Australian GP **RACE**

Jumkie said:

I had already gave you the context but you ignored it. That's why these threads get so long. Because even after the question is answered out pops the issue again. So again, context, Nicky didn't complain about Pedro's torpedo. That's the context to read Nicky's reaction to Rossi, its all good. Basically you would need to shoot him with a shot gun for him to say, yo, that's not cool man.

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You ...... Nicky was swearing and throwing a right paddy after that estoril incident

chopperman said:

NO they dont ! They show Hayden well wide before the turn and rossi riding the perfect line through the turn. Hayden tryed to get on the apex but it was to late, rossi was already there ! I thought Hayden then really showed his class by getting back on the gas to answer straight back. Hayden made a mistake and lost a place, he then rode like a god to re-claim it only be be passed yet again. Was great racing and im hopping for more of the same next race.

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You can't even get your passes straight. Lost a place? So which pass are you talking about, the first one where Hayden lost two places because Rossi crossed his line, or the second one where he was run wide. Even your boy Talps and Rossiofsky noted that Rossi's first pass was executed poorly. Quicky, have a meeting so you guys can get your defense straight.

Jumkie said:

You can't even get your passes straight. Lost a place? So which pass are you talking about, the first one where Hayden lost two places because Rossi crossed his line, or the second one where he was run wide. Even your boy Talps and Rossiofsky noted that Rossi's first pass was executed poorly. Quicky, have a meeting so you guys can get your defense straight.

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I speak for myself mate, not talpa or rossieofsky. im not working as a gang umlike you,pov kesh and berry

So are you telling me that first pass rossi was off his line? no your saying he parked it running hayden wide. thats racing my friend !

chopperman said:

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Nicky was swearing and throwing a right paddy after that estoril incident

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I'm sure he was having a similar spout in his helmet when he crossed the line at PI. (check him out slamming his tank) But what did he say in the interview? "Rossi good, me bad." Much to my chagrin. (Thanks for throwing me under the bus Nicky, ....... Mother Theresa!)

chopperman said:

Im not so sure they made contact either. i watched the race several times and looking at Hayden it does not appear he was actually touched. He was not "pushed" off-line, he was hung out due to a block pass. That line rossi took was way open. It not like the simonchelli move where there was not a line through but he barged his way in regardless.  All the Haters have conveniently ignored those photos.

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No, they never touched, and Hayden was Certainly not pushed.

If you have watched that 1 min slow motion after the race (in it's high lights, Eurosport UK), you know it better.

can i upload it's video in this thread?

Jumkie said:

I'm sure he was having a similar spout in his helmet when he crossed the line at PI. (check him out slamming his tank) But what did he say in the interview? "Rossi good, me bad." Much to my chagrin. (Thanks for throwing me under the bus Nicky, ....... Mother Theresa!)

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I think it was more ".... not 4th again, i ....... nearly had that 3rd". I bet he enjoyed that battle. he was just gutted he lost it like any racer worth his salt.

.... Jumkie, I didn't see this pic..! Looks like Rossi is kicking Hayden in the head to gain the advantage!!

Guess you were right, Rossi is one dirty ..............

Gaz said:

Where am I implying VR's move was boneheaded - or are you looking for my comments to say that given our (yes our) past history.



It is my opinion (note the word) that the first move of VR's was desperate - and from comments of others it would seem that my description seems fair. Nowhere do I or would I suggest that it was boneheaded as it was a desperate racing move - no more, no less.



Again, I have not invented any levels as you imply but I instead indicated that (and you said this not me) that as racers are desperate than all moves are borne of desperation, some work, some don't and some bring criticism whereas others do not.



For boneheaded moves, look no further than Wayne Maxwell's post incident efforts in Moto2 as an example.



Nope, it is you who is suggesting that VR's move was boneheaded not I and no doubt you will try to twist, turn, pirouette and perhaps even throw in a back somersault with a three quarter twist to try to prove that I implied such, fact is I did not.



Have fun.



Gaz

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Rossi's move on Hayden was that of desperation.



The problem is that desperation can and does lead to incidents that at times can lead to innocents involved suffering unfairly as the result.



A rider could have their bike damaged, the person injured, could be run off track or lose a tow, all things that can cost a rider time and ultimately position.



The over-riding and pleasing aspect of the MG pass was for me that Hayden was able to regroup and make the time lost back up, then take the fight up again (ultimately to lose) as many have in the past not done so. That aspect said more about where Hayden was (and hopefully is) in terms of mental approach as he is sadly a rider many dismiss as not being genuinely top flight.



Desperation by itself is no problem, but desperation can and often does lead to bone head moves that end in tears for many and occasionally the medical centre. If you want desperation in your racing, so be it, and I tend to agree but I want controlled desperation and not out of control desperation that leads to medical situations





Gaz





I believe this is a fair implication of Boneheadness on Rossi's part...........Anyway clutching at straws by saying that the move was desperate is really quite petty, and then adding levels of desperation like you have above-note your preference is 'controlled desperation' is even more petty. Not too mention a little arrogant to suggest you know how someone like VR 'should' have been feeling and acting on track to suit your standards



I believe that all of the riders in Motogp should be absolutely desperate to win, this is why they are there. Controlling that desperation-as you say is the key to safer racing. But of course the former should outweigh the latter in the case above -otherwise we aren't seeing a race, but moreover a controlled display of riding. And Rossi has proved time and ,and time again that he can pass safely and successfully whether it's motives lie in desperation or not, which is of course impossible to prove unless you are Rossi.



