Assen TT - Rnd 8 2015 - SPOILERS

Gaz · Jun 28, 2015

Talpa said:
However this season it's just too much, too silly, too dangerous and now after this latest post race rant, he has almost sealed his fate. Barring catastrophe he has lost the title this year, and a lot of fans.

Talps,

As for the chances of Marquez winning the title, well it will need at least two very strong riders within the same teams to suffer a catastrophe and personally, even then I suspect that whilst Marquez has the talent/ability, he at this point does not have the necessary mental focus as (again, opinion only) he is making to many of the same type of mistakes which indicates a failure to learn or adjust.

That said, it is not just this year that Marquez has made these 'mistakes' as they have been made in years past, but the difference this year is that he is up against a rider who has 'been there done that' against a wide number of similar focused riders and, well let's be honest here, he is coming of second best.

Rossi (love him or not) is showing the way to fight Marquez and to beat him (or encourage him to beat himself) which is to give back that which you receive.

I do now wonder how Alex will go when he gets to MotoGP as for some time we have heard that he is stronger both mentally and in riding ability, so (yeas a long shot) but are we now seeing the limitations of Marc?

Time will of course tell and I do suspect that there is no harder rider to compete against than Rossi and Marquez is now finding that out in spades (of course Rossi getting the Yamaha sorted has helped appreciably)

Talpa · Jun 28, 2015

michaelm said:
Similar take on this incident to you Talps, but you again ignore that Stoner had considerable justification for complaint in regard to the 2 incidents with Rossi to which you likely refer, in which Rossi's role was the reverse of his role in this one; Stoner made no mistake of his own in either incident, and his actions avoided a quite possibly serious crash in at least one of them.

Hello Mate!! Well you know I'm not going to fully agree here

......Jerez in the rain-accident Rossi fault indeed-Stoner's reaction however was no accident and completely dismal in my opinion.
Laguna 08 well, on Casey's post race rant I can and always will reference the pass Stoner made going up the hill prior to the 'larger' incident-He was at least in part here playing the same deadly game he was accusing Rossi of-and if he was so justified in his comments post race there would have been no need to issue an apology the week after..... this incident back in 08 was actually not too dissimilar to Marc's attempt to ride around the outside of Rossi at Argentina this year, we all saw how that one worked out.

Anyway, back to Assen, and again this incident has unfortunately taken the focus away from an otherwise great race. The two passes Rossi executed to re-take the lead were two of the best in succession I've seen him execute. Absolutely closing the door on Marc, and again on the last lap. All at 36 years of age.

And what of Jorge? Coming off 4 wins, 2 of which were completely dominant and all of which where BS only brought the softer option.....no surprise with the harder here at Assen he was back way off the pace again.

And Ducati? Where did they go? a return to 2014 form.....

Dr No · Jun 28, 2015

Has David Emmett done an Assen race report yet?
(I am not particularly interested in it...just want to see how many words Jumkie can bash out in a frenzy. )

michaelm · Jun 28, 2015

Dr No said:
Has David Emmett done an Assen race report yet?
(I am not particularly interested in it...just want to see how many words Jumkie can bash out in a frenzy. )

Looked it up for similar reasons. Done by an offsider rather than David (I don't share Jumkie's view of David, btw) but presumably along similar lines to David, Valentino apparently ran wide and gave MM an opening.

ReddiWhip · Jun 28, 2015

There's Honda/Yamaha, and then comes every other manufacturer. Similarly, there's Rossi, Lorenzo, and Marquez, and then everyone else. At Assen, Rossi had a great qualifying and race. The pace he set was rapid, and pushed Marquez from the front. Trust that if MM could've passed more then once this race, he most certainly would have. Rossi was just too strong, and Marquez got schooled. Rossi's pass was clean and impressive. Marquez final pass attempt was desperate.

It's good for the sport. Seems like the majority of GP fans are Rossi fans, so if he wins, MotoGP wins. Plus the age narrative which anyone can appreciate. Hell, my wife (she's definitely NOT a GP Fan) has been watching with me cause she wants "The 'old' guy" to win. I for one hope that he can pull this off.

