::LAGUNA RACE 09::

wow dani was fast today, faultless ride, glad to see your fully fit.

rossi rode well, didnt like the set up until the bike lightened up but 2nd was good for the championship.

Lorenzo, I became a fan last year, and he still continues to grow on me, He's tough and he very nearly pulled a move on the doctor, that turn 11 is a .......

Stoner, things just keep getting worse for him. nice to see him pat the bike on the tank after the race.

Not a bad day at the office for hayden, bear in mind the last time another ducati rider other than stoner got the bike to work this good. I think he might just break the curse.

Toseland, WTF. come on man, i really want to be a fan, even if you did your ride through and came back out you would have picked up a couple of points and some respect, even if you did run in last place. I just dont think your trying hard enough .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Jul 5 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, it's your post is .........
Glad you at least read it. Please explain why.

This is motorcycle racing. Jorge tired an albeit 'optimistic' move, no doubt with Catalunya fresh in his memory, and locked the front. No ego - he's a racer. The Jorge I knew of old, from 125, and 250 would have ended up spitting gravel . Yeah, a bit of a hot headed move, but would you rather he hadn't tried it? Last lap, Rossi, in an almost identical situation, had a look at Pedrosa, saw it was not possible and wisely settled for 2nd.

As I say, please point out what particular aspects of my post you disagree with, and why, and I will duly respond - after all, that's what forum's like these are for.

Fantastic race!

I'm really happy for Dani, this season was being hell with injuries and lack of perfomance on the Honda and I'm glad he won this one. Hard work and riding through pain is finally paying off. But .... don't make it that close next time!!!

Rossi is already in championship mode, he probably couldn't catch Dani but he was just happy anyway cause his rivals were behind and weak. Though I bet he got a little bit unsettled when he saw Lorenzo sideways passing by lol.

Jorge Lorenzo is a nutcase, but I guess that's why people like him. He just doesn't quit. Never. Considering his physical state I think he's gonna be a major pain in the ... for Rossi all year long.

Stoner was suffering you could see he was not his usual powerful radical Ducati harnessing style, he was just hanging on there, I hope Doctors fix him!

Also I was happy to finally see Nicky and Elías doing well, best result of the season for them. Though initially it could be put down to Home race factor and contract time factor respectively. But let's hope it's due to the new technician and new chassis respectively, so the good results keep on coming.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 6 2009, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I say, please point out what particular aspects of my post you disagree with, and why, and I will respond - after all, that's what forum's like these are for.

You should have done that instead of replying like you did... I just expressed my opinion and what I think is that Jorge's ego makes him want to beat Rossi at any cost, hence his optimistic moves. And when he feels comfortable with his bike, he, probably, gets too confident - hence his crashes. You may disagree, but I think that he has to get his head sorted.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 5 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if rossi woulda took pedro on last lap i think i woulda kicked the tv of its stand

God I was waiting for that Rossi's 101 coming on strong those 3 last seconds behind Pedrosa… If Rossi had gotten it, I would have projectile the remote into the TV too man!!!

Anyway, great enough race. Congrats to all of them, even Melandri's 10th. By the way, 'non Factory' Hayate has 61 points in the Constructors Championship with only one rider, if it means anything; two Melandri's would add 122, right above 'Factory' Risla Suzuki's 117 with two bikes!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Jul 6 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should have done that instead of replying like you did... I just expressed my opinion and what I think is that Jorge's ego makes him want to beat Rossi at any cost, hence his optimistic moves. And when he feels comfortable with his bike, he, probably, gets too confident - hence his crashes. You may disagree, but I think that he has to get his head sorted.
Fair do's - apologies Ganz

nice race! again, lorenzo was just amazing! and congratulations to dani, nice to see him back on top form.. stoner has to do something, has to find a cure, a solution to this problem. he just cant afford to continue like that.

now.. if rossi wants to win the championship his only concern is to keep lorenzo behind him, i think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 6 2009, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair do's - apologies Ganz

