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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 6 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But is it to hard to believe that Casey is done with ducati? Lets face it he could go anywere he wanted to, besides maybe fiat yama. He doesnt seem happy there and ducati doesn't want an unhappy rider anyway. Thats a honda thing.

O and L8Braker thanks for showing me this site.


This is just plain stupid. Why would Stoner contemplate leaving Ducati for any other
team than Yamaha? And they're not available. The guy is sick and from that you
infer he doesn't like the bike? They're a good match. That would be obvious to
a blind man.

What the .... has Stoner ever said that would infer he was unhappy at Ducati?
What planet are you on?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 6 2009, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is just plain stupid. Why would Stoner contemplate leaving Ducati for any other
team than Yamaha? And they're not available. The guy is sick and from that you
infer he doesn't like the bike? They're a good match. That would be obvious to
a blind man.

What the .... has Stoner ever said that would infer he was unhappy at Ducati?
What planet are you on?


+1

I agree, complete crazy talk about Stoner leaving.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The difference is casey says it when he won by a country mile Rossi does not ride past his team gesturing at them and pulling faces, even suppo said, "casey is not happy again" Come on sacky, your not that stupid, you can tell the difference surely.

But Roger, just because he wins is he not allowed to be critical of the bike or whatnot?

People can win races when something is not 100%, be that tyres, setup etc and they should be able to say that things were wrong.

As for the posturing or gesticulating I really say who cares as it would seem that the team do like having him there and it is possible that the gesticulating works in his favour. I have seen many riders do it over the years and many do it today, no problem as the team get the message and then try their best to rectify the issue.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jul 6 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was just stating facts, he was still happy to have come in second! Even when Stoner comes first, he pouts and throughs his arms around, he's never happy! I pity his poor mechanics.

A couple of races ago I saw an interview with Suppo and even he was smirking and saying casey was in a bad mood again!

But when Stoner says things people doubt him, it surely cannot be both ways where one says the truth and a second outright fabrications.

Despite many, Stoner has complimented the bike upon finishing down positions, he has complimented riders who have finished above him and he has thanked his team. He has even pulled some of the best stand-up wheelies around when finishing third so it is not correct to say that he whinges all the time.

As for Suppo, never heard the comment but you can bet that all team leaders know when their charge is in a bad mood as they all have those days.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 6 2009, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is just plain stupid. Why would Stoner contemplate leaving Ducati for any other
team than Yamaha? And they're not available. The guy is sick and from that you
infer he doesn't like the bike? They're a good match. That would be obvious to
a blind man.

What the .... has Stoner ever said that would infer he was unhappy at Ducati?
What planet are you on?


I don't necessarily think it is as stupid as it sounds, although I do tend to think it unlikely at the moment and I am not factoring in any illness.

It was long said that coming into 2006 JB wanted Stoner ar Yamaha as number 2 to Rossi and was allegedly vetoed in that regard. Instead they stuck with Edwards and then moved to Lorenzo in 2008 and we know where he is today.

The question is will Lorenzo want to remain in a team where he is a clear number 2 in terms of perceptions etc or does he want to be a team number 1. My bet is that he wants to be a team number 1 as 2010 will be his third in the big game and with his results this year is in a very good position to use that as leverage. I cannot see Yamaha placing him in the FIAT squad as Number 1 so he needs to look elsewhere and I bsuspect (and said a long time ago) that elsewhere will either be Honda or a Factory Yamaha in a Lorenzo run team.

Assuming he stays with Yamaha the question then becomes whetehr FIAT want 1 or 2 riders in their team as a second position must be filled by an existing rider to the MotoGP class (rookie rule).

A further question then becomes whether Stoner is happy at Ducati and whether he is happy with the direction of the bike. The answer to that today is pure speculation but were he to look elsewhere then I would suggest Yamaha, but I am not sure he would want to be #2 either but then, there is JB.

But way to early to start speculation at this stage as there is a lot of the season to go





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 6 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I

The question is will Lorenzo want to remain in a team where he is a clear number 2 in terms of perceptions etc or does he want to be a team number 1.


Garry

Man.... I really do hope Lorenzo sticks it out for 1 more year if he doesn't win the championship this year. I want him to stick it to Rossi, and say he beat and won the championship over Rossi, riding on the same equipment, that way Rossi can be served a humble pie..... cuz it looks like Rossi is really due for one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2009, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What point are your trying to make ? stoner won but moaned about his clutch ??




you crack me up Rog.!

