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Little Walter said:
I just realized I read your post too fast. Yamaha screwing Zarco... that's different. I suppose it's possible. I have a hard time imagining Hervé Poncharal putting up with that. Again, I would think Yamaha wouldn't contrive to alienate Zarco. He's a pretty valuable asset. Imagine if (for whatever reason) Rossi retires soon, or Vinales goes to Honda. They'd want loyalty from Zarco.
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Thats what I was thinking Herve would lose it if swing arms started dropping.
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I suspect that Herve would go apeshit if he felt that his team were being mistreated, but at the same time, this is the first year in a large number where I reckon that they are a genuine chance to win a race as well due to their riders.

But, I am being conspiratorial only as I want to think that it would not happen deliberately, and I suspect that it would not .......... but there is still a nagging itch that a cream does not fix
 
Little Walter said:
Interesting. I expect his working with Ducati as a lot to do with management who are no longer around. He has, as Mike has recalled, that Stoner had a very warm relationship with most of the guys he worked with there. So, his return there isn't so surprising. In other words, it's Ducati that changed, not Stoner.
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Absolutely the right people gone and sometime to realizes what ducati means to himself. I don't think the good people at ducati ever blamed him for his decision to leave. So I'm sure they love having him back.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Thats awesome! I have no doubt he could ride the .... out of a mtb. Edit. I'm reading the article we race the same discipline. Its ....... on!
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Don't you go becoming a fan now :p

I mean, we could not cope with that ............
 
Gaz said:
Don't you go becoming a fan now :p

I mean, we could not cope with that ............
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Could you guys cope with me beating him in a race? I'm not saying I would. But just imagine it. Me on the top step of a podium with Casey below me. I'll do a handstand so you know its me.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Could you guys cope with me beating him in a race? I'm not saying I would. But just imagine it. Me on the top step of a podium with Casey below me. I'll do a handstand so you know its me.
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Depends.

Did you get tyres especially made for you only?
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Maxxis triple casing extra hard with 3c maxx grip cut nobbies. check.
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But were they just flown in for you or are they available for all?





On a serious side, I have walked a downhill MTB course and it was hard, never mind riding down the farker
 
Gaz said:
To me, that is what separates the very good from the brilliantly good - that single mindedness and absolute selfishness that their way and world is the only thing for them at that point in time.

There are many very good athletes who do not become great or even champions because they lack the selfishness (and this does not mean that they are selfish when out and about, I refer to selfish when at work).

My opinion only but when they lose this single minded selfishness is when the career will start to wane and whilst I do not think this was the case with CS (I genuinely feel that he 'fell out of love with the sport'), I do think that he loves to give a big FU to the establishment from time to time.

Not sure I fully get the last sentence but my take is that all that pissed him off at Ducati have moved on plus, if stories were right, Ducati sought him out due to the 2016 anniversary and him being their only MotoGP World Champion (although I would not be surprised if there was mutual contacting).

I do not think that he left Ducati for any reason other than feeling slighted by the few outside of the immediate race team over the illness although I also recall him saying that he wanted to emulate Doohan and ride for HRC so he may well have gone eventually.
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Stoner's career is well and truly over, it is what it was, and I genuinely don't care how people who disliked him when he was racing rate him in his retirement, or really how anyone wants to rate him period. I still find debating the occasional casual troll about his career amusing, but don't regard any regular members as trolls in regard to him, and those who dislike his personality are obviously entirely entitled to do so.

My beef is against self appointed moderation of the forum, particularly since it has become apparent to me that I almost certainly picked the wrong side when I engaged in an unpleasant flame war in relation to that issue a while back.
 
Gaz said:
But were they just flown in for you or are they available for all?





On a serious side, I have walked a downhill MTB course and it was hard, never mind riding down the farker
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Much harder to walk them than ride them. Skills plus technology in mountain biking is amazing. A lot of riders moto and road do it. Good training. Probably not that much safer than mx.
 
This really is a pointless discussion. Ive come to realize that Stoner fanatics view everything from the perspective that he spent an entire career being disadvantaged. Every discussion is woe is me.
I think everyone in GP should just quit, because using this logic, everone else is facing the same prejudices.
I haven't seen the movie but Im assuming 12 years a slave was about Stoners career.
Ive heard two seperate reasons on this thread why he left Ducati. There are neverending reasons why he left GP, left Ducati, left Honda, left Supercars, wont wildcard, but the ongoing narrative in all these events is that he was somehow wronged. Why don't we just call it Stoners law instead of Murphy's law. Ive never seen someone have so much go against him
 
Little Walter said:
So you're saying that the reasons he outlined in his pressers and his autobiography are bogus? Stoner was always known for being a straight shooter, and if anything, he was maligned for being too outspoken. But I don't remember anyone seriously implying he was dishonest or afraid of a challenge. Maybe it's because I admire him a lot, but I have not seen any evidence to dissuade me from the belief that with Stoner, it was anything other than a, what you see is what you get proposition. He was very plain spoken. I can see from your point of view, in that, it's hard to conceive of someone coming that far, and accomplishing that much at a young age, just walking away from it all. Hard to believe that screwing a cute wife, dandling a baby, bicycling, surfing and fishing could be satisfying enough to replace racing. Sounds like something an older guy would say. I figure he just had strong ideas of what his priorities were.
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Who the hell read books?
 
michaelm said:
Stoner's career is well and truly over, it is what it was, and I genuinely don't care how people who disliked him when he was racing rate him in his retirement, or really how anyone wants to rate him period. I still find debating the occasional casual troll about his career amusing, but don't regard any regular members as trolls in regard to him, and those who dislike his personality are obviously entirely entitled to do so.

