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I believe this is a fair implication of Boneheadness on Rossi's part...........Anyway clutching at straws by saying that the move was desperate is really quite petty, and then adding levels of desperation like you have above-note your preference is 'controlled desperation' is even more petty. Not too mention a little arrogant to suggest you know how someone like VR 'should' have been feeling and acting on track to suit your standards
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I believe that all of the riders in Motogp should be absolutely desperate to win, this is why they are there. Controlling that desperation-as you say is the key to safer racing. But of course the former should outweigh the latter in the case above -otherwise we aren't seeing a race, but moreover a controlled display of riding. And Rossi has proved time and ,and time again that he can pass safely and successfully whether it's motives lie in desperation or not, which is of course impossible to prove unless you are Rossi.



So when you unequivocally state that 'rossi move on hayden was desperate' and then state that 'desperation can lead to bone head moves' then if we are considering the weekends race and the passes executed by rossi in that race, as I said you would have to then label all of the others riders I previously mentioned and more as 'Desperate' and 'capable of Bonehead moves', as many of them have executed passes similar and worse even-then the only thing different is they didn't/haven't/aren't suffering the same ridicule from albeit-and thankfully-a very select minority.



Have faith Gaz, and don't doubt that these guys are Desperate, as they should be, and the best know how to control it to win, certainly to much greater levels than you and I can ever imagine or comprehend.





EDIT: Nah stuff it, couldn't be bothered
 
Good to see that you have a sense of humour Lizard Man. The heat reference was a sunny Queensland shot - me being in cold old Sydney at the moment.



As for Laguna, a long time ago now I know. Rossi did go in too hot but didn't have much choice about his re-entry to the track. It wasn't like he had time to look around and change his line while on the dirt for that tenth of a second or whatever it was.



I believe in one set of rules for all and I don't think anyone on here honestly wants one rider to just be allowed to do whatever they like. I'm not convinced that's the case so next time someone gets a warning for something that Rossi has got away with, I'll be the first to say that the wrong thing has happened.



I'm sure another rider or two said the same things as Rossi regarding the weather but being Rossi, it was mentioned in the news. You know how little attention mainstream Australian media pays to MotoGP (with the exception of Channel 10). End of the day, Rossi didn't get his bike setup well enough in the space of time that all riders had to do the same. Noone to blame other than himself and I don't think he was blaming anyone else.



Other riders were commenting that the wind was causing them to lose the front coming down the straight or into turn one. That is pretty dangerous given the speed involved. As to whether or not the event should be held in October - are the conditions like that every year or was it unusually bad weather??? I tend to think it is the latter. When would be an alternative time to hold it - push the Superbikes out in April.



I did comment on Rossi waving his fist towards Asparagus but in slightly different words. I said that he'd better not do it every second week otherwise he'd get a reputation. With that would come plenty of comments on Powerslide (and I'm sure Rossi pays a lot of attention to this site).



If you recall the bashing of Stoner regarding fist waving, it was happening every second event. Around the same time Spies had a fist wave and a couple of others did as well but it wasn't a frequent event so they didn't trigger the same reaction.



Actually I use to race bikes (250) and I raced at PI once when it was wet and windy. Now I certainly wasn't doing anywhere near the speeds these boys where doing but it certain was scary. I was cranked over going over the top of lukey heights when the wind just dropped, well so did a .... right into my leathers!



I certainly see their point of view lol!



Cheers



Gecko Hunter AKA Lizard Man
 
So...if Stoner can win a race on the Duc then he has no excuse for not winning the championship? Did I understand you correctly? Y'know, me being a noob an all? I just want to clarify. Could you be more clear, please? People with my IQ level often have trouble deciphering the logic of morons...





So now your saying that you didn't understand the logic of Gecko Hunter
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because he was the one who was trying to make some kind of logic with his stupid statement ........ Its about time for you to start reading first before you reply
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I think Honda have already sent "the message" to Puig etc., hiring Stoner says nothing but "we believe we have the bike ...... but not the rider". Surely they would not go so far then drop it and not back Stoner 100% if Puig gets all "Puigy".



