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Throw a yellow shirt on those gals and you have your prototypical Rossi fan

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In your opinion which if where honest is not worth much around here these days. You have shown your hand and we have all seen it

Hell guys and gals, I was just glad to see Hayden fight back and ride well and be towards the pointy end...even though it's PI(one of Nick's fav tracks), still good to see Hayden fight. I can't wait till next round to see if the Duc's arrive at the pointy end again.

You gotta knolw that Val was happy to be sucking a little Ducati exhaust there at the end, knowing full well he can turn that bike into scapel next year.

Rossi's move on Nicky was legal. And typical of his brand of racing.



About the reaction on the thread:



What the ....! Not surprising, all this reaction over one very simple perspective: that one man can do no wrong. Look here, all this response is to basically JK and myself saying Rossi resorted to a desperate dirty move. That’s it. That’s right folks; we did NOT say it was unfair or illegal. Nobody crashed or taken to the grass, right? So why the overreaction? Answer: The overreacting by flustered defenders have exaggerated the characterization to pad their own empty argument; that is they can only accept that Rossi is incapable of moves characterized other than perfect, precise & in goodfaith. Geez, talk about obsession.



And just look at the defense at saying it’s desperate: J4rno has repeatedly said, these are difficult moves to pull off (yes, of course but…) and concludes nobody else possesses that kind of skill. Breathtaking logic and perspective, so he’s saying everybody else (including aliens) simply do not possess the skill to pull off a pass making contact and running rival wide? So clean passes are less difficult by that convoluted logic. He believes because others have resorted, therefore they are incapable. No other possible explanation? Curvy, the short quip artist repeatedly telling us to become fans of another sport (an the less original follow suit) but make no case other than the move was “hard”. Well no .... Sherlock, and you can add fair, and legal, but how exactly is this invitation a rebuttal for our characterization of the move? I guess it’s hard to get that much logic in one sentence.



And its not like we don’t have any history to go on, we can all point to at least three other similar moves (this by far the most mild) that have gone into lore. And yes, the same peeps tell us they were precise and not desperate, as if sending a guy into the gravel or himself taking a gravel shortcut was intentionally precise. So this is enough anybody needs to know about their logic stemming from this unique perspective about the man.



Oh, and Babel, who’s unique vision can see the internals of a bike and the millimeter hand actions of riders standing from behind a chain link fence at a GP, yes this guys is outraged that one tries to compare the premier national level racing to GP. Certainly no comparison can be made, right? (Sarcasm) But you can claim credibility to your opinion because you have club raced at some .... circuit with most likely .... competition from wherever .... hole you’re from with a riding season about near equal to the riding season at the north pole. Newsflash superman club racer, you actually can extrapolate comparisons when it comes to the mechanics of basic passing as the rules of physic and racing craft don’t cease to exist simply because they cease to exist in your mind.



Talpa, Rossiofsky, and Factory, I don’t have enough Internet space to tell you just how wrong you boys are today.



You guys just can’t stand for somebody to characterize Rossi’s move other than perfect. Take a look at your replies, you are arguing nothing other than trying to convince peeps these were not desperate moves. You guys dismiss this idea of professional etiquette, but in the same breath discount others for similar ..... BTW, take a look at the post race podium interview, listen to your boy complain about his bike. I’m sure you didn’t notice it, but yes, he is capable of complaining similar to the .... you guys claim about Stoner. In the end, Nicky didn’t complain about the move. Unlike Rossi did when referring to Elias. Perhaps you may want to cut & past everything you guys have said here and direct all your overreaction to VR’s fan club email, since everything you guys have said here applies.



Whether you guys want to accept it or not, there is racing etiquette. Rossi himself aluded to it when he complained about Elias' move at Trukey. You guys just believe only Rossi has never overstepped that unwritten racing professionalism. That's what you guys are desperate to argue. That's what this thread has become about. Yes, the racing was spectacular, no doubt. And its also ok to characterize a move as desperate to decide the podium. Its part of the discussion, except in the minds of some.

Jumkie said:

Rossi's move on Nicky was legal. And typical of his brand of racing.



About the reaction on the thread:



What the ....! Not surprising, all this reaction over one very simple perspective:

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Yeah, all this reaction because 1 rider actually dared overtake another to get a podium. You don't get that every race, well not unless it's a certain vr who dares to overtake a certain american who's fans are real sore losers !  Just look at who the only members complaining are ! didn't her them moan after Aragon Double standards and bad losers. It would appear even Hayden himself had no problem with the move, a move he has also used to gain an advantage. Stick to Nascrap mate.

chopperman said:

Yeah, all this reaction because 1 rider actually dared overtake another to get a podium. You don't get that every race, well not unless it's a certain vr who dares to overtake a certain american who's fans are real sore losers !  Just look at who the only members complaining are ! didn't her them moan after Aragon

Double standards and bad losers. It would appear even Hayden himself had no problem with the move, a move he has also used to gain an advantage. Stick to Nascrap mate.

