::LAGUNA RACE 09::

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 6 2009, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Guys Guys Guys ..... calm down .... its Rog.! remember.

Sure Pinky tries hard to wind folk up ...... Rog. can't help it, he seems to actually believe or "dream" half the stuff he comes up with, and he does it as naturally as breathing ....

But yes ........ Stoner & Ducati is in question ....... but not as Rog. suggests


No news on Pedro yet ( and he pulled out a blaster today ) .......... no news from Stoner yet ....... no news from Honda? ....... no news from Stoners dad? ............ lot of stuff not going on in the background there.

And I don't think Stoner will push for more money from DUC. .... as much as we see, most of the other riders avoiding Duc. like the plague, Stoner is pushing the thing ..... and at great physical cost ......... lots of room for speculation in all that thats for sure, but nothing is more stupid than a statement that Ducati "want" or even can afford to lose Stoner ........ if it was not for Stoner, now and since 07 ....... where would they be? What did folk think of Duc. pre-Stoner?

No Rog. needs to get more oxygen whilst he is sleeping!
Im not suggesting they will get rid of him now geez you should read then think about whats been said before getting all hot under the collar.

At the moment stoner is the only rider able to perform on the duc, something ducati are not used to and something they dont like. As i said, ducati have always had a revolving door when it comes to top riders.
Ducati like there pound of flesh from there employees with all the pr engagements ect,One of the reasons rossi turned them down and went to yamaha. But if stoner is going to slip further back the field due to illness ,arm pump,old wrist injury's ect and there bike under hayden becomes more user friendly stoner may find he is no longer the hot commodity he once was. It not as if stoner wins many popularity contests for ducati's image.
Ducati may find they are back in the position they were used to with a que of top riders waiting in line. Marco used to ride this bike dead last, hayden rode a 5th this week and apart from his last lap mistake showed us the bike improvement at assen.

I was expecting a fairly boring processional race with Stoner & lorenzo being injured, but I'm glad I was wrong, Lorenzo was incredible, when he slipped back at the beginning I thought he'd carry on going backwards, taking a few points if he could, it was great to see him clawing his way back up & challenging Rossi, can't believe he saved it, how much must that have hurt his arm?
Rossi was sensible settling for second, seeing as Pedro is no real threat for the championship, but my hubby (a real Rossi fan) commented that a few years ago Rossi would have gone for it, and used Pedro as a buffer to keep him on track.
I hate to say it, but it was good to see Pedrosa being competitive again, the more riders fighting up front the better the racing, it's a shame Dovi crashed, I think he could have been trouble for Stoner.
How good was it to see Nicky smiling again? After two good results I am daring to hope that he's really found something, if it continues, maybe even a podium towards the end of the season, Indy or Phillip Island?
I was disappointed about Vermuelen, hoped he's do better, and what was Toseland doing? BBC commentators said the pit boards can be difficult to see at Laguna, but surely he couldn't miss it entirely, as someone said earlier this could cost him his job, unless he really starts to get results, & not just the odd sixth place.

I loved the pass Rossi made on Stoner going into the corkscrew and thought he would stalk Pedrosa for a while, but then he went backwards after the last corner when Stoner came back at him. It's a shame the bike wasn't quite how he wanted it so he could have pushed harder in the first half of the race.

It must be tough for other riders when Rossi can still finish second when things aren't working how he would like.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Jul 6 2009, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I loved the pass Rossi made on Stoner going into the corkscrew and thought he would stalk Pedrosa for a while, but then he went backwards after the last corner when Stoner came back at him. It's a shame the bike wasn't quite how he wanted it so he could have pushed harder in the first half of the race.

It must be tough for other riders when Rossi can still finish second when things aren't working how he would like.
Sounds like somethign a stoner fan would say about stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 6 2009, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sounds like somethign a stoner fan would say about stoner.

Yes thank you, I know, Stoner is the guy to beat thanks for affirming that

Sook sook sook, Stoner did this Stoner did that .... waaah waah waaaaaah.


I think you need to OD on concrete pills buttercup

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 6 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes thank you, I know, Stoner is the guy to beat thanks for affirming that

Sook sook sook, Stoner did this Stoner did that .... waaah waah waaaaaah.


I think you need to OD on concrete pills buttercup
Not since mugello he aint ! sound like its you that is "sooking" .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 6 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes thank you, I know, Stoner is the guy to beat thanks for affirming that

Sook sook sook, Stoner did this Stoner did that .... waaah waah waaaaaah.


I think you need to OD on concrete pills buttercup


I meant about the bike not been write oh thats why he's second. He's second cos pedrosa was the man to beat.

Not stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 6 2009, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I meant about the bike not been write oh thats why he's second. He's second cos pedrosa was the man to beat.

Not stoner.

I don't get it Rick, 'The Man to Beat' sounds to me a bit of a future tense (In grammar, the future tense is a verb form that marks the event described by the verb as not having happened yet)…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_tense

Nobody expected Pedrosa to win , he did not make Pole or even first row, nor the best FPs laps times, and most commentators said Pedrosa was a surprise win… In the strict sense of the word, Pedrosa was Not 'The Man to Beat'. Due to events, Rossi was 'The Man to Beat' at Laguna, and as much as it hurts me, that task was achieved by Pedrosa.

Championship standings and sticking to the meaning, Pedrosa in Not 'The Man to Beat'. I like the sound of this… Rossi is 'The Man to Beat'.

Champions alike and sticking to the meaning, Pedrosa in Not 'The Man to Beat'. I double like the sound of this… Rossi is 'The Man to Beat'.