So when you unequivocally state that 'rossi move on hayden was desperate' and then state that 'desperation can lead to bone head moves' then if we are considering the weekends race and the passes executed by rossi in that race, as I said you would have to then label all of the others riders I previously mentioned and more as 'Desperate' and 'capable of Bonehead moves', as many of them have executed passes similar and worse even-then the only thing different is they didn't/haven't/aren't suffering the same ridicule from albeit-and thankfully-a very select minority.



Have faith Gaz, and don't doubt that these guys are Desperate, as they should be, and the best know how to control it to win, certainly to much greater levels than you and I can ever imagine or comprehend.

chopperman said:

Who gives a .... what pov has posted

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Reg.! ?

news1213 said:

.... Jumkie, I didn't see this pic..! Looks like Rossi is kicking Hayden in the head to gain the advantage!!

Guess you were right, Rossi is one dirty ..............

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News brings the news!

Jumkie. your are right about Hayden always holding his tongue after he gets worked.

























































Except Misano 2009 (the fruity helmet incident)

news1213 said:

.... Jumkie, I didn't see this pic..! Looks like Rossi is kicking Hayden in the head to gain the advantage!!

Guess you were right, Rossi is one dirty ..............

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Thanks News!



Perhaps now is not a good time to tell you I've changed my mind.







THREAD!

MdubSTYLIE said:

Jumkie. your are right about Hayden always holding his tongue after he gets worked.



Except Misano 2009 (the fruity helmet incident)

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I was trying to end this thread on a positive note thanks to News. Anyway, GayAngelis, first of all Nicky was simply stating a fact, his helmet is "fruity". And 2nd, it doesn't count cuz hes a ....

rossiofsky said:

No, they never touched, and Hayden was Certainly not pushed.

If you have watched that 1 min slow motion after the race (in it's high lights, Eurosport UK), you know it better.

can i upload it's video in this thread?

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Not sure. When we were testing the new site we could upload small .AVI files. Not sure if ben activated it on the main site yet due to server issues. you can try Only other way is upload to youtube then post the link but it could get your youtube account banned?

Jumkie said:

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Thanks News!

Perhaps now is not a good time to tell you I've changed my mind.

THREAD!

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Oh snap! D.P. Right on hayden!

Jumkie said:

I was trying to end this thread on a positive note thanks to News. Anyway, GayAngelis doesn't count cuz hes a ....

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Jumkie said:

I was trying to end this thread on a positive note thanks to News. Anyway, GayAngelis, first of all Nicky was simply stating a fact, his helmet is "fruity". And 2nd, it doesn't count cuz hes a ....

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I will end it on a ironic and funny note. ive just realized ive been arguing with you while wearing my Hayden bro's boxer shorts you sent me

Jumkie said:

Rossi's move on Nicky was legal. And typical of his brand of racing.



About the reaction on the thread:



What the ....! Not surprising, all this reaction over one very simple perspective: that one man can do no wrong. Look here, all this response is to basically JK and myself saying Rossi resorted to a desperate dirty move. That’s it. That’s right folks; we did NOT say it was unfair or illegal. Nobody crashed or taken to the grass, right? So why the overreaction? Answer: The overreacting by flustered defenders have exaggerated the characterization to pad their own empty argument; that is they can only accept that Rossi is incapable of moves characterized other than perfect, precise & in goodfaith. Geez, talk about obsession.





Talpa, Rossiofsky, and Factory, I don’t have enough Internet space to tell you just how wrong you boys are today.



You guys just can’t stand for somebody to characterize Rossi’s move other than perfect. Take a look at your replies, you are arguing nothing other than trying to convince peeps these were not desperate moves. You guys dismiss this idea of professional etiquette, but in the same breath discount others for similar ..... BTW, take a look at the post race podium interview, listen to your boy complain about his bike. I’m sure you didn’t notice it, but yes, he is capable of complaining similar to the .... you guys claim about Stoner. In the end, Nicky didn’t complain about the move. Unlike Rossi did when referring to Elias. Perhaps you may want to cut & past everything you guys have said here and direct all your overreaction to VR’s fan club email, since everything you guys have said here applies.



Whether you guys want to accept it or not, there is racing etiquette. Rossi himself aluded to it when he complained about Elias' move at Trukey. You guys just believe only Rossi has never overstepped that unwritten racing professionalism. That's what you guys are desperate to argue. That's what this thread has become about. Yes, the racing was spectacular, no doubt. And its also ok to characterize a move as desperate to decide the podium. Its part of the discussion, except in the minds of some.

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It's clear who is desprate in this thread to have the vote of max, and still most people in this thread (some of Hayden fans, some of Stoner fans and Rossi fans) have no problem with that last overtake at all.

chopperman said:

I will end it on a ironic and funny note. ive just realized ive been arguing with you while wearing my Hayden bro's boxer shorts you sent me

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2nd attempt: THREAD!





Rossiofsky, you're a ....! (sorry, was inspired before I clicked.)

chopperman said:

Not sure. When we were testing the new site we could upload small .AVI files. Not sure if ben activated it on the main site yet due to server issues. you can try

Only other way is upload to youtube then post the link but it could get your youtube account banned?

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You tube isn't good for this.

I go to cut it, then we'll see.