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A very stressful race for me to watch. The most suspenseful so far. A fantastic victory for Marc. A ballsy defence by Jorge who had me sweating with tension and wincing a lot. His pass on Marc going into turn 1 was epic. Pecco, who finished 10s behind the pair, still comfortably finished P3!! Such was the pace of Marc and Jorge compared to the rest of the grid.
 
If you look at the Helicopter view Vinales has about a 2 bike length gap in front of Bezzecchi when he pulls across in front of him. Bezzecchi gets the rear wheel off the ground as he brakes as hard as he can

I'm wondering what Bezzecchi could of done better? I'm assuming the race officials think Bezzecchi could of done something different otherwise they wouldn't of given him the long lap penalty.

As someone said, perhaps they didn’t want to concede aero was the main cause.
 
Pecco is now doing damage control and saying that if he doesn't win the championship it's because of the Aragon clash with Alex Marquez. Yes, don't blame all the other countless DNFs you've had this season.
He's generally more level headed than the rest of the yellow proteges but from time to time he says stupid ..... There's a total inability to assume self blame in the Rossi camp.
 
Pecco is now doing damage control and saying that if he doesn't win the championship it's because of the Aragon clash with Alex Marquez. Yes, don't blame all the other countless DNFs you've had this season.
He's generally more level headed than the rest of the yellow proteges but from time to time he says stupid ..... There's a total inability to assume self blame in the Rossi camp.
I wouldn’t call Bagnaia a full on ranch hand, he hasn’t really said anything about MM this season for instance. I don’t know whether he blames MM by association with AM for the incident in question though.
 
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Even then he was fighting for a 4th place in Aragon if I remember right, 13 points that still wouldn't give him the lead in the standings. If he loses the championship by more than that amount, will he still blame that incident?
 
Even then he was fighting for a 4th place in Aragon if I remember right, 13 points that still wouldn't give him the lead in the standings. If he loses the championship by more than that amount, will he still blame that incident?
Sure, I take that point, to be focussing on a single incident in which the contest was for 4th is perhaps out of proportion, he had the option of being further up the field and has had several other setbacks which were unrelated to AM, including the incident with MM which took them both out, it was earlier in the season but the points count exactly the same whenever they are scored while the championship is in play.
 
I wouldn’t call Bagnaia a full on ranch hand, he hadn’t really said anything about MM this season for instance. I don’t know whether he blames MM by association with AM for the incident in question though.
I think the shoe is often on the other foot in that it's not Pecco who is a ranch hand to the extent that he is incapable of thinking for himself and formulating his own opinions/sentiments, more than us fans not getting over Rossi, i.e., not being able to see opinions/incidents etc. outside the yellow tint of Rossi's time in sport.
 
Only saw the last few laps. What a finish!
Canet and Aldeguer congratulated each other after the finish so they didn't seem to have a problem
I guess its just a different mindset for a different generation of riders. Hard racing's always been a thing, but to my mind, if you literally push a rider past track limits, its not the same as merely forcing him off the line. It ends up being too much like wrestling or football - two sports (assuming you think wrestling is a sport) I've always thought of as for neanderthals.
 
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Interesting how Morbidouchie was passed by Marc the same way Mav past Bezz and nothing happened. Marc lap after lap was within a bike length of the rider in front of him going into corner one and nothing happened. Meanwhile Laverty and Neil ignore that and complain that aero caused the Bezz crash and that the penalty was wrong. Those two are dipshits. Laverty said we need a rd that has ridden with aero so they understand. He then went on to talk like he rode with aero. So RD doesn't know but you do? ....... moron. I am totally convinced after watching the race that aero was not a factor and it was 100% on Bezz.
 
I think the shoe is often on the other foot in that it's not Pecco who is a ranch hand to the extent that he is incapable of thinking for himself and formulating his own opinions/sentiments, more than us fans not getting over Rossi, i.e., not being able to see opinions/incidents etc. outside the yellow tint of Rossi's time in sport.
At least (or so I'd like to believe) those here with negative opinions on Rossi maintain a reasonable degree of objectivity. Did anyone notice those two Rossi-fan twats in the podium crowd who were parading around with a huge banner that said, "That 93 will never be a 46"? This amounts to cult behavior on the lines of Shia Muslims who more than a thousand years on, are still beating their chests and literally flagellating themselves over what they believe was the dissing of Ali. Pathetic.

Anyhoo . . . agree w JPS - best race of the year, maybe best of the last few seasons. Would like to have seen more of the action at the back.
Re: the comparison to Rossi, I would opine, if Marc had dumped Honda three years ago, he'd have 11 championships by now. Pecco must be shitting himself about now.
IMHO - the mark of a great rider is the ability to win races with finesse making all clean passes - rather than barging bull-in-a-china-shop fashion into other riders like the big green guy. Hulk smash! Errhh.

Can't wait to see what Martin can do with his new team next year. I see him having more than a few duels with Acosta.
 
