As long as his next incarnation isn't from Nepal... At least he keeps the overall post count up.
2024 Gran Premio Estrella Galicia 0,0 de España - Circuit Jerez
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Unlike at Portimao and much like at Austin, I was convinced he'd end up in the gravel again. It looked like there was a gigantic amount of risk involved.
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That is what was claimed after the race.
Interesting to see the overhead shots.
I'd say Bezz was at fault. He and Binder were scrappy for the entire lap before, and he went wide trying to pass Bagnaia. He then cut back without taking into account that Binder nor Bagnaia would not be able to see him.
Vinales doing what Vinales does!
Every great talent has a huge crash sooner or later. Jorge Lorenzo in China 2008, Marc in Mugello 2013 etc. I'm glad he's ok.
I would disagree, Gigi wants Marc on the factory team according to some sources. If he is going to be a title threat, they'll want him on the red bike.
Very immature.
Notice how, the minute Marc passed him in the sprint, he started rising like a ....?
Ok, lets compare it to the other GP23's then. A bike that EVERY other rider on one, has had at least 1 yr of Ducati experience or in most cases, their entire career.
For 'Finished races"
Avg position:
Marc: 3rd
Alex: 8th
Bezz: 7.75
Diggia: 7.5
Qualifying:
Marc: 4.5
Alex: 10.25
Bezz: 8.25
Diggia: 9
Marc is clearly a step ahead of the other 3.
Yup, the Beast in 2023, and Bezz in 2024.
Something I respect hugely about him. I'll add that as someone who came back to doing the sport I love from a potentially career (hobby in my case) ending injury that could also have changed my quality of life, I have no time for anyone who bad mouths him without good reason. .... them. Marc is still showing a burning hunger to win and fight, at the same time another world champion has taken a big money deal to stay at a back of the grid team.
No one on earth can say Marc being back at the front has not made the racing more exciting.
I've been away all weekend and have not had time to catch up with the thread, nor add much more than was already said.
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Dont jump in. I am talking to michaelm not you. He is quite talkative and does not need you to explain his idea.
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Thats not how a forum works. If you don't want others to reply to your nonsense send a private message and talk there.
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that data would not necessarily be conclusive, because we don't know what setting he was in when that data was recorded, its likely he only uses that top setting when he really needs it. Obviously he uses it on the opening lap, and saves it for a couple instances during the race.
If Rossi and Marquez were pitted against one another for my vote in a popularity contest, I would choose Rossi. However, I would also criticize Rossi more heavily because his excellence is accompanied by a wide variety of bad personality traits and poor behavior. It's true that Vale's worst days, like Jerez 2005 or Malaysia 2015, are just another Sunday for Marc, but that's about the only favorable comparison for Rossi, if misgivings are being considered.
The us vs them tribalism within the MotoGP fanbase is another byproduct of Rossi's reign. Vale is not relevant right now. Marquez is trying to overcome an injury and overcome a rulebook that was probably adopted before his injury to give the sport some intrigue. Vale faced similar challenges when the formula was changed and control tires were adopted, but he always made the sport personal. Vale vs Casey. Vale vs Lorenzo. Vale vs Marc. Fans are pushing back against the pointless interpersonal conflicts.
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I'd argue that Valentino was an indirect instigator of the control tyre, after he demanded Bridgestones in 2008. Shortly after that, Pedrosa moved over and the writing was on the wall so Michelin left.
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That, my friends, is a true showing of absolute respect.
This was my original assessment, but over time, I've realized this could be a chicken-egg situation.
At the conclusion of 2007, Rossi was reportedly hovering over the GPC meetings. The assumption was that Dorna and Rossi were pushing a move to Bridgestone to keep the championship interesting, but the negotiations could have gone differently. Bridgestone were probably being forced to give up some competitive advantage. If you're making a concession to Michelin for "safety", it's in your best interest to remove Rossi-Burgess from their garage.