My beef is against self appointed moderation of the forum, particularly since it has become apparent to me that I almost certainly picked the wrong side when I engaged in an unpleasant flame war in relation to that issue a while back.
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Thing is Mike, no matter who, what, where, when or how people try to diminish his achievements (real or perceived), the fact remains that he indeed had a career in the sport that so many of us wish we were even 1/100th as capable as he and all those that reach his level.

All of these riders give fun, pleasure and excitement to those that watch the sport and I suspect that we all watch in awe at what they can do so for me, personally the fact that riders like Stoner achieve at that level means that in so many way I cannot question why he left as personally, I cannot begin to understand the pressures of being an athlete at that level.

All I do is admire is what we had and as I sit here typing this, I more admire that unlike so many he has been true to his word of not returning full time to what he called the circus as he no longer wants it.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
I read an article about Casey Stoner and liked it and they say people can't change.
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Shhh what you say, people may misconstrue your meaning and start to think you maybe be .............. you know .............. turning to the other side

:p


Have to admit though, some of the .... I find online that interest me (from time to time) is quite enlightening given that we (in Oz) may not get the magazine or have the issue reported.


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Funny though how often we have an attitude towards someone, then see something and we think woah there, they do that .............. and nope, not suggesting you are softening but from personal experience I have had athletes I have thought '........' (or similar) then see or hear stories and do sometimes change my tune on them.
 
Gaz said:
Shhh what you say, people may misconstrue your meaning and start to think you maybe be .............. you know .............. turning to the other side

:p


Have to admit though, some of the .... I find online that interest me (from time to time) is quite enlightening given that we (in Oz) may not get the magazine or have the issue reported.


Edit to add:
Funny though how often we have an attitude towards someone, then see something and we think woah there, they do that .............. and nope, not suggesting you are softening but from personal experience I have had athletes I have thought '........' (or similar) then see or hear stories and do sometimes change my tune on them.
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You know I never have had a negative attitude toward the person Casey is or his accomplishments or what I witnessed watching him ride. Hate is a strong word I've never used about him. I have tons of respect for him but I also saw things and what I saw is what I debate. It would be more disrespectful if I was media not some dude on a internet forum asking opinions making jokes. I've been at races he was at, he dodged me once too though.
 
Gaz said:
To me, that is what separates the very good from the brilliantly good - that single mindedness and absolute selfishness that their way and world is the only thing for them at that point in time.

There are many very good athletes who do not become great or even champions because they lack the selfishness (and this does not mean that they are selfish when out and about, I refer to selfish when at work).

My opinion only but when they lose this single minded selfishness is when the career will start to wane and whilst I do not think this was the case with CS (I genuinely feel that he 'fell out of love with the sport'), I do think that he loves to give a big FU to the establishment from time to time.

Not sure I fully get the last sentence but my take is that all that pissed him off at Ducati have moved on plus, if stories were right, Ducati sought him out due to the 2016 anniversary and him being their only MotoGP World Champion (although I would not be surprised if there was mutual contacting).

I do not think that he left Ducati for any reason other than feeling slighted by the few outside of the immediate race team over the illness although I also recall him saying that he wanted to emulate Doohan and ride for HRC so he may well have gone eventually.
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Totally forgot about that. :cool:
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
You know I never have had a negative attitude toward the person Casey is or his accomplishments or what I witnessed watching him ride. Hate is a strong word I've never used about him. I have tons of respect for him but I also saw things and what I saw is what I debate. It would be more disrespectful if I was media not some dude on a internet forum asking opinions making jokes. I've been at races he was at, he dodged me once too though.
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I saw him when he was still Crashy. Looked happy and interacted pleasantly with the 3 fans that knew who he was.
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
This really is a pointless discussion. Ive come to realize that Stoner fanatics view everything from the perspective that he spent an entire career being disadvantaged. Every discussion is woe is me.
I think everyone in GP should just quit, because using this logic, everone else is facing the same prejudices.
I haven't seen the movie but Im assuming 12 years a slave was about Stoners career.
Ive heard two seperate reasons on this thread why he left Ducati. There are neverending reasons why he left GP, left Ducati, left Honda, left Supercars, wont wildcard, but the ongoing narrative in all these events is that he was somehow wronged. Why don't we just call it Stoners law instead of Murphy's law. Ive never seen someone have so much go against him
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As I have just said, I am comfortable with you disliking Stoner and consider you completely entitled to do so or with you rating him however you wish, and I have no desire to have any ongoing dispute in regard to him in the 5th year of his retirement with you in particular.

I don't think the manzanilla sherry has as yet done in enough of my cerebral cortex to cause any significant deterioration in my up till now always excellent memory though, and I have a very clear recollection of the events of 2009 which accords with Birdman's, and with what Stoner said in his later book. When he missed those races in 2009 the Marlboro guy and the general Ducati management along with most of the paddock decided he was flaky, Arrivabene publicly accusing him of malingering, and they were looking to replace him, making a big money offer to Lorenzo in the first instance, far more than they were paying Stoner.

Last time I was accused (by JKant) of inventing something for my own purposes btw, it was in regard to the 2012 tyre vote, which strangely JKant's ultimate authority, Kropotkin, also recalled when another tire vote was held this year.
 
I have a solution to all this bickering. If we a just follow the 10 Stommandments, we could get along just fine.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make yellow idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the 2007 season, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your hot wife and your daughter
6. You shall not say mystery illness
7. You shall not commit to any employer for long
8. You shall not steel hopes of a return
9. You shall not bear false ambitions against your talent
10. You shall not covet his retired lifestyle, or else be branded a jealous hater
 

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