::LAGUNA RACE 09::

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 6 2009, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Something I wondered about whilst watching Laguna ........ pedrosa seemed the only one riding with nothing to lose. Just wondering if this "tight championship" is making it a tad too "careful" for the top 3 involved.

I think you watched a different race.
Except for one guy blocking the faster ones for a while the top 3 were doing very similar lap times.
Neither Rossis nor Lorenzo's pass attempts suggeset they where keeping it on the safe side. Only one rider could be suspected of that, allthough others claim he is not in his best shape for the time being. I would go for the theory of him not being well, but it is very interesting to see you suggest he is playing it safe.

I missed the race this weekend cuz i was out of town....anybody know a site where i can watch it???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ngads @ Jul 6 2009, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I missed the race this weekend cuz i was out of town....anybody know a site where i can watch it???

link

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 7 2009, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you watched a different race.
Except for one guy blocking the faster ones for a while the top 3 were doing very similar lap times.
Neither Rossis nor Lorenzo's pass attempts suggeset they where keeping it on the safe side. Only one rider could be suspected of that, allthough others claim he is not in his best shape for the time being. I would go for the theory of him not being well, but it is very interesting to see you suggest he is playing it safe.

No ...... Rossi indeed was not "going out on a limb", unless you where in a coma and didn't know both Lorenzo and Stoner were pretty banged up. The fact that Pedro ran away with it and rossi only just beat two fairly injured riders, does suggest he wasn't pushing it much. Ok I'm sure he understood Pedrosa is not his real contender in the WC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 6 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But is it to hard to believe that Casey is done with ducati? Lets face it he could go anywere he wanted to, besides maybe fiat yama. He doesnt seem happy there and ducati doesn't want an unhappy rider anyway. Thats a honda thing.

O and L8Braker thanks for showing me this site.
Yea we can all speculate on Casey, I think it would really depend on what he gets offered. HRC would seem to be on the only good option, but if Pedro steps it up for the remainder of the year there wouldn't be an offer in that direction I'm thinking. WSBK???

yea great site, lots of knowledgeble folks on here.....

Jumkie...where ya at buddy, it's time for some stories!!!!

Some of you guys seem to forget. Dani and Repsol are both Spanish. Repsol wants a Spaniard in the worst way to win the WC. Unless you see Jorge go over to the Repsol team Dani won't be leaving anytime soon. Do any of you remember the past two years when Dani threatened to leave cause of his bike not being up to par? I am sure that Honda and Repsol made some ammends to get it right so he stayed. I just don't see him leaving unless there is another Spanish rider about to take his seat.

Now let's look at Casey. He may be posturing for more money. Why not? He is just like anyone else who wants to pad his bank account. He knows on that team he is the number one. He has the best chance to win the WC this year on a Duc. I for one still think he is going to win it this year. I also think if you understand the virus he has it is extremely debilitating. I have a family member that that had Ebstein-bar and trust me it is no joke. It also brings depression since you don't know how to get around it. It does however take alot of time to get over so I hope since his is young and in decent shape he should be able to recover faster. You can only read into things a bit. If he is feeling a bit depressed he understands it isn't Ducati it is him. I am sure he knows that Ducati is doing everything possible to make that bike right for Stoner. Look how fast he is even when he is feeling sick. If there is to be a switch I just don't see any other team working for him unless it is Fiat Yamaha cause Honda will be locked with their present team. Suzuki is surely not a decent squad due to the fact that bike is a piece of .... and Kawi, well we all know what is up with them. So who is really left? No one other than where he is at, and I think he is happy knowing in the least that is where he won the WC and with the passion of DUcati they want another one badly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 6 2009, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you watched a different race.
Except for one guy blocking the faster ones for a while the top 3 were doing very similar lap times.
Neither Rossis nor Lorenzo's pass attempts suggeset they where keeping it on the safe side. Only one rider could be suspected of that, allthough others claim he is not in his best shape for the time being. I would go for the theory of him not being well, but it is very interesting to see you suggest he is playing it safe.
I do think rossi is showing more respect for his opposition than in most stages of his career, even if you want to leave casey out and consider jorge to be his only serious opposition at this time; during his career he has usually absolutely gone for the win without regard for the championship position. As you say he was going rather fast for the last few laps in any case.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Jul 6 2009, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It must be tough for other riders when Rossi can still finish second when things aren't working how he would like.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 6 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>always an excuse when rossi gets beat

he can't just say he got beaten by the better rider today
How is that an excuse? For what, finishing in the position he finished in?