"Stoner said this ... Stoner did that!"" waaaaah waaaahhhh

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 7 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but were he to look elsewhere then I would suggest Yamaha, but I am not sure he would want to be #2 either but then, there is JB.

Garry

Not sure Stoner understands the thought of a No. 1 or No 2 rider ....... I think to his personality type. when thr race starts, there is only one rider in the race ..... so it would be kinda like arguing with a great white shark, as to whether he or the Mako behind you was the deadliest

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 6 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The guy is sick and from that you
infer he doesn't like the bike? They're a good match. That would be obvious to
a blind man.

What the .... has Stoner ever said that would infer he was unhappy at Ducati?
What planet are you on?
Good match? What is this love conection? Just because he has tamed the wild beast doesn't mean he wants to ride it. If he had the choose you don't think he would prefer to ride a tamer bike? Lets not forget when he won the championship his bike has faster than everyone elses. But if it also rode well, he would have dominated. Stoner would be just as, if not more, competitive on the Honda or the Yamaha and he knows it. Even if you don't.

What the .... has stoner said that would infer he was happy with anything?
And I think Suppo could give two ..... for Casey.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 7 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good match? What is this love conection? Just because he has tamed the wild beast doesn't mean he wants to ride it. If he had the choose you don't think he would prefer to ride a tamer bike? Lets not forget when he won the championship his bike has faster than everyone elses. But if it also rode well, he would have dominated. Stoner would be just as, if not more, competitive on the Honda or the Yamaha and he knows it. Even if you don't.

What the .... has stoner said that would infer he was happy with anything?
And I think Suppo could give two ..... for Casey.

I'd agree with your thoughts on the situation. Nicely put, wish I had said that!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ummmm, i truly believe stoner is poorly, i also believe he animates his feeling's for the camera to let peeps know why he is not winning. i know ducati are struggling compared to 07 when they had the world at there feet but i don't believe they would exacerbate stoner's illness to hide that fact.
Stoner better be careful tho, he has this fatigue thing plus now arm pump and any other problem he has. ducati may just cut there lossses and drop him if he aint careful. especially now hayden is getting to grips with the bike. hayden in a top 5 shows the development is now becoming more rider friendly which is what ducarti really want. ducati have always had a revolving door when it comes to top riderss but lately they have had to put there hopes on just one rider.

Roger-m Why would Ducati want or think of replacing Stoner at Ducati, just cos Hayden took a top 5 his first of the year. Here are the facts.

1. Casey Stoner won his very first race for Ducati.
2. Stoner has since won 18 races, broken the record for Poles in a year.
3. He has won Ducatis first WC since 1973.

I think if anything Ducati should be worried about Casey leaving, if he left there would be Hayden mabe getting top 5 possie here and there. Wow, i like Hayden hes a great guy, but he aint no Stoner. Despite what ppl think i recken Casey gets along well with his team, did anyone see the whole garage clap him as he got off his bike? Casey loves the Duke, he just likes to say whats on his mind. Thats why lately he has said nothing bad about the bike at all, infact he is dissapoited he cant use it to his full capacity. I really hope he doesnt have Epstein-Barr if he does he can say good bye to the season i rekon, its only round 8 of 17 theres alot more that can happen, and if Stoner can work out whats going on and get fit, then watch out..

I know this post sounds Stoner fan boy, and yes i am a big Stoner fan have been since he was 16, but i just wanted to get some things staright, as ppl are getting abit ahead of themselevs i think. And for the record i am amazed at how well Lorenzo is riding, defintely a star in the making.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gixxer K9 @ Jul 7 2009, 12:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know this post sounds Stoner fan boy, and yes i am a big Stoner fan have been since he was 16, but i just wanted to get some things staright, as ppl are getting abit ahead of themselevs i think. And for the record i am amazed at how well Lorenzo is riding, defintely a star in the making.

Nope, not fanboy to me but realist.

I have posted before a few times here and other forums but the fact is that at the moment Stoner holds the upper hand in the Stoner/Ducati relationship and will remain holding that hand until another rider comes along and performs consistently well. Not consistent midpack but consistent top 3.

Until that occurs Stoner could very well (and should IMO) start putting pressure on Ducati to get his just rewards as he and Ducati know that at this stage, no Stoner means poor results.