More on Marquez... just hate to pile on. Some quotes, "I knew where to put the bike to limit his space but I didn’t think he’d cut the corner", "In the end I feel we won the race", and "I learnt some motocross from Rossi today!” He's a ...... sore loser today, not a Champ. You feel you won the race??? On what planet? He got schooled, and can't act with class afterwards, CHUMP move. And what's with flying his flag after the race? Dude, you came in second, just do a lap like everyone else! And that's Lorenzo's thing anyway. Get your own bag kid.

Questions:
- Shouldn't Rossi have just rode a defensive line into the final chicane, thus blocking any possible attempt from Marquez? EDIT: I see in Michaelm post that they're saying he ran wide. I just think he hit the turn like he'd been doing all race, but need to be way more inside. Either way, that's answered.

- Coming up on the half way point of the season, how many engines does Marquez have left? He's had a number of offs, used engines, and i think one ate itself. Is he on his mark (no pun intended) or in trouble?

basspete · Jun 28, 2015

Good post Reddiwhip. I'm disappointed with Mark, what I always liked about him was he always looked like he was enjoying racing. The Willarot incident tainted him for me,but I still liked the kid, young and reckless, just a daft kid. This season however, he's acting like a spoiled kid, the win or crash mentality has just become red mist. He's tangling with other riders every weekend and spitting the dummy when it goes wrong. His post race comments are pathetic, he lost, he ...... it up. Get over it son. Someone in hrc needs to be telling him to get a ....... grip, ride for points and act like a champion. Tough at the top Mark.

michaelm · Jun 28, 2015

Talpa said:
Hello Mate!! Well you know I'm not going to fully agree here ......Jerez in the rain-accident Rossi fault indeed-Stoner's reaction however was no accident and completely dismal in my opinion.
Laguna 08 well, on Casey's post race rant I can and always will reference the pass Stoner made going up the hill prior to the 'larger' incident-He was at least in part here playing the same deadly game he was accusing Rossi of-and if he was so justified in his comments post race there would have been no need to issue an apology the week after..... this incident back in 08 was actually not too dissimilar to Marc's attempt to ride around the outside of Rossi at Argentina this year, we all saw how that one worked out.

Anyway, back to Assen, and again this incident has unfortunately taken the focus away from an otherwise great race. The two passes Rossi executed to re-take the lead were two of the best in succession I've seen him execute. Absolutely closing the door on Marc, and again on the last lap. All at 36 years of age.

And what of Jorge? Coming off 4 wins, 2 of which were completely dominant and all of which where BS only brought the softer option.....no surprise with the harder here at Assen he was back way off the pace again.

And Ducati? Where did they go? a return to 2014 form.....

Also good to see you back, Talps. We mostly have our own allegiances and personal biases on here but not much of the actual malice I have encountered elsewhere.

I think Jorge rode conservatively (no "butter hammer") once he realised 3rd was his best result, which if not before the 1st lap was on that lap. 3rd is certainly better than 4th or 5th as in the earlier rounds, and as I said earlier in the thread if he is to make a major breakthrough on "Valentino's" tyre this year it was never going to be at Assen. I see no more virtue in Valentino being superior on the tyre which suits him than there is in Jorge being so on the tyre which suits him, btw. Also btw, I have no problem with one rider or the other being suited by different tyres as long as there are no machinations in regard to which tyre is available, with this preferably being excluded by both tyres being available at all rounds as I believe was the case in the earlier rounds.

I thought MM rode a good and controlled race prior to the last corner, and prior to that corner had done well to make up the ground he did on the last lap.

The corkscrew thing is ritual combat now, but you did bring it up. Stoner had track position on the racing line at a velocity consistent with making the corner whilst staying on the track. Rossi in a desperate attempt to come out of the Corkscrew ahead lest he lose the race went in too hot, lost the bike and slewed off the track with no contact from Stoner, maintained position by cutting the corner, and would have torpedoed Stoner on re-entry although not by design without Stoner's evasive action.

Keshav · Jun 28, 2015

Talpa said:
Jums you performing CPR on this place? Seems to have worked, I see a lot have dusted off and opened the old sarcophagus!

Certainly a race worthy of discussion, with what was a great race long battle at the front-of course now overshadowed by the antics of el niño loco.

He lost a lot of respect from me and I'm sure a lot of the fans after the very 'Stoner' and Biaggi like bad sport post race comments, only this was ALL his fault-never, ever, never, ever was he going to make that pass with Rossi on the last lap of the race. Funniest thing was when Rossi turned around after dirt tracking with what seemed like a 'is that all you've got' look much like Argentina, and Marc was left mid-chicane with his hand in the air wondering why is ramming strategy didn't work!

