Misano * RACE* thread

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Sep 7 2009, 05:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I love all you ........ who like to use the term racing incident when the only cocksuckers who
are taking people out are the .... stain, back of the pack soon to be unemployed losers who have never won ..... When is the last time you have seen Rossi, Lorenzo, <strike>Pedrosa</strike> Stoner, Melandri,
Hayden,CV, CE, CapX and Tosser do this. What do all of these dudes have in common.THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD SUCCESS.THEY KNOW HOW TO RIDE WITHOUT TAKING OTHERS OUT.
but none of those are rookies .......

 

[Motrix]

[quote name='Babelfish' date='Sep 6 2009, 08:50 PM' post='208627']
I think he has a point. If Lorenzo could have passed Pedrosa and followed Rossi's rear wheel the race might have been different. 1.47s is just too much to be in contact with the rider in front.

Unless your name is Valentino Rossi...

Since 96' the boy has been killing it...backof the pack or not...does not matter...

G.O.A.T.

 

[Helix]

Well done to Rossi, a bit of a shame that Lorenzo couldn't make it more of a race though, it was a bit boring after the first few laps.
I was furious about deAngelis taking out Edwards & Hayden, I was pretty surprised to see Nicky's reaction, but totally understandable, shows how passionate he was about the race.
deAngelis also ...... up Randy's race, okay he stayed on & managed to make up a few places to salvage what he could but that's small consolation for my two fave riders to be effectively out of it at turn one.

and deAngelis is in his second year, so he's no rookie, he ought to have learned a bit by now.

 

[teomolca]

Pretty boring race after positions where stable. Rossi was always in control once ahead, keeping Lorenzo at bay, Lorenzo himself was more cautious than usual and seemed happy with 2nd which is weird cause he basically say bye bye to his title chances with that place. So congrats to Rossi, world champion again.

Honourable mentions to Capi, great effort at home track with the Suzuki, Elías best satellite bike once again proving he deserves to stay in MotoGP and Espargaró, 2nd race on the Duke, already beating his teammate by a mile.

I'll cut some slack to De Angelis, yeah he made a mistake, knocked 2 riders out (almost 3) but AFAIK this is the first time he does it, the guy is fighting for a job and he's in his home GP.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Sep 7 2009, 05:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I love all you ........ who like to use the term racing incident when the only cocksuckers who
are taking people out are the .... stain, back of the pack soon to be unemployed losers who have never won ..... When is the last time you have seen Rossi, Lorenzo, <strike>Pedrosa</strike> Stoner, Melandri,
Hayden,CV, CE, CapX and Tosser do this. What do all of these dudes have in common.THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD SUCCESS.THEY KNOW HOW TO RIDE WITHOUT TAKING OTHERS OUT.

Capirossi???

I think a certain Tetsuya Harada may beg to differ. Do your homework Johnny for Christ sake

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 7 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Capirossi???

I think a certain Tetsuya Harada may beg to differ. Do your homework Johnny for Christ sake

i think that pass or lack off will go down as one of the most reckless in racing history. Ended up in court if i remember correctly.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 7 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think that pass or lack off will go down as one of the most reckless in racing history. Ended up in court if i remember correctly.

Granted, Johnny did say 'lately' - but Knockdown, you come across as more of a 'Johnny Come Lately' to this sport yourself, by mentioning Capirossi as someone who knows how to ride without taking others out

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 7 2009, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Granted, Johnny did say 'lately' - but Knockdown, you come across as more of a 'Johnny Come Lately' to this sport yourself, by mentioning Capirossi as someone who knows how to ride without taking others out

But johnny also forgot about the time colin edwards took several out on the start when his launch control failed. Remind someone what race that was ??

