Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 1 2007, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> i just couldn't resist digging that classic back up.
recon im going to pay for it later tho

I wonder if he still feels the same now with hindsight. I thought quite a lot of it was unreasonable.

I agree, if a rider is reckless to a degree where they are malicious, then punishment is in order. But a racing incitdent is just that. One of the risks.

All reminds me of Harada and Capirossi in 98. At the time i was pretty mad at Capirossi, because i wanted Harada to win. But in hindsight it was just a racing incident as far as i am concerned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if he still feels the same now with hindsight. I thought quite a lot of it was unreasonable.

I agree, if a rider is reckless to a degree where they are malicious, then punishment is in order. But a racing incitdent is just that. One of the risks.

All reminds me of Harada and Capirossi in 98. At the time i was pretty mad at Capirossi, because i wanted Harada to win. But in hindsight it was just a racing incident as far as i am concerned.
yeah and if i remember correctly that ended up in court.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 1 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah and if i remember correctly that ended up in court.

Never mind, it all worked out in the end and hasn't damaged the sport. Do you think Aprilia sacked Capirossi directly for that or do yu think there could have been an element of clearing the path for Rossi? harada was off to ride 500 v twins anyway

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 1 2007, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah and if i remember correctly that ended up in court.
this is the kinda .... that can wreck motorsport.... or any sport for that matter!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 1 2007, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this is the kinda .... that can wreck motorsport.... or any sport for that matter!
exactly my point mate, i think when you line up on the grid thats as good as signing a disclaimer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Feb 1 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>F1's problem isn't with drivers being careful and consistent (just look at Takuma Sato's tenure at BAR). The problem is that the cars are so advanced and so uneven that the driver can hardly make up for it. You won't see Raikkonen or Alonso make a Spyker or an Aguri competitive. Also, the F1 cars are so dependant on over body aerodynamics that the turbulence created by all those ugly widgets and appendages makes it difficult for the cars to run together. Although the bikes have become more important, the rider is still the big deal in Moto GP; as long as this holds true, Moto GP will be just fine. Yeah Sato, the guy they wanted to sack every weekend!! What about Montoya? He was all balls to the wall, got punished for it numerous times & it took his spark away.

I just don't buy that aerodynamic turbulence is more than an excuse, a P.R turnaround for a drive dictated by the engineers. Brought on by the two race engine rule, it's impossible for them to dial up the power & pass because if it blows they start last next time out. F1 is all about settling for your position, because if you don't & you put your heart into it you get punished, one way or the other.

It's these silly little rules that Moto GP needs to avoid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Never mind, it all worked out in the end and hasn't damaged the sport. Do you think Aprilia sacked Capirossi directly for that or do yu think there could have been an element of clearing the path for Rossi? harada was off to ride 500 v twins anyway
no way of noing that for sure but i remember a lot of rivalry between capi and vale back in those days. mabe that was why may be not, but there friends now

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if he still feels the same now with hindsight. I thought quite a lot of it was unreasonable.
Of course I do. It was true then and it is true now, regardless of the outcome. Just because some people disagree doesn't make it not true. Most of the people that disagreed have rossie colored glasses anyway, the others, simply disagree with me. As far as ruining the sport, well that is a matter of opinion. If we have guys who are blind with envy going unchecked, that for sure would ruin it. It looks to me, that despite public chastisement, it was handled internally.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 29 2007, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you may want to watch it again to, haystack wasnt even on the tract just prior to that,he was on the run off put there .

Here is a link to the crash...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9JAg5PH_64


(Tom)And to say that Edwards was scared to be in front, what are you smoking? How many WSBK titles does Colin have?

Hayden will not repeat. Rossi made a mistake and Haystack had the title fall in his lap. Rossi will be world champ again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale46fan @ Feb 1 2007, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here is a link to the crash...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9JAg5PH_64
(Tom)And to say that Edwards was scared to be in front, what are you smoking? How many WSBK titles does Colin have?

Hayden will not repeat. Rossi made a mistake and Haystack had the title fall in his lap. Rossi will be world champ again.

I'm not saying Edwards is a bad rider, he has been underperformng for a wile now, but he is a solid racer and his superbike record speaks for itself. But however you want to say it he went into the last corner and dealt with it terribly. You can call it nerves or fear or pushing too hard, or simply making a mistake, its all the same. Bottom line is, when he met a true test of his strength he tripped, and he knows it.

As for Hayden having the title "fall in his lap", yeah right. World titles don't just happen. Do you even see the riders that arn't Rossi? The hard work, dedication and strong performances put in by Hayden were quite clear to see. You may not approve of the winner of the championship, but he earn't it fair and square by out performing your man.