Dude... whilst The Legions Of Rog were off conquering the inter-sphere - this site has gradually re-populated itself without any help from the mythical Lord Jum. Don't encourage this kind of thinking. His hubris-ometer is already blowing fuses.

JPSLotus · Jun 28, 2015

Gentlemen, thinking more about what was said about Rossi going into that final chicane, and purposely setting up Marquez, I wanted to bring everyone's attention to Argentina.

If anyone said anything about it, I never saw it anywhere on the internet. I don't think I had really read through postings here to see if anyone said anything.

When Rossi overtakes Marquez, when I was watching the race live, my first reaction was that the initial contact was due to Rossi. I swear to god, he threw himself against Marquez to create contact in the middle of the corner. It's so subtle and could be chalked up to him trying to get the bike back up, but I don't think it is that...it was done there so the excuse could be "I was trying to get upright" if anyone caught it. Thoughts?

Here is the video...

https://youtu.be/TgIWJeJbNHw?t=1m10s

Rossi has an agenda against MM, and I'd venture a guess it has something to do with all those wins and early championships. Perhaps he is trying to strategically break MM mentally the way he did Biaggi.

Arrabbiata1 · Jun 28, 2015

Jumkie said:
Its funny you say this, I was thinking about it during the race in particular. I was thinking, well if he wins, people will say, you see it was the chassis. If he loses, people will say, you see it was the chassis. Can't win, eh? (no pun)

The chassis was being blamed on him not being able to brake properly when he almost torpedoed Lorenzo in Catalunya, he came in too hot almost carbon copy at Assen, on the 'better' chassis (at least not the new 'flawed chassis') yet coming in too hot creating a similar situation, almost identical. Might those of us contending simply be correct contending that perhaps its just Marc the rider leaving the braking too late to attempt an impossible overtaking sequence?

Interesting Compa. I recently posted that it is generally accepted that HRC have made a wrong turn with the chassis this year, but if the motor is exacerbating the problems that Marc is attesting to then your 'question to Krop' is indeed a very interesting one.

Marc is claiming that during Valencia test the feel that he had from the old chassis was gone. However, the high temperatures at Sepang where he was very quick, the softer power and the greater flex obscured the problem. All he claims is that he can't ride the bike in the same way that he was able to last year. Perhaps reverting to the chassis that he knows well and is comfortable with, while not only allowing him to restore some base settings from last year is also a confidence issue. Additionally, it may well ameliorate these possible negative issues caused by this year's motor. His decision to opt for a slightly harder font for the race was obviously nothing to do with durability but actually points to concerns over his fast corner entry and indeed his ability to brake late - both hallmarks of his style and as much as they can be a liability...key to his strengths. That Honda looked as settled yesterday as I've seen it all season. It was only when Vale upped the ante that it started to get crossed up.

I've always perceived the strength of the M1 to lie in its simplicity - a very different paradigm to Honda which strikes me as a very complex machine in comparison and quite challenging to unlock to its fullest potential.

Keshav · Jun 28, 2015

Jumkie said:
Mick, when I read Kropo write some stuff about Marc's antics I have the same reaction as you did in your analysis. i find it interesting, that I'm the bad guy, because as the rationale goes, he knows better. But you're mocking a double world champion. Double standard?

Here is another interesting parallel, when Kevin Cameron, Dennis Noyes, and David Emmett all piggybacked on each other's theory (some might call it a conspiracy theory) that Nakamoto was full of .... about the engine being problematic (Cameron came short of calling him a F-ing liar, Noyes said he was taking towing company line "circling the wagons", and Emmett said...well it to much to list) while they all agreed Marc's assessment of it was absolutely correct. Their rationale being Marc is a double champ, so he knows what he's talking about. Yet here u are, mocking his assessment. Weird.

Is there a lesson here? If there is, I think it may be missed.