No problem, man

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Jul 6 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should have done that instead of replying like you did... I just expressed my opinion and what I think is that Jorge's ego makes him want to beat Rossi at any cost, hence his optimistic moves. And when he feels comfortable with his bike, he, probably, gets too confident - hence his crashes. You may disagree, but I think that he has to get his head sorted.
i see what your saying. rossi being that much more experienced and has won just about everything would ride a more calculated race but lorenzo is ....... hungry man ! you got to admire a hay bales or win racer especially when they had a displaced shoulder the day before. Our sport need's more hard gutsy riders like this imo, this attitude is what makes motogp the pinnical of motorcycle racing.

forgot to congratulate melandri on a 10th in my last post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Jul 6 2009, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nice race! again, lorenzo was just amazing! and congratulations to dani, nice to see him back on top form.. stoner has to do something, has to find a cure, a solution to this problem. he just cant afford to continue like that.

now.. if rossi wants to win the championship his only concern is to keep lorenzo behind him, i think.

A little bit early for that. If Stoner bounce back he is still only 15 points behind. Two victories to Stoner with Dani on 2nd make for at least 18 points gain on Rossi and Lorenzo.

Great race from Dani. Fast when he needed to be.
Qualifying is basically pointless with his launch control.
He is at the front at turn one no matter where he qualifies.
What was with that last lap? Big mistake giving the doctor a sniff.
But still overall he was the man today.
Good points for Vale on a bike that wasn't quite working for him.
Definitely the man to beat for the title.
Jorge was epic today. Lost out at the start but just kept coming.
Courageous ride from the guy.
The media here in Aus seem to think Casey has Glandular fever.
A mate of mine had it and it took months for him to get over it.
If it is, he is out of the title race for 09.
Bloody chuffed for Nicky today. Hopefully he is finding his feet with the big red beast.
Last race he had a loose handlebar and should have been closer so I think Nicky is on the improve.

Bad luck to Dovi - 2 dnf's in succession

Oh and Pinky - .... OFF

Painkillers got to do wonders, Lorenzo does not seem in such great pain just after the race finished. Could be adrenaling still kicking, but holding the bike with his right hand a shaking Rossi’s hand with his left… I know bikes ride easily and on their own at that cooling down speeds, but Lorenzo does not seem crippled!

http://www.marca.com/albumes/2009/07/05/ca...uu/index_3.html

Anyway, after yesterday’s deck hit, it is and amazing 3rd… Congrats on him!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 5 2009, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Today is a day for respect all around. Laguna was epic again.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 5 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Glad you at least read it. Please explain why.

This is motorcycle racing. Jorge tired an albeit 'optimistic' move, no doubt with Catalunya fresh in his memory, and locked the front. No ego - he's a racer. The Jorge I knew of old, from 125, and 250 would have ended up spitting gravel . Yeah, a bit of a hot headed move, but would you rather he hadn't tried it? Last lap, Rossi, in an almost identical situation, had a look at Pedrosa, saw it was not possible and wisely settled for 2nd.

As I say, please point out what particular aspects of my post you disagree with, and why, and I will duly respond - after all, that's what forum's like these are for.

When reflecting on the move even Lorenzo said it was not right. He said that he probably should have waited a few more turns. Even with all the injuries he still managed a wheelie down across the finish line.

Let's state the obvious: going around any track faster than Rossi, on equal/equivalent machinery, must imply taking considerable risks. The Doctor is quite capable to ride at the limit with relatively good control. Now that the variables of tyres have been flattened, all are closer, but that also means that being appreciably faster is more difficult and risky.

So a serious Rossi-challenger has to be a real risk-taker. The talented and daring Lorenzo fits the bill, however he looks even a bit too eager to me. He seems unwilling to acknowledge the hard limits of our physical world, so I can't help feeling worried for him.

The one who managed to be faster than Rossi this time was Pedrobot, and in apparent safety. Kudos to him. But that last lap showed why Puig used to show him shorter gaps...

Stoner... we'll see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 5 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The one who managed to be faster than Rossi this time was Pedrobot, and in apparent safety. Kudos to him. But that last lap showed why Puig used to show him shorter gaps...

The BS pit board says so much about the PuIG / Peddles relationship. The basic dishonesty and lack of respect for the rider's abilities (to manage the lead as he sees fit) is disgusting.

