2024 MotoGP Round 6: Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya - Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya

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I have the impression MM wants to be with Gresini. This weekend he talked about not having pressures and all that stuff, he is having fun at Gresini, it's a team where he's the boss. He just want a factory machine as he doesn't give a .... for money from now. What difference it makes to go to Lenovo team or stay at Gresini if they give him the factory support? A bit more money? He doesn't care. Red Bull and all other sponsors can take care of that. It's much better to stay on a place where you are the boss and is having fun.
Yes and he can probably keep Alex in a job at Gresini as well.

I agree Martin deserves the factory job anyway, but the issue is whether a factory bike can be made available to MM at Gresini. VR46 want one, and I am not sure whether Pramac’s contract with Ducati guarantees them two GP25s. If Audi have told Ducati Corse to tighten their belts prospects of them providing an extra factory bike might not be strong. So MM might have to go to Pramac even if he would rather stay at Gresini.
 
Spencer is making some powerful enemies. I wonder what’s securing his position as chief steward?
His reputation from his two title years. He was no longer extraordinary as a rider when I started watching GP bike racing, and doesn’t seem to be great as a steward. I am inclined to believe contentions that his extraordinary feat of winning 2 world titles simultaneously broke something in him. I guess it looked like good PR to Dorna to have such a legendary rider as chief steward.
 
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Yes and he can probably keep Alex in a job at Gresini as well.

I agree Martin deserves the factory job anyway, but the issue is whether a factory bike can be made available to MM at Gresini. VR46 want one, and I am not sure whether Pramac’s contract with Ducati guarantees them two GP25s. If Audi have told Ducati Corse to tighten their belts prospects of them providing an extra factory bike might not be strong. So MM might have to go to Pramac even if he would rather stay at Gresini.
Audi gave Marquez a RS6 Avant, about a $100,000 car so you would think they like him a little. I'm thinking they might would have a say in what bike he rides next year.
 
While it may be too early to crow, at this point in the season. MM has more points than Bezz and DiGi combined.
Fabio D. has had some solid outings this year as he gets used to the GP23, a 5th today is nothing to scoff at, he is in the top 10 in points and just a few points from moving up, not to mention doing much better than his vaunted team mate !!!
 
Now for the ones who said GP24 top speed and bla bla bla, Barcelona has a long straight, so let's check this. Pecco top speed was 348.3, Jorge was 347.2 and Marquez was 350.6 km/h. So, where is that GP24 top speed superiority? Also, yesterday Pecco said the GP23 has a bit more traction on circuits with low grip.
The notion that top speed on the straightaway is the key to wins, historically, has been disproved over and over again. Look back at all the years when the Yamaha was the bike to be on, when in fact it was - relatively - underpowered, but was still the preferred bike on which so many championships were won, because of handling, NOT top speed. How many time in the earlier days of Ducati development from back as far as Stoner's first year, did we hear the constant refrain about it's massive power on the straight, only to see it passed in the technical parts of the track because it wouldn't turn? The putative advantages of the '24 bike over it's predecessor, are the updates to its aero package, electronics updates, chassis and doubtless, other things that Ducati and the factory riders aren't readily sharing with the press. Which BTW - would go a long way towards explaining why the riders on the '24 bikes are doing a better job of qualifying and getting off the line at the start.
 
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Just watched the race. Even though I railed like an old man (I may be!) at the changes instituted by Dorna and I’m still not totally on board with the Sprint races, today’s race (and yesterday’s) were top of the pops! Awesome job from virtually everybody. Maybe even especially from Acosta. The entire podium (and Aleix) did what needed to be done. It didn’t look easy for anybody.

Spencer was incredible as a racer. It doesn’t matter how long he delivered that magic. Some are destined to burn brightly and briefly. He put everything into it. I also saw him after the “bright” period and it’s ok, he earned the right to do it his way. As far as being a steward, I have the feeling he is trying to be “politically correct.” It is freaking impossible to do that as a steward.
 
Great race by Pecco, but his team must be left frustrated and contemplating what could have been. Pecco has an even worse record at Catalunya than he does at Le Mans so the importance of this win cannot be understated; however, he should have taken a 10pt chunk out of Martin's lead, rather than ceding more points to the championship leader.

Martin rode a smart race, and preserved a championship lead in excess of 37 points, despite being second best all weekend. The season is long, and his lead could evaporate quickly, but it must be nice for him to know he could double DNF and still be in the championship lead.

Time to find out if the new and improved Mav exists. This weekend was a repeat of his missteps from last year. Mediocre qualifying, followed by terrible starts, and single digit points payoffs. Acosta's mishap on race day has kept Maverick in 5th place. He also gained a point on Bastianini, who fell victim to the race stewards. We'll see if he can turn it around. In the past, he could be knocked out of contention by a gentle breeze. Maybe he is more resilient?

Binder's stock is in freefall because he isn't making any impact at the front since Qatar, but his problem boils down to Saturdays. He's in 8th place, 8 points behind Acosta, because Brad has scored just 9 points in 6 sprint races this season. Acosta has scored 31 points by my tally. These stats put his Saturday DNF in perspective and show that his crash was part of a pattern. Brad cannot manage anything on Saturday this year, and it's causing him to be shown up by Acosta.
 
Acosta has lost the front a couple of times but he looks better on the brakes and into the corners than just about anybody, certainly anyone on a KTM.
They need to keep him.
 