You may find my next statement as crazy as Marc's assessment of his "perfect" lap. But I could argue he was right as it appears Rossi had planned a contingency ahead of time for such an event. In fact, my initial impression was that Rossi had drawn him in to deploy a similar tactic Marc did at the Corkscrew. Outlandish? Marc said he had "planned" his entry into the chicane way before the race. I consider Rossi twice as savvy as Marc, with a plethora of experience and more importantly, guile to do something as insane as I'm hypothesizing here. And I wasn't alone in thinking perhaps he had some forethought in today's incident (see MichaelM and J4rno's). I could make a case Marc put in a perfect lap and Rossi executed a reverse Jerez05, I won't of course because that would be too crazy. But I don't think it would be outside the realm of possibility. Anyway, I'll leave it up to Kropo to tell us Marc was right, and or that the bike just didn't let him execute the "pass" he could have if only that damn RCV complied.

Fact: He won two World Championships without killing anyone and beat both Rossi and Lorenzo decisively and broke records all over the place.

What can we take away from this? That, at some level he knows what he's talking about.

Fact: MM is bat-.... crazy. But then again so are a lot of riders who just hide it better. It's been pointed out time and again that the guys who are most successful are basically self-absorbed, narcissistic sharks in human form. Not well balanced individuals.

What can we take away from this? With racers of this caliber - you can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Yes - MM is high strung and of less than optimal maturity - but he has proven himself to be really talented, so if we're to be objective - some of what he says has to be legitimate. MM was obviously wrong about the last turn incident - but people do say stupid .... in the heat of the moment. You always do this "4 minus 1 = 0" thing wherein if a person says one wrong thing - ergo - everything he says from thereon through eternity - is ......... Logically and rationally that doesn't hold water. Even Einstein got it wrong on occasion.

Same goes for Kropo, in that while some don't believe he is the guiding light of objectivity and journalistic standards - he does bring to the subject of racing - a great deal of insider insights. I appreciate how your passion for racing keeps you up at night sifting through various takes on incidents that make your head spin (or is that the tequila?

) but to suggest that you sitting in your house in front of the computer - are capable of mystically divining the truths about what's going on at race tracks all around the world - that are so concretely unassailable that we should all reject wholesale - the opinions and insights of professional journalists who actually talk and interact with the racers and teams - is well... just not realistic. Which isn't to say that your conspiracy theories aren't entertaining. Just not entertaining enough that we're all ready to completely, out of hand, dismiss the collected wisdom (or theories) of journos who've been in the pits for decades. Excuse now me while I check the larder to see if their is a sufficient supply of popcorn.

Keshav · Jun 28, 2015

michaelm said:
Similar take on this incident to you Talps, but you again ignore that Stoner had considerable justification for complaint in regard to the 2 incidents with Rossi to which you likely refer, in which Rossi's role was the reverse of his role in this one; Stoner made no mistake of his own in either incident, and his actions avoided a quite possibly serious crash in at least one of them.

I'd quite forgotten about the time Rossi took out Stoner, and how the faithful chose to turn a blind eye, some even heaping opprobrium on Stoner afterwards. Nobody started calling Vale "Murder-Man Rossi". It was just "a racing incident". One person even took issue with the fact that Stoner had the gall to make a wisecrack after being torpedoed by The Goat.

Keshav · Jun 28, 2015

Talpa said:
Agreed Gaz, I think many punters and experts, Rossi fans and so on have generally welcomed Marc to the fray in 13-14. And his antics during those first two seasons have been accepted as a very talented young rider on the best bike finding his feet and winning championships at the same time.

However this season it's just too much, too silly, too dangerous and now after this latest post race rant, he has almost sealed his fate. Barring catastrophe he has lost the title this year, and a lot of fans.

It's freakin' old home week here.:good:

Arrabbiata1 · Jun 28, 2015

Keshav said:
You're welcome to like whoever you want to like. I have the same option. I like goofballs but not the ones who channel mis-directed anger to lash out at people around whom they feel insecure. This forum has been fun and interesting to be at the last two years without all the ad hominen personal attacks and sycophantic, petty antagonizing of anyone who doesn't agree with the most dominant PS member. In fact nobody was trying to dominate anyone and it got pretty civilized - and that is what brought back so many old-timers who'd got sick of all the hostility and bickering. Both M-Dub and JKD had one thing in common; neither owned a motorcycle or knew ....-all about racing, and both lashed out at anyone who noted how ignorant and completely pointless their posts were. They added nothing to this forum. I don't care who liked those two misanthropic cretins. I have no compulsion to like them because others do.