Rossi said they couldn't quite get the bike set up how he wanted it, yet despite this they still got second. How many other riders can't even finish in the top three when they've got their bike set up how they want it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 6 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some of you guys seem to forget. Dani and Repsol are both Spanish. Repsol wants a Spaniard in the worst way to win the WC. Unless you see Jorge go over to the Repsol team Dani won't be leaving anytime soon. Do any of you remember the past two years when Dani threatened to leave cause of his bike not being up to par? I am sure that Honda and Repsol made some ammends to get it right so he stayed. I just don't see him leaving unless there is another Spanish rider about to take his seat.
I think even Repsol would rather have a non spanish worldchampion than no world champion at all and if they dont and start insisting to HRC, i could see HRC telling then to .... off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 6 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some of you guys seem to forget. Dani and Repsol are both Spanish. Repsol wants a Spaniard in the worst way to win the WC. Unless you see Jorge go over to the Repsol team Dani won't be leaving anytime soon. Do any of you remember the past two years when Dani threatened to leave cause of his bike not being up to par? I am sure that Honda and Repsol made some ammends to get it right so he stayed. I just don't see him leaving unless there is another Spanish rider about to take his seat.
Source:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76747

Yamaha will not get involved in a bidding war with Honda over the services of Jorge Lorenzo for 2010, the Japanese manufacturer has said, amid heightened speculation over the future of the Spanish rider.

Rumours emerging in Laguna Sena suggested that Lorenzo is in talks with Honda about a switch to them for next year, even though he says that remaining at Yamaha is his priority.

Yamaha is aware of the situation, but its boss Masao Furusawa has made it clear that the company will not stretch itself financially to try and keep hold of Lorenzo.

"We are interested in Jorge," Furusawa told Gazzetta dello Sport. "We are in talks but we know about Honda's offer: if he wants to go with them, we won't be raising our stakes in order to retain him."

Lorenzo insisted over the weekend that there was no firm offer from Honda yet, although he did not deny that discussions had taken place.

"At the moment Yamaha is the first option: I'd like to stay here. We are talking," he explained. "There is no offer [from Honda], but I can't say whether some discussions are taking place. I can say that at the moment, with nothing signed, my manager and I are open to anything."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 6 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Source:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76747

Yamaha will not get involved in a bidding war with Honda over the services of Jorge Lorenzo for 2010, the Japanese manufacturer has said, amid heightened speculation over the future of the Spanish rider.

Rumours emerging in Laguna Sena suggested that Lorenzo is in talks with Honda about a switch to them for next year, even though he says that remaining at Yamaha is his priority.

Yamaha is aware of the situation, but its boss Masao Furusawa has made it clear that the company will not stretch itself financially to try and keep hold of Lorenzo.

"We are interested in Jorge," Furusawa told Gazzetta dello Sport. "We are in talks but we know about Honda's offer: if he wants to go with them, we won't be raising our stakes in order to retain him."

Lorenzo insisted over the weekend that there was no firm offer from Honda yet, although he did not deny that discussions had taken place.

"At the moment Yamaha is the first option: I'd like to stay here. We are talking," he explained. "There is no offer [from Honda], but I can't say whether some discussions are taking place. I can say that at the moment, with nothing signed, my manager and I are open to anything."
Still just rumour and posturing. Jorge likes being on Rossi's team so he can steal all his set-up data.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Jul 6 2009, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many other riders can't even finish in the top three when they've got their bike set up how they want it.

