Assen TT - Rnd 8 2015 - SPOILERS

Jumkie said:

Loud and obnoxious is Willski 's bit.

Yeah, perhaps too subtle, I should turn up the volume a bit, I really should come out of my shell.

Edit to add: You are acutely aware of the Kropo "bashing" but haven't noticed the explanations to your above questions even thought they been attached to just about every one of those posts? Really man, while you're scouring the forum for those Kropo digs you're missing the best part of those posts.

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Keshav said:

Maybe I will revisit those. First I have to get myself a new fainting couch; me being all sensitive and all.

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Keshav said:

A thoughtful and well reasoned response. If I can boil it down to essentials - you're saying the Yamaha has refined the M1 allowing Rossi and Lorenzo more of a competitive edge than MM could have predicted. It's as good an explanation as any. Rossi and Lorenzo's results and the fact that they've been breaking lap records would bare that out. I'm looking forward to the next few races now that both Repsol riders are on the 2014 chassis again to see if their results improve. Not expecting much from Dani who's suffered loss of confidence from too many defeats and a good share of ...... luck. If MM is capable of learning from his mistakes - or if Honda sits him down and does a bit of parenting - I think he may still be capable of a degree of damage limitation. Not, mind you, holding my breath.

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Jumkie said:

this is around the camp fire holding hands singing kumbaya type stuff.

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Jumkie said:

Lil Sparrow, you're gonna meet Arrabbiata1 at Indy,

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Arrabbiata1 said:

As you know I've prostituted out Wills to finance my air fare. It's not going well. Given the current exchange rate, at the last count we had the underwhelming sum of 27 pence in the kittyk.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

Eloquently put as ever Kesh, but I have a good memory and there are many occasions that when playfully pinged with the provocation of a pea shooter you responded with the finesse of a daisy cutter.

You also draw too many conclusions about many ex-regulars here. Personally, I stopped posting because of excessive moderation, and as a regular user of the other site you will know that I rarely contribute there either. I liked the anarchy prior to that, but such freedom of expression carries with it a responsibility and can also be the noose by which we hang ourselves. I think in preaching your little homily - in ascending to the moral high ground, delivering your sermon on the mount if you will - remember that many of us compromised our dignity and decorum along the way, yourself included and as you say there is no need to open old wounds. Besides, I came back on chiefly because you all seem to need reminding what a ... Willski is.


My main exception to your post is your defence of Zoot/BJ.C/KiddyK/MT60 etc etc.who was in addition to being a bullshitter of such magnitude to surpass even Barry's finest Walter Mitty moments was also a particularly vile and unnecessarily vindictive and malicious individual, and is particularly bizarre given your condemnation of JKD. 22 is quite right, he was condescending and supercilious in the extreme but most amusingly to us, not quite as clever as he thought he was. I might also add, and trust me on this, it is a mistake to refer to him in the past tense.

Regarding Barry, he has a thick animal hide and as you well know, gives as good as he gets.

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J4rn0 said:

If one had to believe in a conspiracy, then it could be difficult to understand who the supposed conspiracy is trying to favor; Lorenzo had his favored softer tire body as much or more than Rossi got his favored harder tire body do far, so if any conspiracy is there it's not clear who the Golden Boy is (maybe " they"are only conspiring to keep it balanced and interesting...?).

Regarding Marquez he himself said he could finally ride with a good feeling again, and it showed -- he didn't crash and scored good points, and could have won.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

Kesh..the RCV is so good it rides itself - never forget that. The 'problem' lies not simply with the fact that aliens are a myth..but in addition to MM and Asimo, Cal and Scott are simply not up to the job.

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littlesparrows said:

So is this a bunch of OG members fighting or a discussion about assen?

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Willski said:

Don't worry old boy, with a body like this we will soon get to the $3 mark

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michaelm said:

There can't be any tyre conspiracy regarding the early season races, I believe both tyres were available to both riders, Jorge wasn't confident about riding the "hard/Valentino" tyre, and Valentino was just flat out faster on that tyre than Jorge was on the soft tyre; it wasn't even a question of his tyres lasting better. As you say, it was similar with the Bridgestone hard tyres and Stoner in 2007 when there was still a tyre war.

I am assuming as you are that track conditions/abrasiveness were such that nobody including Jorge would have been able to use "his" tyre at Assen 2015;PI 2013 is still a relatively recent event.

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#22 said:

I have to agree with Arrab when he said the M1 is a much simpler bike than the RCV. Honda usually go super complex rather than going back to basics and tend to go with that looks fastest on paper, but if the rider can't ride it then that's no good.

J4rn0 said:

In the Honda camp, Marc returned to the 2014 chassis and declared he found the old feeling again; I have no reason not to believe him (sorry Jum).

The M1 has improved enough to prevent the kind of domination MM enjoyed last year, however. Marc is going to win several races before the end of the season, and although that might not been enough to defend his title, he may well be the deciding factor between Rossi and Lorenzo.

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Rational - objective thinking not based on like or dislike of MM. :clap:

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At the front, Rossi had taken off like a scalded cat. Márquez stalked, his Honda RC213V looking better than it has all year. The rear slides and fishtailing on corner entry were much reduced, and it looked like Márquez had control once again. Even as the tires began to wear, Márquez kept control, the bike never sliding out of control like it had at Barcelona and Mugello. Though the bike was still making some rather acrobatic shapes, Márquez was still hitting every apex he aimed at precisely. Was his bike better? "I want to be careful, because it's only this weekend," he answered at the press conference. "But what I feel is that I enjoy again on the bike. We still need to improve the slide on entry, especially in the last part of the race." He was able to follow the pace set by Rossi comfortably, and be in good shape to attack later in the race.

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JPSLotus said:

lol what is MM going to say?

Christ you guys act like he was going to bash the 2014 chassis.

It's not a full 2014 bike anyway since it's got the 2015 swingarm.

As is he was en route to multiple podium finishes before he crashed out while using the 2015 chassis and 2015 swingarm.

He doesn't crash in Assen and gets on the podium.

Everyone thinks it must be the chassis that got him the podium. I'd say he got the podium because he DIDN'T crash.

What about the braking problems, engine problems, and electronic problems.

MurderMac is so full of ..... He blames every aspect of the bike, and then all of a sudden the bike is good when one component out of 5 is changed? Changing the chassis doesn't change engine characteristics.

Once he got the 2014 chassis, he was never going to be able to say anything anymore at that front because then it would make him look like an inveterate whiner.

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JPSLotus said:

Oh you know what, I just looked, some posters are basically spitting out what Kropo wrote about Assen.

Here's the relevant part...



His bike was making acrobatic shapes, but apparently HE HAD CONTROL ONCE AGAIN.

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