Did Rossi and Dorna force Bridgestone's hand? Was Rossi suggested as offsetting compensation for adopting new regulations? Did Bridgestone demand Rossi, and despite Rossi's amenability, it took time for the GPC to actually agree? Technically, we don't even know that new tire regulations occurred, it's just stands to reason.
All of the craziness that transpired in 2008 has made me less certain that Valentino strong-armed his way into the Bridgestone garage.
Just for ..... and giggles, would Qatar be a good example of the GP24 in its top setting? If so, the GP24 is 10 kph (6 mph) faster than..................................the GP24 and race winning bike. At COTA the GP 24 and RC 16 both topped out at 350.6.
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I can see Dorna pushing in the name of 'making the championship more interesting', but not Rossi. Unless I read your statement incorrectly. I did find this interview with the then Michelin Competition Director, in which he states:
https://www.eurosport.com/moto/rossi-to-use-bridgestones_sto1352109/story.shtml
Interestingly, the aboive article does support some of your statement.
So maybe Rossi knew through the GPC that Dorna were likely to introduce a one tyre rule, and tried to get in before everyone else? Either way, Ducati were screwed for over 5 years by the decision, despite trying to switch to Michelins. Reading the article below, they tried to switch, and Michelin tried courting Gresini (Honda at the time) along with Suzuki, according to Krop.
Ducati To Switch To Michelin - Single Tire Proposal To Be Scrapped? | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks
As always, there is one story, and another. Then somewhere in between, is the truth.
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From what I can gather, Gigi absolutely adores Marc.
I think he wants Marc on the factory Ducati because that gives the team the best opportunity to win every single GP in the season. I don't think he will be too concerned by what Pecco thinks about it. Or Jorge Martin for that matter. I think Gigi wants a rider who shows off the very best of what he has designed because even though I'm not a fan of GP Aero, Gigi is incredible when it comes to designing a GP bike. It still blows my mind how he was able to build a platform around the Desmo engine that now works everywhere. Kudos to him for figuring out how to make all of this work within the technical regulations.
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To the Marc haters...
Yes I admit to being a huge fan of Marc. He's the first racer since the late Ayrton Senna that captured my imagination unlike any other. Win or lose, Marc is simply spectacular on a GP bike. I said to myself back in 2016, enjoy every moment you see of Marc because you will never see this level of talent in GP ever again. I really enjoy watching Acosta, but he's not as fast as Marc is. I fully expect him to be a world champion one day regardless. I think way back to 2002 when I was watching Valentino, and I thought he was good V5 Honda or not. But Marc is why I get up at 4AM to watch GP racing. You never know what he is going to do. He is absolutely sensational to watch whether it's sliding the bike through corners, or taking time gap deficits and closing them up within a few laps. His 2019 season in my opinion is the single greatest GP season ever accomplished. He single-handedly won the world title and constructor's championship. No one else has ever accomplished that feat over the length of a season that existed in 2019. Hating on him over some ridiculous conspiracy theory that was propagated by VR when he saw his precious 10th title slipping away is absolute lunacy. My only real regret with Marc is we will never know what he could have done in the 500cc World Championship. We talk about Freddie, Eddie, Kevin, Wayne, and Mick, but could you imagine Marc mixing it up with them on the 2 strokes? That to me would have been heaven. But remembering the battles of that era, Marc is cut from that mold, in particular the Doohan mold. He's absolutely relentless, and never gives up. That alone is why I place him above almost everyone. Even if he never wins another title, I won't lose any sleep over it because watching him do what he did is the kind of stuff I would tell my grandkids about.