The notion that top speed on the straightaway is the key to wins, historically, has been disproved over and over again.
I probably shouldn't speak for gui22a but that's not now I interpreted his post. He merely stated at this race with a fairly long straight, the GP23 was faster in a straight line when we've been hearing how the GP24 has made yet another step in top-end speed. Your points are well taken though. Ducati always seemed to have the outright speed but they couldn't get the bike to turn. The solved that and voila, championships. I was quite impressed with Pedro's bike flying down the straight. Damn shame he crashed though I was getting the same feeling I had about Raul in the sprint. It just felt inevitable due to how hard he was pushing.

When I heard Marc was going with the soft tire, my heart sank a little. Yea, WTF do I know? Wish he could make it to Q2.
 
Binder is a nice hardworking team guy, like Dovi. Probably makes it hard to let them go.
 
When I heard Marc was going with the soft tire, my heart sank a little. Yea, WTF do I know? Wish he could make it to Q2.

Ditto. He made it work but was struggling to hold Aleix off in those last couple of laps. Got it done though.
Surprised to see Pedro also go with soft on the rear.
 
Back in the Casey Stoner days the Ducati only worked when ridden flat out however, if he tried to ride conservatively he often crashed.
I recall Crutchlow on the GP14.1 ease up on the last lap while in a safe 2nd place. The front tyre cooled and he crashed because of it
Jack ain't gonna be on that grid next year.
Yeh, not many European bikes behind him in the championship

I was hoping Acosta would take his first win. Looked like he lost a wing in the crash

Points between Martin, Bagnaia and MM are roughly the same as previous with Bastianini loosing ground, now about 60 points behind Martin. While we can’t predict the unexpected it looks like Bastianini is out of the championship hunt
 
Just watched the race. Even though I railed like an old man (I may be!) at the changes instituted by Dorna and I’m still not totally on board with the Sprint races, today’s race (and yesterday’s) were top of the pops! Awesome job from virtually everybody. Maybe even especially from Acosta. The entire podium (and Aleix) did what needed to be done. It didn’t look easy for anybody.

Spencer was incredible as a racer. It doesn’t matter how long he delivered that magic. Some are destined to burn brightly and briefly. He put everything into it. I also saw him after the “bright” period and it’s ok, he earned the right to do it his way. As far as being a steward, I have the feeling he is trying to be “politically correct.” It is freaking impossible to do that as a steward.
Sure, I don’t doubt how great Freddie was as a racer, winning the 250 and 500 titles in the semi modern era was incredible and even if you were allowed to run in both ‘moto 2 and MotoGP now I doubt his feat could be repeated, and he obviously beat no less a rider than Eddie Lawson to win the 500 title as well. He seemed to be first in the line of extraordinary riders who have won most of Honda’s titles, and Casey Stoner my all time favourite even ahead of Mick Doohan also “only” won 2 titles, although like Freddie both were won imo in particularly brilliant fashion.

You could be right about how he is adjudicating, but whatever he is doing doesn’t seem to be on the merits of individual cases.
 
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I probably shouldn't speak for gui22a but that's not now I interpreted his post. He merely stated at this race with a fairly long straight, the GP23 was faster in a straight line when we've been hearing how the GP24 has made yet another step in top-end speed. Your points are well taken though. Ducati always seemed to have the outright speed but they couldn't get the bike to turn. The solved that and voila, championships. I was quite impressed with Pedro's bike flying down the straight. Damn shame he crashed though I was getting the same feeling I had about Raul in the sprint. It just felt inevitable due to how hard he was pushing.

When I heard Marc was going with the soft tire, my heart sank a little. Yea, WTF do I know? Wish he could make it to Q2.
Sure, but I think I will be waiting a long time to see a GP23 pass a GP24 on the straight, and Gigi is a fairly good designer/engineer and would have designed the overall bike package of the GP 24 to be better than the GP23, which is where the dispute arose, not that I have a problem with gui22a’s posts in general.
 
Watching it felt dull, but always exciting. Never knew what could happen until the end. Champions ride from Pecker Bagnaia, Championship ride from Martin. Marc surprised, after so long stuck behind morbid, I didn't think he had a chance at top 5. Pedro is making the errors he has too during his learning curve. I agree with Bestia protest, thought it hilarious that he kept refusing to oblige after repeated escalated penalties. A little bummed for Espargaro, I was sure he had the tyre to overcome Marc at the end.
 
The Catalunya weekend made the championship for this season quite clear, going forward.

The title will be decided between the trio of Martin, Bagnaia and Marquez
The race for the Aprilia seat is on, and the riders lining up for it will feel the pressure in the upcoming weekends
Acosta will be an animal next season, even possibly in the second half of the season

As a personal side topic, Fabio Di Giannantonio is stepping up as the rider to replace the image of the hard-working rider, after Aleix leaves the MotoGP circus.
I really hope we will see him for years to come.
 
Also, Aldeguer is intent to hand the title to someone else. He'll need to become as clinical as he was towards the end of last season.
And Moto3....there will be a lot of action to come. The kids coming through are really fast.
Not to forget MotoE. Zannini 88 points, Casadei 87 points, Gutierrez 86 points....five more rounds to come.
 
Now for the ones who said GP24 top speed and bla bla bla, Barcelona has a long straight, so let's check this. Pecco top speed was 348.3, Jorge was 347.2 and Marquez was 350.6 km/h. So, where is that GP24 top speed superiority? Also, yesterday Pecco said the GP23 has a bit more traction on circuits with low grip.
I'm not saying that GP24 is faster in straight lines than GP23 but your argument is not really relevant. Marquez had soft rear tyre that provides better corner speed so he was able to leave T14 faster than those who choose medium, especially in first laps and Marquez got some aspirations (widely seen on TV) while Martin and Banania didn't get lot of ones.
Concerning traction, I think it's classic ........ from VR46 pupils... Marquez with soft tyre wasn't able to catch Morbidelli with medium during few laps in the stands straight line.
 

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