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Interesting how Morbidouchie was passed by Marc the same way Mav past Bezz and nothing happened. Marc lap after lap was within a bike length of the rider in front of him going into corner one and nothing happened. Meanwhile Laverty and Neil ignore that and complain that aero caused the Bezz crash and that the penalty was wrong. Those two are dipshits. Laverty said we need a rd that has ridden with aero so they understand. He then went on to talk like he rode with aero. So RD doesn't know but you do? ....... moron. I am totally convinced after watching the race that aero was not a factor and it was 100% on Bezz.


I seriously LOL'd when he was complaining about Mav flipping him off.

I mean whatever one thinks about Mav as a rider, the dude got run into by Bezzecchi at 150MPH. I'd be a wee bit pissed off at the moment.

What is with Bezzecchi crying about getting flipped off when he was partly at fault for the crash, and on top of that, he ran his ....... mouth to no end last season about Marc? Dude truly is a ....... clown.

Edit: Multiple riders during the race had no problem braking into turn 1 without getting ...... up by the aero stall. Bezzecchi I truly believe was going for a stupid attempt at another overtake when he shouldn't have.
 
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At least (or so I'd like to believe) those here with negative opinions on Rossi maintain a reasonable degree of objectivity. Did anyone notice those two Rossi-fan twats in the podium crowd who were parading around with a huge banner that said, "That 93 will never be a 46"? This amounts to cult behavior on the lines of Shia Muslims who more than a thousand years on, are still beating their chests and literally flagellating themselves over what they believe was the dissing of Ali. Pathetic.

Anyhoo . . . agree w JPS - best race of the year, maybe best of the last few seasons. Would like to have seen more of the action at the back.
Re: the comparison to Rossi, I would opine, if Marc had dumped Honda three years ago, he'd have 11 championships by now. Pecco must be shitting himself about now.
IMHO - the mark of a great rider is the ability to win races with finesse making all clean passes - rather than barging bull-in-a-china-shop fashion into other riders like the big green guy. Hulk smash! Errhh.

Can't wait to see what Martin can do with his new team next year. I see him having more than a few duels with Acosta.
Povol who was one of our most knowledgeable posters imo, and unfortunately is no longer involved put it best (also imo), at the end of 2009 Valentino looked like he was on his own pedestal above other great riders, after subsequent events he was still an all time great but not clearly above all other greats.

In my view number of titles doesn’t count for too much, but with a further title or titles MM would combine Rossi’s previously unmatched longevity at the top with Mick Doohan’s recovery from adversity/career threatening injury.

MM can look after himself, he neither needs nor asks for any help dealing with his naysayers, and in fact seems to thrive on/gain further motivation from being denigrated.

What I hold against Rossi has never been his riding which is probably impossible to over-rate over his very long peak, but the careers of most of his previous rivals, particularly Stoner and Lorenzo, being made miserable by his off track manipulations, having blamed an element among his fandom alone for this prior to 2015. Even Nicky Hayden who wasn’t hated didn’t get the credit he deserved for his title win imo.
 
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I took the time now to just to rewatch the race. That was easily Marc's greatest victory I have ever witnessed. Mind-boggling the speeds him and Jorge were carrying into Doohan Corner. But watching him brake down into T4 was insane. I can only imagine if he were on the GP24, how much later he could be braking. I guess that answers the question of whether or not he still has it. I see a different career trajectory for him than any other rider now or from the 500cc era personally. He's the most gifted motorcycle racer I have ever seen, and there's just something else he has that no one else from the past had imo.
 
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I took the time now to just to rewatch the race. That was easily Marc's greatest victory I have ever witnessed. Mind-boggling the speeds him and Jorge were carrying into Doohan Corner. But watching him brake down into T4 was insane. I can only imagine if he were on the GP24, how much later he could be braking. I guess that answers the question of whether or not he still has it. I see a different career trajectory for him than any other rider now or from the 500cc era personally. He's the most gifted motorcycle racer I ever seen, and there's just something else he has that no one else from the past had imo.
He both broke his own decade old fastest lap ever, sure track condition, tires etc were involved, but more remarkably rode faster than his qualifying lap in the race.
 


He both broke his own decade old fastest lap ever, sure track condition, tires etc were involved, but more remarkably rode faster than his qualifying lap in the race.

They were 51 seconds faster than the finish time last season. That's breathtaking pace. It's amazing how well Marc's strategy to get past Jorge was as he was apparently not too happy about the overtake. Maybe we will luck out and the Aprilia RS-GP will be a great bike capable of keeping Jorge up at the front as it's fascinating to watch those two go at it.
 
They were 51 seconds faster than the finish time last season. That's breathtaking pace. It's amazing how well Marc's strategy to get past Jorge was as he was apparently not too happy about the overtake. Maybe we will luck out and the Aprilia RS-GP will be a great bike capable of keeping Jorge up at the front as it's fascinating to watch those two go at it.

Amazing pace indeed. All credit to Jorge for racing Marc to the end. Marc in his element, especially on a counterclockwise circuit format, can be unstoppable and typically races on far ahead of the others.
 
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