Having watched the video again i think Haydens pretty fortunate to have knocked his bike into neutral because if he didn't colin would have had him off the track anyway, and the contact could have been the end of both of them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for Hayden having the title "fall in his lap", yeah right. World titles don't just happen. Do you even see the riders that arn't Rossi? The hard work, dedication and strong performances put in by Hayden were quite clear to see. You may not approve of the winner of the championship, but he earn't it fair and square by out performing your man.
I totally agree with you on this one!!
I don't think championships ''fall in people's lap''. Nicky fought hard all season, he did his best, and in the end he came out on top. That's the way it is. Eventhough I'm a huge Vale supporter, I am happy for Nicky and he did deserve it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Feb 1 2007, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I totally agree with you on this one!!
I don't think championships ''fall in people's lap''. Nicky fought hard all season, he did his best, and in the end he came out on top. That's the way it is. Eventhough I'm a huge Vale supporter, I am happy for Nicky and he did deserve it.

Very well said. You are the type of Rossi fan i can get along with (the type who actually likes motorbike racing)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very well said. You are the type of Rossi fan i can get along with (the type who actually likes motorbike racing)
I think everyone would get along with me, I don't bite..lol

I will be honest, I was kinda sad when Rossi didn't win the title last season, but that's more than obvious since I support the guy. Eventhough I wasn't too happy about that, I was happy for Nicky. He did deserve it and people shouldn't say otherwise. In the end it's not about wanting you're favourite one to win, it's about enjoying the sport, the excitement and the unpredictable..that's the beauty of it!!

I do hope ROSSI will kick some ... this season and beat em all!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 29 2007, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not gonna suggest that you hate Nicky or whatever. But i would like to mention the way you refer to Haydens Assen victory.

Correct me if i have misread this. But i don't think its particularly fair to discredit hayden for that win just because Edwards fell off. I mean Hayden was there, applying the pressure as hard as he could. And Pushing rivals into mistakes is a usefull tactics if the the oponent is weak in the mind.

So i could equaly claim that hayden was so strong that Edwards managed to get past Nicky and instantly pissed himslef in fear and crashed.
I read this and pissd me off, sorry.



Not saying Hayden didnt fight hard all season. Just saying that if Rossi wouldnt have made a mistake by pushing to hard on the front end that things would have turnd out different.

I don't dislike Hayden. I think I dislike his team more than anything because they think the bike is the most important part in the equation.

Simply put, its the beginning of a new era and all teams are learning the new machines. Although, what happend in the first season of MotoGP?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very well said. You are the type of Rossi fan i can get along with (the type who actually likes motorbike racing)


So, you are saying that I do not? Ummm ok

http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/index.php..._album&album=38

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale46fan @ Feb 1 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, you are saying that I do not? Ummm ok

Not necessarily, i don't know much about you. But i do come across people who seem concerned only with Rossi and nothing else in the sport, but i just leave them to it.

Having said that, i feel that the word "IF" will pretty much take you anywhere your imagination fancies, and so isn't too worthwile. But we all do it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not necessarily, i don't know much about you. But i do come across people who seem concerned only with Rossi and nothing else in the sport, but i just leave them to it.

Having said that, i feel that the word "IF" will pretty much take you anywhere your imagination fancies, and so isn't too worthwile. But we all do it

Not just a Rossi fan because of his 7 titles. The way he thinks on and off the track are alot like the way I think. Plus, he has a GOD givin talent to be able to get on anything and be fast. I didn't just jump on the wagon.

You don't have to explain why you like Rossi to me. I love the guy. I've just been following Hayden with growing affection ever since his AMA title year, and he has been my favorite for a wile now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very well said. You are the type of Rossi fan i can get along with (the type who actually likes motorbike racing)


Motorbike racing? whats that? I thought the guys that follow Rossi around were disciples!

Learn something new everyday!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale46fan @ Feb 1 2007, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not just a Rossi fan because of his 7 titles. The way he thinks on and off the track are alot like the way I think. Plus, he has a GOD givin talent to be able to get on anything and be fast. I didn't just jump on the wagon.
How can someone not like Rossi, right??
The man is fantastic! No doubts about it. It's definitely a pleasure to watch him ride the bike. When I started to watch moto (and that's only a few years ago) I was like..I'm not going to just support the man who's winning everything (and obviously that was Rossi), but..after watching a few races, I couldn't help myself for also becoming a Vale fan. He simply rulezzz!!

The fact is Hayden is World Champ. And yes "IF" can take you many places, but what happend, happend for a reason. As for the next World Champ, we will have to watch the 07 season as said before in this thread. But, I am pulling for Rossi, Edwards, and Hopper.