::LAGUNA RACE 09::

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtoric @ Jul 5 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hayden should retire from embarassment... guy who is struggling with fitness hard beat him easily on his home track.



.... OFF PINKY!!!!!!!!!!!









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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 5 2009, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>can you give an exact example please ? i am very interested . i know puig has in the past said someone is nearer to get dani to speed up or someone is further away than they actually are to get him to slow. but can you give an example what the pit board said and what his actual time was ans what lap please ??

I don't have specific examples, but do remember the Eurosport guys mentioning it 3 or 4 times over the last ~2 years. I also remember one or two written articles (superbike planet/crash.net/motogpmatters, etc.) that pointed out the fake pit signals Puig was feeding the 'Bot.

I watched the race on JustinTV today, a mirror of the official MotoGP broadcast. One of those guys noted that the pit board and track position didn't jive, and he implied that this was deliberate.

You've got me a bit curious. If time allows, I might revisit some of the recent races where Pedrosa was in or near the lead.

I can only say that if I was the rider risking my neck to push when it wasn't 100% necessary, I'd be damn pissed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 5 2009, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps honda have not totally solved the fuel economy problem with the pneumatic engine rather than dani dropping off in the last laps.

Pedrosa specified in post race interview that he intentionally slowed
because he had a large gap - and then upon realizing Rossi was
closing in - he dialed it up, and just in time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 5 2009, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Glad to see no-one badmouthing Pedrosa. .... his personality.
Gotta r-e-s-p-e-c-t his racing. And is it my imagination - or did he seem
50% more human and genuinely gracious at the interview? Who
knows - maybe he's changing. Maybe coming out from under the
shadow of Pooch. Hey . . . if Nicky can get a 5th on the mankiller
anything is possible.


Its called; trying to save my seat for next year.






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Not to driff off topic. Anybody got a vid link for the story below? Young Nick Blasted the DMG/AMA fiasco. http://superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/e/n090705z.htm



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During the red flag period, Nick Hayden (yes, Nick!) could be seen yelling at AMA Pro officials in pitlane. A round of applause went up when it hit the video screens.




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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 5 2009, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if rossi woulda took pedro on last lap i think i woulda kicked the tv of its stand

feel bad for stoner but atleast he managed to get points

lorenzo..... legendry ride

pedro's bike is filled with rocket fuel for starts me thinks but managed the race well.

rossi shoulda put hammer down on last but 1 lap it woulda been urs...

but NICKY HAYDEN awesome job!!!!
LOL kicked it off the stand man that is funny. Good friggen race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jul 6 2009, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't have specific examples, but do remember the Eurosport guys mentioning it 3 or 4 times over the last ~2 years. I also remember one or two written articles (superbike planet/crash.net/motogpmatters, etc.) that pointed out the fake pit signals Puig was feeding the 'Bot.

I watched the race on JustinTV today, a mirror of the official MotoGP broadcast. One of those guys noted that the pit board and track position didn't jive, and he implied that this was deliberate.

You've got me a bit curious. If time allows, I might revisit some of the recent races where Pedrosa was in or near the lead.

I can only say that if I was the rider risking my neck to push when it wasn't 100% necessary, I'd be damn pissed.
i agree, if i were dani i would want to know facts as to my positions. after all im the person riding and know my limits. if you cant trust your pit board then what's the point of reading it ,especially when you know its a one race winner 'has been' giving you his worthless opinion rather that actual facts.

i was just hopping you had spotted a specific example we could all slag the prick off for.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree, if i were dani i would want to know facts as to my positions. after all im the person riding and know my limits. if you cant trust your pit board then what's the point of reading it ,especially when you know its a one race winner 'has been' giving you his worthless opinion rather that actual facts.

i was just hopping you had spotted a specific example we could all slag the prick off for.
How much do you wanna bet the pig is on the choppin block. It's not like he is anything great. The guy only won one race. He is a piece of .... and takes no steps to make Dani a more appriciated player with his antics. I think there must be someone talking to Dani and getting him to finally open up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner better be careful tho, he has this fatigue thing plus now arm pump and any other problem he has. ducati may just cut there lossses and drop him if he aint careful.
This had occurred to me, particularly as he doesn't appear to help ducati win popularity contests, and as I have said previously there seems to be a paucity of declarations of long-term commitment by either party.

One swallow does not make a summer

Nicky will have to go a lot better before ducati would even consider dropping Stoner. Casey would have to have a permanent disability to be dropped. He will recover from his problems.......by next year, if not later this season.

PS> Good effort for Casey to hang in there, but Horhey is one tough cookie. Very impressive. Perhaps he is lacking the "self-preservation gene?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 5 2009, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>can you give an exact example please ? i am very interested . i know puig has in the past said someone is nearer to get dani to speed up or someone is further away than they actually are to get him to slow. but can you give an example what the pit board said and what his actual time was ans what lap please ??

What's up Rog? Pedrosa's last lap time was 1'23.368, previous 15 laps on 1'22s, and before that even 1’21s:

http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/...AC/Analysis.pdf

<u>Piug </u>did not want to risk anything slowing Pedrosa down; I would have love Rossi's 101 on that last lap.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 5 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ummmm, i truly believe stoner is poorly, i also believe he animates his feeling's for the camera to let peeps know why he is not winning. i know ducati are struggling compared to 07 when they had the world at there feet but i don't believe they would exacerbate stoner's illness to hide that fact.
Stoner better be careful tho, he has this fatigue thing plus now arm pump and any other problem he has. ducati may just cut there lossses and drop him if he aint careful. especially now hayden is getting to grips with the bike. hayden in a top 5 shows the development is now becoming more rider friendly which is what ducarti really want. ducati have always had a revolving door when it comes to top riderss but lately they have had to put there hopes on just one rider.