Stoner has only 2 more wins to be number 6 in the alltime winners list,

pretty sure that should at least happen in 2011 who knows maybe even he could do it this year then, Pedrosa is nowhere near that ......... Honda will be aware
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And he has doubled the performance of Pedrosa in the Motogp class http://www.motorsportsetc.com/stats/st_gpwin.htm

I am sure you are correct about what honda were thinking when they made the decision to hire stoner, which may have been last year. Pedrosa then proceeded to have a good season and stoner a poor one until recently, and suppo has apparently not brought the sponsorship which is the alleged reason for his hiring, so the situation could quite possibly have become more fluid. I am a little puzzled with regard to suppo as I thought he ran the ducati racing team in the role guareschi now has rather than ducati marketing but there you go.



I am a little concerned that there is as yet no talk of the hrc structure for next year, or any sign of excitement from honda about stoner's advent; perhaps they are being japanese and respecting him still being under contract to ducati but I don't know.



I think they are desperate to win the 2011 championship and yet another injury derailing dani's 5th bid for a championship, perhaps unfairly as it seems to have possibly been honda's fault, will stop them being entirely confident in dani. It is interesting to think how the championship might have gone though; I guess we will never know how conservative jorge has been, whether he really has been close to running out of engines , or whether ducati and honda actually did improve.



I think casey would be well advised to be fast from the get-go.
 
Just got home from the island, the weather was as usual .........!!!!!!!. Stoner was in a class of his own watching him go through turn 12 on the opening laps was scary. Good fight for 3rd Hayden made a huge effort but couldn't hold of the doc. During the podium celebration , i was a bit disappointed that SOME muppet rossi fans were booing the 2010 motogp champ when he recieved his trophy for 2nd place.. . . . . . . .Any way roll on the PORTUGUESE GP.
 
So now your saying that you didn't understand the logic of Gecko Hunter
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because he was the one who was trying to make some kind of logic with his stupid statement ........ Its about time for you to start reading first before you reply
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LOL INAM!



Don't bring me into it.



Your the one who made the weird ... statement.



I was merely throwing it out there that Rossi should have no reason not to win on the Ducati now Casey has been winning on it.



It was a poorly worded sentence by yourself that got you into the poo lol.



Cheers



Gecko Hunter
 
So now your saying that you didn't understand the logic of Gecko Hunter
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because he was the one who was trying to make some kind of logic with his stupid statement ........ Its about time for you to start reading first before you reply
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I wasn't replying to anything Gecko said. Unlike anything you've ever said, what he's written has some kind of logic to support it. He posted that because Stoner has now won races on the Ducati, Rossi will now have no excuse if he doesn't win races. Makes sense, yeah? You replied to him that because Stoner has now won on the Ducati, then he now has no excuse for not winning on the Ducati. This might be the stupidest assertion in the history of the written word but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you were being funny/ sarcastic/ ironic........



I'm assuming of course that you are aware that while Stoner has won 23 races on the Ducati, his team-mates at the time have won a grand total of one race/s. That's right, one. And even that win could be considered lucky. But you knew that, of course.





As to being a "......."....coming from the likes of you, I will take that as a compliment. Thanks.
 
I was merely throwing it out there that Rossi should have no reason not to win on the Ducati now Casey has been winning on it.







I wasn't replying to anything Gecko said. Unlike anything you've ever said, what he's written has some kind of logic to support it. He posted that because Stoner has now won races on the Ducati, Rossi will now have no excuse if he doesn't win races. Makes sense, yeah?



If you two take your red glasses off then you will see that Casey stoner has been looking for excuses all year long. He starts winning races all of sudden without receiving any further development which clearly shows that there was nothing wrong with the bike from the very start basically It was all down to rider errors and his motivation to some extent.



Whether Rossi can win on Ducati only time will tell.
 
those who think THAT was hard passing need to move on to another sport..maybe golf.. poker perhaps... the passes of the past few years are NOTHING compared to passes done in the 500/990 days.. real racing.



Maybe MotoGP should do away completely with Race Day... Just run FP's and Q... top time wins... sounds great hu.
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+1 brother,as it was once said.......`it ain`t a knitting competition`!
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If you two take your red glasses off then you will see that Casey stoner has been looking for excuses all year long. He starts winning races all of sudden without receiving any further development which clearly shows that there was nothing wrong with the bike from the very start basically It was all down to rider errors and his motivation to some extent.