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 7 2009, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like i said, I'm not totally convinced that this was De Angelis's fault. Watch it again - he runs into Jorge, who appears to be standing still, although I'm not ruling out the fact he was in too hot.
Sorry, watched this again. I'm mistaken. Jorge certainly had parked it, and really didn't look fast through the turn, but it was Colin who had to back off the throttle because of this. As a consequence, DeAngelis who was arriving faster, had nowhere to go. Watch it - you can visibly see Edwards slow because of Jorge. alex De angelis who was vying with Nicky, was in the wrong place, and at very worse if we are to apportion blame, didn't react quickly enough. Unfortunately, once again, Nicky was entirely in the wrong place at the wrong time and I can understand why he was so incensed with De Angelis. (WTF was that Ducati doing on medium tyres? - what was Kalio out on? I would have been really intrigued to see whether these would have gone the distance. From memory, Misano eats rubber. I've no doubt that Nicky would've been very very quick on those opening laps, and was mindful of making a break and staying in contention early on. Perhaps that's why he was so uncharacteristically angry).


These maneuvers are only really questionable IMO when the rider has no chance of making the turn or keeping it rubberside down- ie Takahashi at Motegi - otherwise, in general, it's racing. In a few weeks time, someone else will be the new villain.

De Angelis throughout his career schooled on the strokers, has raced hard, (he was part of the legendary class of '05, that was bought in by race direction an told to calm it down), but more often than not, has wound up himself the victim of others recklessness. Anyone remember Pogialli ramming him off at Jerez (I think) in the 125 class? Just tried to find this on You Tube, and I can't.

 

[Keshav]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Sep 6 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol @ Hayden fanboys (jumkie)

DeAngelis would've licked his ...

Fixed it for yah.

 

[bonnielass]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 7 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, watched this again. I'm mistaken. Jorge certainly had parked it, and really didn't look fast through the turn, but it was Colin who had to back off the throttle because of this. As a consequence, DeAngelis who was arriving faster, had nowhere to go. Watch it - you can visibly see Edwards slow because of Jorge. alex De angelis who was vying with Nicky, was in the wrong place, and at very worse if we are to apportion blame, didn't react quickly enough. Unfortunately, once again, Nicky was entirely in the wrong place at the wrong time and I can understand why he was so incensed with De Angelis. (WTF was that Ducati doing on medium tyres? - what was Kalio out on? I would have been really intrigued to see whether these would have gone the distance. From memory, Misano eats rubber. I've no doubt that Nicky would've been very very quick on those opening laps, and was mindful of making a break and staying in contention early on. Perhaps that's why he was so uncharacteristically angry).


These maneuvers are only really questionable IMO when the rider has no chance of making the turn or keeping it rubberside down- ie Takahashi at Motegi - otherwise, in general, it's racing. In a few weeks time, someone else will be the new villain.

De Angelis throughout his career schooled on the strokers, has raced hard, (he was part of the legendary class of '05, that was bought in by race direction an told to calm it down), but more often than not, has wound up himself the victim of others recklessness. Anyone remember Pogialli ramming him off at Jerez (I think) in the 125 class? Just tried to find this on You Tube, and I can't.


Yep, we watched it again this morning at work, in slow mo', that was Lorenzos fault! He went charging in, then backed right off, perhaps he was going for the same line as Rossi, but that caused Colin to pull up and DeA had no where to go, it was unfortunate that Nicky also got taken down.

 

[VHMP01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mastodon @ Sep 6 2009, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the reason Lorenzo slowed going into the turn was because he was doing this thing called "braking" that you are supposed to do when entering a turn, something that de Angelis seems to be missing from his racecraft. this may be why he is getting shitcanned.

Looking very closely and pausing, it does seem that Edwards, Hayden and of course De Angelis catch up with Lorenzo way too much and too quickly! That kind of brought up a bit of Lorenzo's fault reasoning in me too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Sep 6 2009, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if you are starting from the rear of the field these things tend to happen, thats why qualify on the front row and u would tend to avoid the chaos, prob why rossi, horhey stoner havent been caught up in the first lap accident

I basically agree here!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 7 2009, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but none of those are rookies .......

And I agree here completely

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Sep 7 2009, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and deAngelis is in his second year, so he's no rookie, he ought to have learned a bit by now.