It looks as it Peddles eased off a LOT on the last two laps. I wonder if Alberto has cried 'wolf' one time too many, and if Danny didn't really believe that Rossi was so close?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 5 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let's state the obvious: going around any track faster than Rossi, on equal/equivalent machinery, must imply taking considerable risks. The Doctor is quite capable to ride at the limit with relatively good control. Now that the variables of tyres have been flattened, all are closer, but that also means that being appreciably faster is more difficult and risky.

So a serious Rossi-challenger has to be a real risk-taker. The talented and daring Lorenzo fits the bill, however he looks even a bit too eager to me. He seems unwilling to acknowledge the hard limits of our physical world, so I can't help feeling worried for him.

The one who managed to be faster than Rossi this time was Pedrobot, and in apparent safety. Kudos to him. But that last lap showed why Puig used to show him shorter gaps...

Stoner... we'll see.

Someday there will be a rider that is quicker than Rossi, no? Lorenzo has the same bike, different setup. Also, Rossi said that he couldn't ride on the limit because he couldn't find the right setting. Lorenzo was on a cooler lap and not pushing it when he crashed. All these guys are taking calculated risks, Lorenzo is still young and his calculations are not quite dialed in. Lorenzo is also a pretty small dude more fitting for the current formula.

All this, and I have to say that I agree with your post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 6 2009, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The one who managed to be faster than Rossi this time was Pedrobot, and in apparent safety. Kudos to him. But that last lap showed why Puig used to show him shorter gaps...

Stoner... we'll see.
Perhaps honda have not totally solved the fuel economy problem with the pneumatic engine rather than dani dropping off in the last laps.

It could be said that stoner is making little effort to hide any physical problem he might have , but I think the existence of a physical problem is more likely than his riding ability being fine for warm-up and for 10 laps then progressively declining. I guess deterioration in the bike is possible, but I find it hard to believe that ducati would turn up the power for 10 laps so he can appear fast then make a charade of being ill, particularly for several races, and the ducati suddenly developing a propensity to totally destroy tyres after not many laps would also seem unlikely.

The main thing about lorenzo's attempted pass for me was amazement that he managed to save it, like rossi in the corkscrew last year. Rossi used it to gain a decisive gap, which is what stoner should have done last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jul 6 2009, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The BS pit board says so much about the PuIG / Peddles relationship. The basic dishonesty and lack of respect for the rider's abilities (to manage the lead as he sees fit) is disgusting.

It looks as it Peddles eased off a LOT on the last two laps. I wonder if Alberto has cried 'wolf' one time too many, and if Danny didn't really believe that Rossi was so close?
can you give an exact example please ? i am very interested . i know puig has in the past said someone is nearer to get dani to speed up or someone is further away than they actually are to get him to slow. but can you give an example what the pit board said and what his actual time was ans what lap please ??

Great Job by Dani good to see him up there winning and getting so fast after so many injures, Wow Vale almost took him , if this race was 1 lap more then Rossi would have take 1st place , Lorenzo Tried to overtake Rossi but failed on the brakes need a little more to get the good brake i think

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 6 2009, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps honda have not totally solved the fuel economy problem with the pneumatic engine rather than dani dropping off in the last laps.

It could be said that stoner is making little effort to hide any physical problem he might have

, but I think the existence of a physical problem is more likely than his riding ability being fine for warm-up and for 10 laps then progressively declining. I guess deterioration in the bike is possible, but I find it hard to believe that ducati would turn up the power for 10 laps so he can appear fast then make a charade of being ill, particularly for several races, and the ducati suddenly developing a propensity to totally destroy tyres after not many laps would also seem unlikely.

The main thing about lorenzo's attempted pass for me was amazement that he managed to save it, like rossi in the corkscrew last year. Rossi used it to gain a decisive gap, which is what stoner should have done last year.
ummmm, i truly believe stoner is poorly, i also believe he animates his feeling's for the camera to let peeps know why he is not winning. i know ducati are struggling compared to 07 when they had the world at there feet but i don't believe they would exacerbate stoner's illness to hide that fact.
Stoner better be careful tho, he has this fatigue thing plus now arm pump and any other problem he has. ducati may just cut there lossses and drop him if he aint careful. especially now hayden is getting to grips with the bike. hayden in a top 5 shows the development is now becoming more rider friendly which is what ducarti really want. ducati have always had a revolving door when it comes to top riderss but lately they have had to put there hopes on just one rider.