Rog maybe this is a bit premature. Stoner isn't breaking down he is ill. Hayden has to do more than just hit 5th once to replace him. Stoner lasted far longer in this race than the others so I actually think there is light at the end of the tunnel for him and he's not very far behind. The arm pump could just be that he is overcompensating for his lack of strength in the midsection and taking all the braking force on his arms. He says he's never had it before so it's likely nothing. I'll bet the fact that the bike accelerates out of the corner better and the home track thing are the main factors for Hayden's success. I love the fact that he is doing better but seriously doubt he'll ever match Stoner.

Suzuki had a dismal weekend eh? I don't know what to think anymore. Bike gets better and the riders get worse...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ummmm, i truly believe stoner is poorly, i also believe he animates his feeling's for the camera to let peeps know why he is not winning. i know ducati are struggling compared to 07 when they had the world at there feet but i don't believe they would exacerbate stoner's illness to hide that fact.
Stoner better be careful tho, he has this fatigue thing plus now arm pump and any other problem he has. ducati may just cut there lossses and drop him if he aint careful. especially now hayden is getting to grips with the bike. hayden in a top 5 shows the development is now becoming more rider friendly which is what ducarti really want. ducati have always had a revolving door when it comes to top riderss but lately they have had to put there hopes on just one rider.

You can't be serious..??? Ducati drop Stoner?? Sure, right after Yamaha tells Rossi to hit the road. That bike belongs to Stoner. Pure and simple. That bike is to him what the Honda is to Peders. A fifth place finish by Hayden is hardly cause for alarm in the Stoner camp. Stoner is not well, this will come to pass and when it does he will be just fine.

Many bites...............maybe Roger on a fishing expedition?

pretty good race
lorenzo, even he injure he can on podium and no bla bla like stoner
good to watch hayden progress he now on top 5

Guys Guys Guys ..... calm down .... its Rog.! remember.

Sure Pinky tries hard to wind folk up ...... Rog. can't help it, he seems to actually believe or "dream" half the stuff he comes up with, and he does it as naturally as breathing ....

But yes ........ Stoner & Ducati is in question ....... but not as Rog. suggests


No news on Pedro yet ( and he pulled out a blaster today ) .......... no news from Stoner yet ....... no news from Honda? ....... no news from Stoners dad? ............ lot of stuff not going on in the background there.

And I don't think Stoner will push for more money from DUC. .... as much as we see, most of the other riders avoiding Duc. like the plague, Stoner is pushing the thing ..... and at great physical cost ......... lots of room for speculation in all that thats for sure, but nothing is more stupid than a statement that Ducati "want" or even can afford to lose Stoner ........ if it was not for Stoner, now and since 07 ....... where would they be? What did folk think of Duc. pre-Stoner?

No Rog. needs to get more oxygen whilst he is sleeping!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Jul 6 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pretty good race
lorenzo, even he injure he can on podium and no bla bla like stoner
good to watch hayden progress he now on top 5


What do you mean no bla bla ....... was a pretty good episode of "General Hospital days of our lives chopper rescue squad" yesterday when Lorenzo got stretchered away and into a helicopter, and of to hospital after an almost identical highside to Stoner .... Stoner walked back to his pit after a drive in a mule with some caring though beefy looking marshals ......... gee you guys have the sooks bad about Stoner! must have stole all your girlfirends ... like every other rider stole Pinkies!

That saying he has Adrianna ..... guess thats better than a trip to any hosp. for need of some "caring"

You are as sooky as Rog. mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evo9 @ Jul 5 2009, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not to driff off topic. Anybody got a vid link for the story below? Young Nick Blasted the DMG/AMA fiasco. http://superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/e/n090705z.htm

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I raced a couple AMA events and they are fckn clowns. The federal government should stop them from running races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 6 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ummmm, i truly believe stoner is poorly, i also believe he animates his feeling's for the camera to let peeps know why he is not winning. i know ducati are struggling compared to 07 when they had the world at there feet but i don't believe they would exacerbate stoner's illness to hide that fact.
Stoner better be careful tho, he has this fatigue thing plus now arm pump and any other problem he has. ducati may just cut there lossses and drop him if he aint careful. especially now hayden is getting to grips with the bike. hayden in a top 5 shows the development is now becoming more rider friendly which is what ducarti really want. ducati have always had a revolving door when it comes to top riderss but lately they have had to put there hopes on just one rider.


lol are u kidding me? hayden came in 5th and if wasnt for a fwe crashes ahead of him, prob would of came in 8th.... i mean he did ALOT better than he has done, but really hardly competitive even against some of the 2nd tier riders.

props to him, but still cmon. he came 5th LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 6 2009, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol are u kidding me? hayden came in 5th and if wasnt for a fwe crashes ahead of him, prob would of came in 8th.... i mean he did ALOT better than he has done, but really hardly competitive even against some of the 2nd tier riders.

props to him, but still cmon. he came 5th LOL
Better than your bumboys edwards + capirossi