Two years ago this place was all tumbleweeds after most of the best people here fled this place in disgust over the whole Lord Of The Flies social dynamic. Some interesting and well informed people were run off because those who deemed themselves the alpha-males of PS couldn't stand to have anyone around who knew more or were willing to stand up to their abusiveness. There's a big difference between good natured kidding or taking the piss, and ugly,mean-spirited antagonzing of forum members who espouse a different or unpopular opinion. Whether you agree or disagree with Kropo - you have to admit that he brought a lot of insight to this forum and those of us who stuck it out here after most deserted this place and kept it alive, were enjoying his presence here until the usual suspects came back and .... all over him - rather than engage him in a civil dialog. No sign of Rising Sun either and he posted some of the all-time best stuff that ever appeared on the forum. Barry - who I often disagree with - has been for ages one of the funniest, whackiest guys here, but he's always made things interesting and has never been mean-spirited dispite how overbearing (not to mention boringly repetitive with the tired-... animal jokes) other members are. Zoot was a really smart guy and had an encyclopedic knowledge of racing - which apparently - was too threatening for members who always need to be in the spotlight. People who want to come here to talk about racing shouldn't have to endure some idiotic frat-house hazing in order to be accepted by those who elected themselves the forum elders by virtue of longevity or pure verbosity.

When Rog picked up and took his business elsewhere because he felt PS was too net-nannied - all his cohorts said they'd go with him. And how did that work out? In the interim the folks who were fed up with the abusive atmosphere migrated back and PS started to thrive again. I'd like to see that continue. Most people come here to discuss racing and enjoy the bonhomie. It's only a select few who want to turn this back into the Mean Girls club.

Eloquently put as ever Kesh, but I have a good memory and there are many occasions that when playfully pinged with the provocation of a pea shooter you responded with the finesse of a daisy cutter.

You also draw too many conclusions about many ex-regulars here. Personally, I stopped posting because of excessive moderation, and as a regular user of the other site you will know that I rarely contribute there either. I liked the anarchy prior to that, but such freedom of expression carries with it a responsibility and can also be the noose by which we hang ourselves. I think in preaching your little homily - in ascending to the moral high ground, delivering your sermon on the mount if you will - remember that many of us compromised our dignity and decorum along the way, yourself included and as you say there is no need to open old wounds. Besides, I came back on chiefly because you all seem to need reminding what a ... Willski is.

My main exception to your post is your defence of Zoot/BJ.C/KiddyK/MT60 etc etc.who was in addition to being a bullshitter of such magnitude to surpass even Barry's finest Walter Mitty moments was also a particularly vile and unnecessarily vindictive and malicious individual, and is particularly bizarre given your condemnation of JKD. 22 is quite right, he was condescending and supercilious in the extreme but most amusingly to us, not quite as clever as he thought he was. I might also add, and trust me on this, it is a mistake to refer to him in the past tense.

Regarding Barry, he has a thick animal hide and as you well know, gives as good as he gets.

Keshav · Jun 28, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
Eloquently put as ever Kesh, but I have a good memory and there are many occasions that when playfully pinged with the provocation of a pea shooter you responded with the finesse of a daisy cutter.

You also draw too many conclusions about many ex-regulars here. Personally, I stopped posting because of excessive moderation, and as a regular user of the other site you will know that I rarely contribute there either. I liked the anarchy prior to that, but such freedom of expression carries with it a responsibility and can also be the noose by which we hang ourselves. I think in preaching your little homily - in ascending to the moral high ground, delivering your sermon on the mount if you will - remember that many of us compromised our dignity and decorum along the way, yourself included and as you say there is no need to open old wounds. Besides, I came back on chiefly because you all seem to need reminding what a ... Willski is.

My main exception to your post is your defence of Zoot/BJ.C/KiddyK/MT60 etc etc.who was in addition to being a bullshitter of such magnitude to surpass even Barry's finest Walter Mitty moments was also a particularly vile and unnecessarily vindictive and malicious individual, and is particularly bizarre given your condemnation of JKD. 22 is quite right, he was condescending and supercilious in the extreme but most amusingly to us, not quite as clever as he thought he was. I might also add, and trust me on this, it is a mistake to refer to him in the past tense.

Regarding Barry, he has a thick animal hide and as you well know, gives as good as he gets.

Guilty as charged. I have strived to not be so reactive. Ommmm.