Hasn't it happen to experienced riders none Rookies too? Gibernau taking down Capirossi badly with his brake lever touching Capirossi's bike and catapulting them into space as I recall… And many other examples as mentioned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 7 2009, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, watched this again. I'm mistaken. Jorge certainly had parked it, and really didn't look fast through the turn, but it was Colin who had to back off the throttle because of this. As a consequence, DeAngelis who was arriving faster, had nowhere to go. Watch it - you can visibly see Edwards slow because of Jorge. alex De angelis who was vying with Nicky, was in the wrong place, and at very worse if we are to apportion blame, didn't react quickly enough. Unfortunately, once again, Nicky was entirely in the wrong place at the wrong time and I can understand why he was so incensed with De Angelis. (WTF was that Ducati doing on medium tyres? - what was Kalio out on? I would have been really intrigued to see whether these would have gone the distance. From memory, Misano eats rubber. I've no doubt that Nicky would've been very very quick on those opening laps, and was mindful of making a break and staying in contention early on. Perhaps that's why he was so uncharacteristically angry).

In addition to 'parking it', seems to be reversing to get parked in that tight spot! To be serious, Lorenzo was way open before the turn, and 'Por Fuera' cut in from the outside, this plus 'parking it' did not leave much space for Edwards, less of it for Hayden, and of course none of it for De Angelis.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Sep 7 2009, 07:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, we watched it again this morning at work, in slow mo', that was Lorenzos fault! He went charging in, then backed right off, perhaps he was going for the same line as Rossi, but that caused Colin to pull up and DeA had no where to go, it was unfortunate that Nicky also got taken down.

I watched it several times too, so I must agree with you bonnie!

 

[Wander]

I only saw the crash once in slow motion, but I agree that you shouldn't put all blame on De Angelis although he might have been slightly too fast in..

Anyone have a video of it anywhere?


Otherwise, a bit boring race, but atleast Kallio was 7th so I'm happy enough.

 

[Thom_1991]

if you are starting from the rear of the field these things tend to happen, thats why qualify on the front row and u would tend to avoid the chaos, prob why rossi, horhey stoner havent been caught up in the first lap accident

p.s it seems to get alot more attention when an american is invovled. esp u know who..... coz he always goes ape when it happens
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Clearly you didnt see just how close Horhey was to been taken out .

 

[sinner]

well here is video of the crash from a couple angles and a lucky fan was right up on it got hayden flipping out.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgRQP7zrQH4 <----the flip out



I agree that was JLO!

wow, as soon as i put up the second video of the angles of the crash it gets taken down by the user, could it be dorna again?

 

[CaramaC]

Quite funny when you take into account yesterdays incident.

Is he in there for his own safety or the safety of others.

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Sep 7 2009, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, we watched it again this morning at work, in slow mo', that was Lorenzos fault! He went charging in, then backed right off, perhaps he was going for the same line as Rossi, but that caused Colin to pull up and DeA had no where to go, it was unfortunate that Nicky also got taken down.

Please

How can it be Jorge's fault when the two riders directly behind him slowed and adjusted their lines? How can it be Lorenzo's fault when DeAngelis is charging quixotically up the inside under the false pretense that his extraordinary skill is causing him to gain ground on Colin and Nicky?

Jorge is to blame? For what? For exercising discretion by slotting in behind his teammate and refusing to pull por fuera on his teammate during the first lap?

DeAngelis is absolutely at fault. Furthermore, DeAngelis was a ....... yesterday, no, he was a triple ....... yesterday. He 1) crashed and scored 0 points 2) failed to finish in his home grand prix and 3) he managed to take out both of the manufacturers from whom he's currently seeking employment for 2010.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 7 2009, 06:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Granted, Johnny did say 'lately' - but Knockdown, you come across as more of a 'Johnny Come Lately' to this sport yourself, by mentioning Capirossi as someone who knows how to ride without taking others out

.... arabb. You don't have to get all historical and factual with me. That' a low blow.

I've been watching since the 990 era started and my point was that the guys that usually
do these sort of things are typically satellite riders that have never really done much in
the past and don't stick around too long. If you look at the guys I mentioned, they raced at
a very high level before they entered motogp and they never made boneheaded moves
when they were rookies.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Sep 7 2009, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... arabb. You don't have to get all historical and factual with me. That' a low blow.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaramaC @ Sep 7 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Quite funny when you take into account yesterdays incident.

Is he in there for his own safety or the safety of others.