Yes I admit to being a huge fan of Marc. He's the first racer since the late Ayrton Senna that captured my imagination unlike any other. Win or lose, Marc is simply spectacular on a GP bike. I said to myself back in 2016, enjoy every moment you see of Marc because you will never see this level of talent in GP ever again. I really enjoy watching Acosta, but he's not as fast as Marc is. I fully expect him to be a world champion one day regardless. I think way back to 2002 when I was watching Valentino, and I thought he was good V5 Honda or not. But Marc is why I get up at 4AM to watch GP racing. You never know what he is going to do. He is absolutely sensational to watch whether it's sliding the bike through corners, or taking time gap deficits and closing them up within a few laps. His 2019 season in my opinion is the single greatest GP season ever accomplished. He single-handedly won the world title and constructor's championship. No one else has ever accomplished that feat over the length of a season that existed in 2019. Hating on him over some ridiculous conspiracy theory that was propagated by VR when he saw his precious 10th title slipping away is absolute lunacy. My only real regret with Marc is we will never know what he could have done in the 500cc World Championship. We talk about Freddie, Eddie, Kevin, Wayne, and Mick, but could you imagine Marc mixing it up with them on the 2 strokes? That to me would have been heaven. But remembering the battles of that era, Marc is cut from that mold, in particular the Doohan mold. He's absolutely relentless, and never gives up. That alone is why I place him above almost everyone. Even if he never wins another title, I won't lose any sleep over it because watching him do what he did is the kind of stuff I would tell my grandkids about.
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I agree. I certainly don't think this weekends performance helped Martin's case. He didn't have the pace to win the sprint and only an error from Marc allowed him to do so. Then he dropped from the lead of the feature race. He said he won't make that mistake again, but he said that after Mandalika last yr.
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Agreed. Senna was my first racing hero but I dislike the mythical status that dying the way he did has elevated him to. This season has been far more exciting than any of the last 4 seasons, because Marc is up there. Like him or not, he makes the sport exciting. When was the last time there was a duel like we saw on Sunday? And you're right, he is spectacular. Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear fame once did a story on Senna and he said
It's sad so many people hate on him because of Rossi. Because I've said the same thing. We are unlikely to ever see a rider of his caliber in our lifetimes, if ever. His acheivements often get downplayed but the fate of his team mates in the late 2010's show how much he was propping that Honda up, and this season is showing how bad the current RC213V is. He has won titles with control tyres, control ECU's, against legends like Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, who, at 38 and retired for 6 yrs. still got a sprint podium on the weekend. That was the sort of level he was against, and beat.
I loved watching him move the bike around on Sunday!
He single handedly won the Riders, Constructors and Teams title for Repsol Honda...A single rider beat the combined tally of every other factory team and apart from his off in COTA (which I still think was mechanical, given Lorenzo's bike stopped on track too), he finished on the podium in every single race. I agree with your statement.
They don't hate on him for that. They hate him because he beat Rossi. Just like Casey did and just like Jorge Lorenzo did. All three are loathed by the Valeban. What's the connection I wonder?
My one regret is he saved that first crash at Jerez 2020. I think he would have certainly won the 2020 and 2021 titles without that second crash....
I'm lucky, I get to watch races with my kid, who can see it first hand.
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I too was not a fan of the mythical status given to him after his death. But I blame the documentary for doing that because I don't recall the mentality being that until that documentary hit. They did I guess an excellent job of making it seem like he was a deity given to us from the heavens. No, he was just one of the most supremely gifted racing drivers who ever lived. But with Senna, I always thought anything was possible with him when the lights went out just like with Marc.
Bingo, the hate is entirely derived from the ramblings of two idiots (VR and Uccio) who were too stupid to figure out that VR was not fast enough down the stretch in 2015 to win the title. Forgetting the incident between Marc and VR, Dani and Jorge were absolutely gone. No one was catching either one of them that day, and if you need to win a title, you needed to be up front with those 2.
Marc is like the Ghost of Christmas past for the VR fanbase.
Agreed about that first Jerez crash. Not going to lie, but Sunday, I was having flashbacks to the second Jerez 2020 crash, because I don't feel that's a circuit with good omens for Marc, but he made it work yesterday. I held my breath every time he went through turn 4. That's great you watch it with your kid, he'll appreciate that years down the road. The Spanish crowd going ape .... for Marc for the first time I can ever recall was special. Everyone not associated with VR wants to see Marc do well. It must still be eating up VR since he needs to try and insert himself into the picture any way he can.