As for Lorenzo, well he will win at least one WC soon




Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gixxer K9 @ Jul 7 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Roger-m Why would Ducati want or think of replacing Stoner at Ducati, just cos Hayden took a top 5 his first of the year. Here are the facts.

1. Casey Stoner won his very first race for Ducati.
2. Stoner has since won 18 races, broken the record for Poles in a year.
3. He has won Ducatis first WC since 1973.

I think if anything Ducati should be worried about Casey leaving, if he left there would be Hayden mabe getting top 5 possie here and there. Wow, i like Hayden hes a great guy, but he aint no Stoner. Despite what ppl think i recken Casey gets along well with his team, did anyone see the whole garage clap him as he got off his bike? Casey loves the Duke, he just likes to say whats on his mind. Thats why lately he has said nothing bad about the bike at all, infact he is dissapoited he cant use it to his full capacity. I really hope he doesnt have Epstein-Barr if he does he can say good bye to the season i rekon, its only round 8 of 17 theres alot more that can happen, and if Stoner can work out whats going on and get fit, then watch out..

I know this post sounds Stoner fan boy, and yes i am a big Stoner fan have been since he was 16, but i just wanted to get some things staright, as ppl are getting abit ahead of themselevs i think. And for the record i am amazed at how well Lorenzo is riding, defintely a star in the making.


Don't worry its just Rog. stirring, he thinks it gets a rise out of folk, thats how he gets his rocks off . But he does say the wackiest things at times

I agree with yur take on the garage situation, looks a great place to be, very "italian", lots of emotion, both the ups and downs.

As to Suppo/Stoner relationship, I have often thought that these two have a very comfortable understanding of each other, just watch the way Suppo and his missus greet Casey/Adrianna at any of the non-racing events they attend. Its a relationship based a tad on more than just Rog.'s couch thats for sure

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would say that there is at least 3 riders

Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa

The hypocrisy on here is amazing. You ask Rossi what happened out there and he says that his setting is not 100% and he doesn't feel comfortable to push. So is this whigning and making excuses?? Sounds like an excuse to me. What's the difference when Casey says that his bike isn't 100% and he is about to pass out? I guess that maybe it's the delivery eh?? Anyways,

Go Hayden!!


my sentiments exactly.... for example when stoner lost drive on the straight and loris passed him, that was an excuse, when the dorna camera came off during the race, that was an excuse, when he had to change the damper at 300k's with one hand, thats an excuse, when you race in 50degC and throw up on your helmet, thats an excuse, when you have glandular fever and cant ride more than 5 laps that an excuse...


but when rossi says this wasnt perfect, tires not right, i want the same tires or i am considering quitting or that, then rossi is not complaining, hes just got the most experienced pit crew and the biggest budget to utilise, but hey hes not complaining or whinging is he.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 6 2009, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So pedantic.

Your last two paragraphs made no sense.

Pedrosa was the man who needed beating at laguna seca.

Sorry Ricky, I don’t think I meant it like that, or I just did not get your post right.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 6 2009, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would say that there is at least 3 riders

Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa

The hypocrisy on here is amazing. You ask Rossi what happened out there and he says that his setting is not 100% and he doesn't feel comfortable to push. So is this whigning and making excuses?? Sounds like an excuse to me. What's the difference when Casey says that his bike isn't 100% and he is about to pass out? I guess that maybe it's the delivery eh?? Anyways,

Go Hayden!!

I guess the difference could be: Rossi refers to as ‘his setting’ which involves a lot of ‘his’ input. And Stoner refers to as ‘his bike’ which involves a lot of ‘his’ input obviously too.

his setting vs his bike hahahahhaha

omfg yoooooou guys - cartmen voice.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 7 2009, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>................
As for Lorenzo, well he will win at least one WC soon

Garry

You need to stay in one piece for at least 15 races to win a title... That is still the big question mark about Lorenzo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 7 2009, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>his setting vs his bike hahahahhaha

omfg yoooooou guys - cartmen voice.

And I quote myself… “Obviously”… Wow, brilliant Pinky!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 7 2009, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Ricky, I don’t think I meant it like that, or I just did not get your post right.
You didn't get my post right

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 7 2009, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You need to stay in one piece for at least 15 races to win a title... That is still the big question mark about Lorenzo.


Lorenzo is a bit scary at times isn't he. Somtimes no fear is a bad thing.