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Are you saying Hayden's pass on Lorenzo was the same? You ask if this is a double standard, well first of all, these moves were totally different, Hayden didn't make contact and run Lorenzo wide, this is the difference. Where did you get the idea that those moves are similar? Because you want to believe Factory or some other person? I'm sure you saw them yourself. Hayden makes a clean pass for the podium, Lorenzo doesn't even pick up his bike unlike when Rossi passed Hayden the first time. Rossi makes a block pass, parks its, makes contact, runs Nicky wide. Do we need to start this whole thread over? Its legal, but dirty. That's what you are arguing now too? That you can't stand the characterization? What is it exactly you are arguing here? Stick to Nascrap, hahahaha, the most ironic part of your statement is the fact that Rossi's move is exactly how Nascrap is characterized!



Dude, even when Pedro torpedoed Nicky he didn't go talking .... except to say he didn't expect midget to race him so hard.

Jumkie said:

Are you saying Hayden's pass on Lorenzo was the same? You ask if this is a double standard, well first of all, these moves were totally different, Hayden didn't make contact and run Lorenzo wide, this is the difference. Where did you get the idea that those moves are similar? Because you want to believe Factory or some other person? I'm sure you saw them yourself. Hayden makes a clean pass for the podium, Lorenzo doesn't even pick up his bike unlike when Rossi passed Hayden he first time. Rossi makes a block pass, parks its, makes contact, runs Nicky wide. Do we need to start this whole thread over? Its legal, but dirty. That's what you are arguing now too? That you can't stand the characterization? What is it exactly you are arguing here? Stick to Nascrap, hahahaha, the most ironic part of your statement is the fact that Rossi's move is exactly how Nascrap is characterized!

Dude, even when Pedro torpedoed Nicky he didn't go talking .... except to say he didn't expect midget to race him so hard.

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You kesh,BM and pov make out hayden was put in the gravel or something. There was barely any contact what so ever, and what little there was was on the exit meaning hayden left the door open. it was hard but fair. It was to be expected when your on the last lap fighting for the podium. If this were any other riders than vr and hayden you would not be having this debate. You ask for close exciting racing week in week out in the gp threads. you get some close racing and all you lot can do is ..... about it. As far as i can see it's only you 4 complaining ! Maybe haydeen will learn to defend his lines when theres a podium at stake.  I sometimes wonder what exactly you lot want to see in racing "no please after you sir" get over it !

rossiofsky said:

I found some more shots(i watched the highlights of the race and its recorded from all different angles, so i made a serie of snap shots from those angles. and if you have the video of it watch the slow motion of it. and let everyone decide for him/herself what kind of a move it was.

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I'm sorry Jumkie, but based on the pics I saw earlier in this thread, how does that look like a dirty move? Looks like Rossi actually had the inside line already, it's not like he just barged in from all the way behind Nicky. And also, I don't think they actually made contact either.



Also, did you watch the links with Kevin and Wayne racing I posted earlier? Would you call that 'dirty' racing as well? I call it hard racing and awesome to watch but that's just my opinion..

..And hard racing is what made me fall in love with GP racing in the first place..

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Rossiofsky has completely nailed it, none of these F'wit haters has offered up any evidence to prove their rubbish pov on the pictures uploaded of the pass. Case closed.

chopperman said:

You kesh,BM and pov make out hayden was put in the gravel or something. There was barely any contact what so ever, and what little there was was on the exit meaning hayden left the door open. it was hard but fair. It was to be expected when your on the last lap fighting for the podium. If this were any other riders than vr and hayden you would not be having this debate. You ask for close exciting racing week in week out in the gp threads. you get some close racing and all you lot can do is ..... about it. As far as i can see it's only you 4 complaining ! Maybe haydeen will learn to defend his lines when theres a podium at stake.  I sometimes wonder what exactly you lot want to see in racing "no please after you sir"

get over it !