Rossi was sandbagging

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im not suggesting they will get rid of him now geez you should read then think about whats been said before getting all hot under the collar.

At the moment stoner is the only rider able to perform on the duc, something ducati are not used to and something they dont like. As i said, ducati have always had a revolving door when it comes to top riders.
Ducati like there pound of flesh from there employees with all the pr engagements ect,One of the reasons rossi turned them down and went to yamaha. But if stoner is going to slip further back the field due to illness ,arm pump,old wrist injury's ect and there bike under hayden becomes more user friendly stoner may find he is no longer the hot commodity he once was. It not as if stoner wins many popularity contests for ducati's image.
Ducati may find they are back in the position they were used to with a que of top riders waiting in line. Marco used to ride this bike dead last, hayden rode a 5th this week and apart from his last lap mistake showed us the bike improvement at assen.

Year Points Position / Average
2008 0 16
2008 0 16
2008 0 16
2008 3 13
2008 0 19
2008 7 9
2008 9 7
2008 0 16
2008 0 Not Classified
2008 3 13
2008 0 16
2008 5 11
2008 0 Not Classified
2008 1 15
2008 11 5
2008 3 13
2008 4 12
2008 5 11
Melandri 51 2.83

Year Points Position / Average
2009 11 5
2009 8 8
2009 6 10
2009 4 12
2009 4 12
2009 1 15
2009 0 Not finished first lap
2009 4 12
Hayden 38 4.75

Hayden has imrpoved Melandri's performance in Points per Race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 6 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't get it Rick, 'The Man to Beat' sounds to me a bit of a future tense (In grammar, the future tense is a verb form that marks the event described by the verb as not having happened yet)…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_tense

Nobody expected Pedrosa to win , he did not make Pole or even first row, nor the best FPs laps times, and most commentators said Pedrosa was a surprise win… In the strict sense of the word, Pedrosa was Not 'The Man to Beat'. Due to events, Rossi was 'The Man to Beat' at Laguna, and as much as it hurts me, that task was achieved by Pedrosa.

Championship standings and sticking to the meaning, Pedrosa in Not 'The Man to Beat'. I like the sound of this… Rossi is 'The Man to Beat'.

Champions alike and sticking to the meaning, Pedrosa in Not 'The Man to Beat'. I double like the sound of this… Rossi is 'The Man to Beat'.


So pedantic.

Your last two paragraphs made no sense.

Pedrosa was the man who needed beating at laguna seca.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Jul 6 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It must be tough for other riders when Rossi can still finish second when things aren't working how he would like.
always an excuse when rossi gets beat

he can't just say he got beaten by the better rider today

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 6 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>always an excuse when rossi gets beat

he can't just say he got beaten by the better rider today

"Rossi got beat by the better rider <u>today</u>"

better?

pedrosa, jl99 and stoner rode much betten than rossi yesterday.
he profited from stoner and lorenzo saturday crashes + casey illness and even lost by pedrosa who is also below required fitness level.

Okay before this weekend and I watch Moaners interview on motogp, I thought there was no way he would be leaving ducati. But now I can see it happening. At the end of the interview he starts talking about Nicky's results of late. It starts with a lot of praise to the team and the new electronics, rider position, etc. But he ends it with but since then(catalunya) I haven't been able to get the results. Is this maybe a shift in ducati's priorities? The new bike seems to be helping killio and hayden, and obviously not stacy. Why would they do that unless he gave them the big .... you all ready? I mean they obviously want all there riders to succeed, but at the expense of their number 1 rider? I don't think so. So maybe its Casey that is feed up with ducati. Just because he is the only one who can ride that bike doesn't mean he wants to. Hayden and Killio next year, I can see it already.

Wow, I can't believe everyone is throwing Stoner under the bus. Come on guys the season's not near over. I think Ducati are doing what they can to make their bike more rideable, it's a work in progress. Lets not forget that a sick Stoner still finished soundly ahead of Hayden. Hayden and his crew seem to be making steps on their bike and Kallio is obviously getting along better with the bike, but to think Ducati are writing Stoner off is a bit of a reach.
After the break, hopefully a recharged Stoner will be ready to take the fight to the Yamaha boys again. Throw HRC into the battle and remaining part of the season looks to really heat up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtoric @ Jul 6 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pedrosa, jl99 and stoner rode much betten than rossi yesterday.
he profited from stoner and lorenzo saturday crashes + casey illness and even lost by pedrosa who is also below required fitness level.

yeah, true. so, what do you want him to do? feel pity or something, slow down, crash..? he came second and further increased his lead in the championship, from all these guys that rode better than him.

Something I wondered about whilst watching Laguna ........ pedrosa seemed the only one riding with nothing to lose. Just wondering if this "tight championship" is making it a tad too "careful" for the top 3 involved.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 6 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Something I wondered about whilst watching Laguna ........ pedrosa seemed the only one riding with nothing to lose. Just wondering if this "tight championship" is making it a tad too "careful" for the top 3 involved.
i wouldn't be so sure about that. HRC must be getting a tad pissed off with the midget and his puppet master. They have pumped some serious cash in that direction and have yet to see any return. Pedro is riding for his job me thinks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Jul 6 2009, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden and his crew seem to be making steps on their bike and Kallio is obviously getting along better with the bike, but to think Ducati are writing Stoner off is a bit of a reach.

But is it to hard to believe that Casey is done with ducati? Lets face it he could go anywere he wanted to, besides maybe fiat yama. He doesnt seem happy there and ducati doesn't want an unhappy rider anyway. Thats a honda thing.

O and L8Braker thanks for showing me this site.