]88366[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
8 races in a season so far .... and you still think " he ain't a great rider" ...... why Casey??? I don't get all this denial stuff??? in any year in the past if a rider had won 8 races ... they would have been great riders


Yes thats right ! Casey Stoner is not a great rider !
You watch on board anyone who is following him, and just watch the way he gaps them coming out of a corner or on a straight.
It all down to the power, I admit he can put it down, but still power. As for Loris i have no answer ? Kids maybe ? His big crashes in recent years ?

People listen to me! My friend once tried to tap Casey on the shoulder for an autograph and you would'nt believe what happened,

HIS HAND WENT STRAIGHT THROUGH! Casey Stoner is a HOLAGRAM

The bike rides itself!

C'mon people you dont win 8 races and be quickest in all sessions without being great, He's more than good, he's phenominal.

P.S Would Casey be the youngest world champ ever if when he wins the title?

ok, today is officially the worst weekend EVER. i am more pissed off than estoril last year... and believe me that takes some beating.

250's:

i want Bautista to win, all goes well 'til he chucks it up the road

so, choice number 2, Dovi, erm no... his bike decides to die on him

Kallio?... also throws it into the scenery in spectacular style



MotoGP:

Pedrosa... cant even get round the first behind because of a certain frenchman that likes eating gravel more than seeing the finish line

Hayden... the flying french man (quite literally) also decides to make life awkward for him too by making him go the car park route

Rossi... the only time i want him to win because he's at home and what with all the tax stuff going on it would be nice to see him smile again... no such luck




my only consolation is that Pasini won the 125 race, and even then the spaniard i wanted to come second ended up in the gravel!


i only hope portugal is better than last year........

Nicky got a bad start and ended up mid pack so he was exactly where you never want to be in GPs. Besides his race pace was slow before the race and during the race it was in 1:37s so Hopper, Vermeulen, Melandri, Capirossi, and probably Checa, Elias and West could have passed Nicky anyway given their pace was in the 1:35s and 1:36s. Okay maybe Nicky was demoralized after following the crash into the gravel, but that is not champion behavior!

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From Julian Ryder's notes post race I think Nicky had a few more problems than being demoralised :
"Both Repsol Honda riders' races were effectively over even earlier. Randy
De Puniet threw his Kawasaki up the inside of the pack at turn two, skittling Pedrosa and sending Nicky Hayden on wild ride through the gravel. Nicky had, in his own words, blown his front row start then "It was all I could do not to run over De Puniet's head."

The excursion through the gravel or the curb took a lump out of Nicky's rear tyre so even though he got back in the race all he could do was tour round and pick up a few points."

[/quote]P.S Would Casey be the youngest world champ ever if when he wins the title?[/quote]

Nope. That's still Freddie Spencer who was born 20th Dec 1961 and won the 1983 season. Stoner was born 16th Oct 1985.

stop_killing_dead_things, I would be more than happy for Portugal to be just like last year!