I did generalize - didn't I. Totally understood your reasons and am of course really pleased you're coming around.

Re: Zoot - can't say I was totally objective as he and I never really got to crossing swords. Perhaps I was unrealistic - but I kind of hoped that he would chill the .... out and be as entertaining as Lex and Bablefish.

If Zoot is back - fine by me. None of the current regulars seem to be as abrasive. If he's here under a new avatar and willing to turn it down a notch in order to enjoy the camaraderie at PS - maybe he just needed to get laid. Who knows? Maybe he's getting it on with Motochick.

Jumkie · Jun 28, 2015

Ah, I see, it required u to "cross swords" to be objective? (I wouldn't use that terminology , but I can't say there is some parallel in your mild defense of him, but I shelve that). However I have 'crossed words' with Kropo, who it appears you are convinced he is a innocent victim. Perhaps it's because you ate all his ........ that he never threw out a dart at you. Which on this forum is all that is required to start a war none the least by present company.

And no worries about Zoots, he is off saving the world from some natural disaster. Surely among other thing.

michaelm · Jun 28, 2015

Keshav said:
Guilty as charged. I have strived to not be so reactive. Ommmm.

I did generalize - didn't I. Totally understood your reasons and am of course really pleased you're coming around.

Re: Zoot - can't say I was totally objective as he and I never really got to crossing swords. Perhaps I was unrealistic - but I kind of hoped that he would chill the .... out and be as entertaining as Lex and Bablefish.

If Zoot is back - fine by me. None of the current regulars seem to be as abrasive... so mayhaps he's learned to tone it down? Wishful thinking?

Babelfish was great, very knowledgeable with really well argued posts particularly given English was not his native tongue, rather like J4rn0.

I tend to think it looking inevitable that MM was going to win most weeks is what killed this and other forums. It is doubtless different in Spain, but he doesn't seem to have inspired much emotional connection, positive or negative, despite his undoubtedly great talent, in the anglophone motogp milieu, when he was winning anyway.

Arrabbiata1 · Jun 28, 2015

Keshav said:
I'd quite forgotten about the time Rossi took out Stoner, and how the faithful chose to turn a blind eye, some even heaping opprobrium on Stoner afterwards. Nobody started calling Vale "Murder-Man Rossi". It was just "a racing incident". One person even took issue with the fact that Stoner had the gall to make a wisecrack after being torpedoed by The Goat.

Astonishingly, quite a few did, but apparently his main heinous act was applauding Rossi from trackside as he went past.

That Cassanova Sevelli rabble at Mugello...terribly off putting for riders, shouldn't be allowed.:ninja:

mylexicon · Jun 28, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Gentlemen, thinking more about what was said about Rossi going into that final chicane, and purposely setting up Marquez, I wanted to bring everyone's attention to Argentina.

If anyone said anything about it, I never saw it anywhere on the internet. I don't think I had really read through postings here to see if anyone said anything.

When Rossi overtakes Marquez, when I was watching the race live, my first reaction was that the initial contact was due to Rossi. I swear to god, he threw himself against Marquez to create contact in the middle of the corner. It's so subtle and could be chalked up to him trying to get the bike back up, but I don't think it is that...it was done there so the excuse could be "I was trying to get upright" if anyone caught it. Thoughts?

Here is the video...

https://youtu.be/TgIWJeJbNHw?t=1m10s

Rossi has an agenda against MM, and I'd venture a guess it has something to do with all those wins and early championships. Perhaps he is trying to strategically break MM mentally the way he did Biaggi.

All is fair between Rossi and Marquez. Both of them have a history of riding into their competitors.

Assen 2015 was basically a mirror image of Assen 2006. Hayden was on the outside. Colin made a crazy lunge up the inside, but when he ran wide and hit the astroturf, the old-fashioned electronics couldn't cope, and the M1 spat him over the top. Hayden inherited the victory.

Rider on the outside has more options, if he gets nerfed.

Arrabbiata1 · Jun 28, 2015

michaelm said:
Babelfish was great, very knowledgeable with really well argued posts particularly given English was not his native tongue, rather like J4rn0.

I agree Mike. He was Scandinavian I think. I always suspected he was a geophysicist or a geologist working for a one of the major multi-national petroleum organisations. Last post I ever remember him making - I .... you not -came from what I assumed to be a research/exploration vessel in the middle of the North Sea.

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