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Well I characterized the move as desperate and dirty. I'm think I read Pov said it was "fair". So I'm not buy that you are saying these peeps are exaggerating except simply characterizing the moves a desperate. What's so hard to accept about that? Yes we want to see close racing, but not Nascrap BTW, your "GW hoax "buddy Pov put up a link to some close racing. Check it out man. This is an excellent example of superior skill (the kind J4rno talks about) between to riders not willing to step over the line of racing integrity.

news1213 said:

I'm sorry Jumkie, but based on the pics I saw earlier in this thread, how does that look like a dirty move? Looks like Rossi actually had the inside line already, it's not like he just barged in from all the way behind Nicky. And also, I don't think they actually made contact either.



Also, did you watch the links with Kevin and Wayne racing I posted earlier? Would you call that 'dirty' racing as well? I call it hard racing and awesome to watch but that's just my opinion..

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Im not so sure they made contact either. i watched the race several times and looking at Hayden it does not appear he was actually touched. He was not "pushed" off-line, he was hung out due to a block pass. That line rossi took was way open. It not like the simonchelli move where there was not a line through but he barged his way in regardless.  All the Haters have conveniently ignored those photos.

chopperman said:

You kesh,BM and pov make out hayden was put in the gravel or something. There was barely any contact what so ever, and what little there was was on the exit meaning hayden left the door open. it was hard but fair. It was to be expected when your on the last lap fighting for the podium. If this were any other riders than vr and hayden you would not be having this debate. You ask for close exciting racing week in week out in the gp threads. you get some close racing and all you lot can do is ..... about it. As far as i can see it's only you 4 complaining ! Maybe haydeen will learn to defend his lines when theres a podium at stake.  I sometimes wonder what exactly you lot want to see in racing "no please after you sir"

get over it !

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Pov said



Rossi and Hayden+ fair play in my book, these other riders are going to have to learn to punt Rossi when he punts them. Usually he is much faster and clears away from the guy he punts and they never get the opportunity to repay him. When they do get the chance, for some reason they are hesitant to use the same tactics, thats their problem. Like i said about the pass that Rossi made on Lorenzo at Motegi, i had no problem with the pass itself, i had a problem with the pass under the circumstances. Nicky should have bonzaied him in the last corner and dared race direction to do anything about it. Its a move that anyone can pull off, 4 tires corner better than 2. Setting someone up for a text book pass can take some time if both riders have the same pace. If your in a hurry, you block pass. In the last 2 races, someone has to grow some balls and send the message. This how it should be done in a perfect world http://www.youtube.c...h?v=zYl9bT6jXQo but i have no problem with the other.



I guess thats one you skipped over, or are you being a hater, or a troll

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Rossiofsky has completely nailed it, none of these F'wit haters has offered up any evidence to prove their rubbish pov on the pictures uploaded of the pass. Case closed.

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Talpa said:

Rossiofsky has completely nailed it, none of these F'wit haters has offered up any evidence to prove their rubbish pov on the pictures uploaded of the pass. Case closed.

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Talps, Pov is much bigger than that. I think a bigfoot pic would have been more on target.



What evidence are you talking about? We are not disputing a murder. I'm saying the move is desperate and dirty. You say its not, now what? You boys just can't accept that kind of characterization and start blowing headgaskets. The pics show Rossi running wide and making contact. The vid shows loss of momentum as he parked it to interrupt Nicky's trajectory. Standard block, and standard dirty. Get over it Talps.



Oh, Rog mentioned Aragon. Lorenzo didn't complain. You want to know why, because the pass was clean. But Lorenzo did complain about Motegi. You want to know why, because the passes were counter moves, running wide to make contact. Its legal, the characterization that you guys just can't accept is that its was intentionally desperate and outside of racing etiquette.

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Well I characterized the move as desperate and dirty. I'm think I read Pov said it was "fair". So I'm not buy that you are saying these peeps are exaggerating except simply characterizing the moves a desperate. What's so hard to accept about that? Yes we want to see close racing, but not Nascrap

BTW, your "GW hoax "buddy Pov put up a link to some close racing. Check it out man. This is an excellent example of superior skill (the kind J4rno talks about) between to riders not willing to step over the line of racing integrity.

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This is where your wrong imo. It was neither dirty nor desperate imo. It was hard ,calculated and successful (he got the podium). Who gives a .... what pov has posted

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Talps, Pov is much bigger than that. I think a bigfoot pic would have been more on target.

What evidence are you talking about? We are not disputing a murder.

I'm saying the move is desperate and dirty. You say its not, now what? You boys just can't accept that kind of characterization and start blowing headgaskets. The pics show Rossi running wide and making contact. The vid shows loss of momentum as he parked it to interrupt Nicky's trajectory. Standard block, and standard dirty. Get over it Talps.



