Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 2 2007, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Rossi picks the riders himself. And Simoncelli isn't fast enough, there are many better options in 250.
he may not pick the rider himself but i would bet he would have a say or yamaha ask his advise. and he aint that slow if you concider his ride

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Rossi can't have a say in the other rider, he's only allowed to know who it is. They've got Rossi through 2008 now, and he thinks it takes one year to learn the particulars of the M1. But it requres experience to ride and set up properly, like the Ducati. I think fresh rookies are bad choices for these teams.

well yamaha have 2 years now to think about it & i'm sure they'll ask his opinion about younger talent. yamaha need to get & groome a younger rider now. not wait until rossi leaves.

And as long as they operate a satellite package not really capaple of getting on the podium, a la Gresini, it will be hard to lure any younger riders away from other teams. It's gonna be two years anyway before we see any major changes in the current grid line-up.

i just don't get yamaha. all they think about is the here & now. rossi's been a yamaha man for 3 years now & still they make no real effort to secure young talent. stoopid.....

We'll soon find out if it was a mistake by yamaha to let Stoner slip through their fingers. This next two years would have been the perfect time to groom a younger rider in the factory team, with the pressure on Rossi for the wins. I don't get it either. The tech3 effort was a waste of time for all involved except Checa. Yamaha got nothing out of that at all, in fact a rekindled Carlos on a Honda isn't great news for Edwards, is it? No point worrying about 2007 now, but if they retain Edwards for 2008, it'll be a very bad move.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Feb 2 2007, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We'll soon find out if it was a mistake by yamaha to let Stoner slip through their fingers. This next two years would have been the perfect time to groom a younger rider in the factory team, with the pressure on Rossi for the wins. I don't get it either. The tech3 effort was a waste of time for all involved except Checa. Yamaha got nothing out of that at all, in fact a rekindled Carlos on a Honda isn't great news for Edwards, is it? No point worrying about 2007 now, but if they retain Edwards for 2008, it'll be a very bad move.
i would be sad to see edwards go but for the sake of yamaha's future in gp i think they have no choice

i'd like to see Jorge Lorenzo with Rossi, or even Dovi... i like Colin, but if he doesn't perform in 07...i'd say they make him a test rider...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 2 2007, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i just don't get yamaha. all they think about is the here & now. rossi's been a yamaha man for 3 years now & still they make no real effort to secure young talent. stoopid.....

Good old days… “Here & now!” Cannot remember which rider use to say that they could get pissed the night before the race, come in with a hangover and still bit the hell out these silly youngsters… Or something like that. Of course that cannot be done now with all these technology on one side, plus all that physical condition needed on the other, and the 'Safety first', etc. Nevertheless, what I mean is for an ‘Each Race’ philosophy the ‘Here & Now’ has got all passion within itself.

I know, as a team, Yamaha and that ‘Here and Now’ philosophy only gets a great rider to depend on every decade or so, though I do like it!

if yamaha would just support tech3. remember poor marco struggling on that lump of a bike? it almost ruined him before he got started. because yamaha give, what seems to be little to no support. yamaha get the bike's to tech3 & say have at it boy's & that's it. then the yama dingy springs leaks & tech3 sink to the bottom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 1 2007, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, I think I just made friends with a Rossi fan. Cool. It's all good. If Rossi win this year, I will be the first Hayden fan to give him his props.
I should have made my statement better than I did. All the riders in MotoGP are still human, granted some do some pretty damn unhumanlike things on those bikes, they are still human and make mistakes. Unfortunatly(sp?) this year Rossi and Yamaha made too many and Hayden and Honda made very little. Hayden deserved his World title that he has been chasing since he was little. All the riders in MotoGP are excellent riders or they wouldn't be there. And "IF"( ) Hayden does a repeat then <strike>good</strike> great for him.

As far as Edwards and Yamaha go, I think that they would rather have a rider that knows the machine and is very consistant. As far as Tech3 went, if I am not mistaken, Rossi tested all parts for Yamaha teams and they all had the same equiptment(sp?).

Honestly, I would like to see Hayden on a Yamaha. According to alot of ex-GP stars, the Yamaha package is the most complete(that is the 990cc was). Hopefully, I didn't stick my foot in my mouth this time anywhere. If so I only mean well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale46fan @ Feb 2 2007, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as Edwards and Yamaha go, I think that they would rather have a rider that knows the machine and is very consistant. As far as Tech3 went, if I am not mistaken, Rossi tested all parts for Yamaha teams and they all had the same equiptment(sp?).

Honestly, I would like to see Hayden on a Yamaha. According to alot of ex-GP stars, the Yamaha package is the most complete(that is the 990cc was). Hopefully, I didn't stick my foot in my mouth this time anywhere. If so I only mean well.

Firstly, i was under the impression that Carlos checa was getting parts in 06 after Rossi had something better to replace them with. Apparently james Ellison got almost no upgrades, and Colin was only a race or two behind. So it wasn't too bad, but not completely equal.

As for the Yamaha, i mentioned recently that it can be argued that the yamaha was the better bike in 2005 and 06, a lot of people seemed to think the idea was rediculous. I think they would have different strengths and weaknesses, but overall be quite even.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 2 2007, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Firstly, i was under the impression that Carlos checa was getting parts in 06 after Rossi had something better to replace them with. Apparently james Ellison got almost no upgrades, and Colin was only a race or two behind. So it wasn't too bad, but not completely equal.

As for the Yamaha, i mentioned recently that it can be argued that the yamaha was the better bike in 2005 and 06, a lot of people seemed to think the idea was rediculous. I think they would have different strengths and weaknesses, but overall be quite even.
I was under the impression they were equal but I was not 100% positive of that. I know when he was w/ Honda that they wew all equal, "according to Rossi" but you never really know until you are apart the team "Offficially".