Whether Rossi can win on Ducati only time will tell.



Who wants to take a wager that Rossi will win a race earlier in the calendar next year than it took Casey to win one this year?

I'm not expecting Rossi to win his first race but im sure he'll win something.

All you stoner boners, what's the reason for stoner not winning at the start of the year. He was winning at the end of last year and now the end of this year. Maybe he just likes backing it in. Not bagging him, I'm just illustrating that even the great Casey stoner doesn't win them all and things can take time to sort out. How long it takes to sort out determines whether the rider has a shot at the championship that year.



The yamaha was quick out of the box this year which made lorenzos job easy. Both the Honda and duke had issues that the riders had to get their heads around.
 
If you two take your red glasses off then you will see that Casey stoner has been looking for excuses all year long. He starts winning races all of sudden without receiving any further development which clearly shows that there was nothing wrong with the bike from the very start basically It was all down to rider errors and his motivation to some extent.



Whether Rossi can win on Ducati only time will tell.

My "red glasses" don't stop me from seeing that Stoner has 23 race wins to 1 against guys on the same bike. Those riders include Hayden (a world champion), Capirossi (a world champion and multiple race winner), and Melandri (a multiple race winner). You made a moronic statement and got called on it. It's happened to all of us. Suck it up, admit you were wrong, and move on.



That's right - 23 race wins to ONE. 23, btw, is more than any other rider in the last four years. Or is my vision distorted, seeing as I'm looking through these red glasses? I don't have any problem with Rossi, who I'm guessing is your favourite rider (?), but your avatar suggests you have some kind of issue with Stoner.
 
If you two take your red glasses off then you will see that Casey stoner has been looking for excuses all year long. He starts winning races all of sudden without receiving any further development which clearly shows that there was nothing wrong with the bike from the very start basically It was all down to rider errors and his motivation to some extent.



Whether Rossi can win on Ducati only time will tell.



So I'm guessing that Nicky is suffering from the lack of motivation, rider errors and has just been giving excuses all year long also?



As Casey has gotten more successful through out the year so to has Nicky.



Whilst some would question Stoner's work ethics I am yet to see any that question Nicky's.



So what is it the bike or the ride"ERS"? It can't be both according to your rational.



And it has nothing to do with red glasses all I was stating is that Rossi has no excuse now for not winning as he is a better rider than Stoner and Stoner being the lesser rider has won 3 races and achieved a bag of podiums. So accordingly Rossi being so much better should achieve the same or more as a minimum.



Thats it in a nut shell.



The reason I have put this into the lime light is because of the comments made by Rossi towards Stoner not necessarily just because I'm a Stoner fan.



Cheers



Lizard Ma..oops Gecko Hunter.
 
Who wants to take a wager that Rossi will win a race earlier in the calendar next year than it took Casey to win one this year?

I'm not expecting Rossi to win his first race but im sure he'll win something.

All you stoner boners, what's the reason for stoner not winning at the start of the year. He was winning at the end of last year and now the end of this year. Maybe he just likes backing it in. Not bagging him, I'm just illustrating that even the great Casey stoner doesn't win them all and things can take time to sort out. How long it takes to sort out determines whether the rider has a shot at the championship that year.



The yamaha was quick out of the box this year which made lorenzos job easy. Both the Honda and duke had issues that the riders had to get their heads around.

I'll take a wager that Stoner wins one before Rossi does. How's that for fair?



You're right though, Stoner doesn't win them all - he just wins more than anyone else.
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You claim, several times, that this is so simple while a clean pass is something much more difficult, I guess they don't have clean passes in AMA and club races around you?



The rest weren't even worth the bandwith.



Yo Fishy - yer post doesn't make any sense. Type slower.
 
I'll take a wager that Stoner wins one before Rossi does. How's that for fair?



You're right though, Stoner doesn't win them all - he just wins more than anyone else.
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go back and read Woods quote, he's saying that it will take less time for Rossi to win a race next year than it took Stoner to win this year.
 

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