Oh, Rog mentioned Aragon. Lorenzo didn't complain. You want to know why, because the pass was clean. But Lorenzo did complain about Motegi. You want to know why, because the passes were counter moves, running wide to make contact. Its legal, the characterization that you guys just can't accept is that its was intentionally desperate and outside of racing etiquette.

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NO they dont ! They show Hayden well wide before the turn and rossi riding the perfect line through the turn. Hayden tryed to get on the apex but it was to late, rossi was already there ! I thought Hayden then really showed his class by getting back on the gas to answer straight back. Hayden made a mistake and lost a place, he then rode like a god to re-claim it only be be passed yet again. Was great racing and im hopping for more of the same next race.

Jumkie said:

Talps, Pov is much bigger than that. I think a bigfoot pic would have been more on target.

What evidence are you talking about? We are not disputing a murder.

I'm saying the move is desperate and dirty. You say its not, now what? You boys just can't accept that kind of characterization and start blowing headgaskets. The pics show Rossi running wide and making contact. The vid shows loss of momentum as he parked it to interrupt Nicky's trajectory. Standard block, and standard dirty. Get over it Talps.



Oh, Rog mentioned Aragon. Lorenzo didn't complain. You want to know why, because the pass was clean. But Lorenzo did complain about Motegi. You want to know why, because the passes were counter moves, running wide to make contact. Its legal, the characterization that you guys just can't accept is that its was intentionally desperate and outside of racing etiquette.

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Yes do you know what else? Hayden also didn't complain. Do you know why? read above.

chopperman said:

Im not so sure they made contact either. i watched the race several times and looking at Hayden it does not appear he was actually touched. He was not "pushed" off-line, he was hung out due to a block pass. That line rossi took was way open. It not like the simonchelli move where there was not a line through but he barged his way in regardless.  All the Haters have conveniently ignored those photos.

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I see you're just gonna ignore the issue, like the rest. The big problem you guys have is the characterization of the move. That's it. Actually your defense on the thread started very mild, but I think you're reacting to Pov too much. Anyway, you guys can't stand that somebody would say its desperate. No no no, that's just wrong. Well brotha, It was desperate and dirty. Why do I think its was, because Rossi puts his bike and parks it forcing Nicky wide. Its the break check equivalent but on a turn. You guys just can't accpet or believe somebody so revered would resort to such a tactic! Look at the exit difference, see how Rossi pulls away at a visible faster rate. What happened here? What would cause that?



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The contact was slight, but that's more a function of evassive action by Nicky. You saw the first pass right. There was zero contact. Which of those two passes would you say was the more poorly executed one? Most peeps will tell you the first one. And no contact was made? Is that possible? But you're smoking gun is to say there was not contact on the second pass. So what, it doesn't change the fact that Rossi parked it (which you concede) and then force him wide. Its desperate. Accept it, and move on. He's still the best, and as Talps like to say, the 9 time WC (to denote some infallibility).

chopperman said:

Yes do you know what else? Hayden also didn't complain. Do you know why? read above.

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I had already gave you the context but you ignored it. That's why these threads get so long. Because even after the question is answered out pops the issue again. So again, context, Nicky didn't complain about Pedro's torpedo. That's the context to read Nicky's reaction to Rossi, its all good. Basically you would need to shoot him with a shot gun for him to say, yo, that's not cool man.

Jumkie said:

I see you're just gonna ignore the issue, like the rest. The big problem you guys have is the characterization of the move. That's it. Actually your defense on the thread started very mild, but I think you're reacting to Pov too much. Anyway, you guys can't stand that somebody would say its desperate. No no no, that's just wrong. Well brotha, It was desperate and dirty. Why do I think its was, because Rossi puts his bike and parks it forcing Nicky wide. Its the break check equivalent but on a turn. You guys just can't accpet or believe somebody so revered would resort to such a tactic! Look at the exit difference, see how Rossi pulls away at a visible faster rate. What happened here? What would cause that?



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The contact was slight, but that's more a function of evassive action by Nicky. You saw the first pass right. There was zero contact. Which of those two passes would you say was the more poorly executed one? Most peeps will tell you the first one. And no contact was made? Is that possible? But you're smoking gun is to say there was not contact on the second pass. So what, it doesn't change the fact that Rossi parked it (which you concede) and then force him wide. Its desperate. Accept it, and move on. He's still the best, and as Talps like to say, the 9 time WC (to denote some infallibility).

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That 1 picture proves ....... nada. yes rossi parked it. Thats a legit racing move used by many a great rider including Hayden.

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