I have to find the post I got my info from on the Yamaha being the best all round package. <strike>BRB w/ an update to my post.</strike>

Kevin Schwantz words on the motogps he tested in Valencia, one day after the last 2006 race:

M1: "The precise"

"Before giving me Rossi's bike the telemetry guys told me that a button on the left handlebar changes the engine mapping in 3 ways: free power (no limit) / wasted tire / race ending (tires are gone). They told me the M1 was exactly the same used the day before by VR. Maybe for that that was the Motogp i liked more. Stable front, transmits confidence, the front-rear weight transfer feeling is better than any of the others motogps. It's very balanced and works very well. Other good point, i and vale have almost the same weight and height and our way to setup is close too. The braking is immediate for example, different from NH, exactly as i always used it. The engine response is fast, but i suppose the honda guys have changed the first 3 gears on the rcv, i noted a big diffefrence in the response from the other gears above, really big. I liked the connection between the throttle and the rear wheel, it's instantaneous, in this point no bike can be compared with the m1 and you have no idea how much this is important. Changing direction is good but it's in the middle of the turns that the M1 has no rivals, it does the trajetory exactly as you want without work. I felt so calm on it that i forgot my own rule (to go at only 80% of my capacity) i was bold with the M1 and without the 2 mistakes i did i could have done my best overall lap on the M1. "

Granted that this is from from one person, Schwantz.

Here is the link to the original post....
http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3440

And I do think that this thread has went a bit off topic, so I must retire from it and move on to the next bit of trouble I can get myself into.
Hayden deserved his World Title!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 3 2007, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if yamaha would just support tech3. remember poor marco struggling on that lump of a bike? it almost ruined him before he got started. because yamaha give, what seems to be little to no support. yamaha get the bike's to tech3 & say have at it boy's & that's it. then the yama dingy springs leaks & tech3 sink to the bottom.

You realize if Yamaha do pull thier fingers out your precious Honda risk an end to their domination, Frosty?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jan 31 2007, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That would have made him..........................................
........................................more consistant!!!!!
I study english lit ... not language lol + when i get stressed out i get confused and cant think what im saying in my head and what im typinggg <3
Anyways! at the end of the dayy riders in moto gp will all have dropped their shoulders at the thought of rossi being around for 2008 as its just another year with a huge obstacle for them. If Rossi hadnt been around Gibernau, Melandri, Capirossi could all have been world champions . riders know Rossi is the one to beat <3 x No offence to Hayden fans but if a rider had to chose between having Rossi or Hayden right up their backside they'd fear Rossi more x

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<strike>Hayden deserved his World Title</strike>!

tinks said:

I study english lit ... not language lol + when i get stressed out i get confused and cant think what im saying in my head and what im typinggg <3

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Superb, I like that!
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Anyways! at the end of the dayy riders in moto gp will all have dropped their shoulders at the thought of rossi being around for 2008 as its just another year with a huge obstacle for them. If Rossi hadnt been around Gibernau, Melandri, Capirossi could all have been world champions . riders know Rossi is the one to beat <3 x No offence to Hayden fans but if a rider had to chose between having Rossi or Hayden right up their backside they'd fear Rossi more x
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Couldn't agree more.
Valentino lost consistency in '06, and it cost him the title. Good news that Valentino will be around until '08, two more years of excitement and showmanship in Moto GP at least.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Feb 3 2007, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You realize if Yamaha do pull thier fingers out your precious Honda risk an end to their domination, Frosty?
as long as the racing is good that's the way it'll have to be!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Feb 3 2007, 04:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I study english lit ... not language lol + when i get stressed out i get confused
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<strike>Hayden deserved his World Title</strike>!
I see this is one of your confused moments...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't expect big things from Hopper or Edwards. Maybe they could each win a race. But Edwards will just never be up at the front in the championship, he simply isn't good enough.
What's all this talk about Edwards not being good enough? Granted, I'm not exactly a fan of Colin, but I don't see why he should be replaced. His first year with Aprillia (enough said); He has been in the top 5 the next two years. And think for a moment who those ahead of him were. He is deserving of a ride. Why would Yamaha want to replace him with another "younger" rider if most of the good "younger" ones are already signed up. I like Casey, but frankly, I wouldn't have been running to sign him up, he reminds me of Xaus, pretty fast but would make a better career as a crash test dummy. Colin has been a World champ; he beat (or as pete would say "destroyed") Bayliss in WSBK. He is a veteran with great work ethic. He obviously knows how to win a championship (if at least its for his teammate) and was poised to win at Assen until he made a huge mistake. I don't think he's gonna dominate with the likes of Italian etal and Hayden to boot, but he has held his own. Certainly, I don't think Yamaha, has given him his fair shake, but if you had Rossi on your team, I think it would be hard to focus on the "other guy" too. I'm not sure about the characterization that Yamaha only thinks of the "here and now", they have won the second most championships to the mighty Honda of all the present manufactures. So there must be some future-planning going on. I totally agree with what Richo said about those "one-off" performances by Colin, which to me indicated a Yamaha “push” rather than a lackluster Colin for the other races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 3 2007, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What's all this talk about Edwards not being good enough? Granted, I'm not exactly a fan of Colin, but I don't see why he should be replaced.
because,if they dont start grooming a younger rider they will be in trouble after 08 when vale leavesit would make sence to get someone now as rossi could mentor then for a couple of years ,get there money out of the doctor.
i agree colin is good and i love the bloke but he is not yamahas future