I would say that there is at least 3 riders

Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa

The hypocrisy on here is amazing. You ask Rossi what happened out there and he says that his setting is not 100% and he doesn't feel comfortable to push. So is this whigning and making excuses?? Sounds like an excuse to me. What's the difference when Casey says that his bike isn't 100% and he is about to pass out? I guess that maybe it's the delivery eh?? Anyways,

Go Hayden!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 6 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Source:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76747

Yamaha will not get involved in a bidding war with Honda over the services of Jorge Lorenzo for 2010, the Japanese manufacturer has said, amid heightened speculation over the future of the Spanish rider.

Rumours emerging in Laguna Sena suggested that Lorenzo is in talks with Honda about a switch to them for next year, even though he says that remaining at Yamaha is his priority.

Yamaha is aware of the situation, but its boss Masao Furusawa has made it clear that the company will not stretch itself financially to try and keep hold of Lorenzo.

"We are interested in Jorge," Furusawa told Gazzetta dello Sport. "We are in talks but we know about Honda's offer: if he wants to go with them, we won't be raising our stakes in order to retain him."

Lorenzo insisted over the weekend that there was no firm offer from Honda yet, although he did not deny that discussions had taken place.

"At the moment Yamaha is the first option: I'd like to stay here. We are talking," he explained. "There is no offer [from Honda], but I can't say whether some discussions are taking place. I can say that at the moment, with nothing signed, my manager and I are open to anything."



Yamaha still trying to recover the cost of signing Rossi. They dont have the money to hold Jorge, now that he is a championship material.









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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>link

thanx but its for UK users only

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 6 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would say that there is at least 3 riders

Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa

The hypocrisy on here is amazing. You ask Rossi what happened out there and he says that his setting is not 100% and he doesn't feel comfortable to push. So is this whigning and making excuses?? Sounds like an excuse to me. What's the difference when Casey says that his bike isn't 100% and he is about to pass out? I guess that maybe it's the delivery eh?? Anyways,

Go Hayden!!
The difference is casey says it when he won by a country mile Rossi does not ride past his team gesturing at them and pulling faces, even suppo said, "casey is not happy again" Come on sacky, your not that stupid, you can tell the difference surely.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 6 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would say that there is at least 3 riders

Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa

The hypocrisy on here is amazing. You ask Rossi what happened out there and he says that his setting is not 100% and he doesn't feel comfortable to push. So is this whigning and making excuses?? Sounds like an excuse to me. What's the difference when Casey says that his bike isn't 100% and he is about to pass out? I guess that maybe it's the delivery eh?? Anyways,

Go Hayden!!

Rossi was just stating facts, he was still happy to have come in second! Even when Stoner comes first, he pouts and throughs his arms around, he's never happy! I pity his poor mechanics.

A couple of races ago I saw an interview with Suppo and even he was smirking and saying casey was in a bad mood again!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2009, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi does not ride past his team gesturing at them and pulling faces, .

Like at Mugello 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evo9 @ Jul 5 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its called; trying to save my seat for next year.

I think that's a poor acessment. He's sure as hell been trying hard to work
past his injuries and adjusting the Honda so as to get heat
into the front which has been difficult for someone as small
as him. Pedrosa still seems to be chasing the dream of winning
a championship. When not crashing - he's been up there in
the top 5 - not cruising around at the back with Gibernau to collect a check.
I may not like him personally - but the guy has fire in the belly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 6 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like at Mugello 2009
What point are your trying to make ? stoner won but moaned about his clutch ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 6 2009, 05:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and what was Toseland doing? BBC commentators said the pit boards can be difficult to see at Laguna, but surely he couldn't miss it entirely, as someone said earlier this could cost him his job, unless he really starts to get results, & not just the odd sixth place.

It's not that hard to miss a pitboard in the midst of so much visual imput
- especially so early in the race when you're not really expecting signals
from the crew. I was only a mid-pack endurance racer back in the day -
but can tell you from experience - when you're hustling to get up into
the pack you're so focused on that that you hardly have any mental
wherewithal to think about anything else.