WTF have Yamaha done!!!!?

moto vudu said:

Mistake at COTA and Assen. He lost out on a very likely podium at Mugello through no fault of his own. Lorenzo was lucky his engine took a dump in practice... Rossi not so much.

Pace is fine, just can't make very many mistakes racing at this level. Still, anything can happen and MM isn't immune to making mistakes himself.

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Yep, Lorenzo was fortunate that his engine failed in practice and yes one could say that he (VR) missed out on a likely podium but the FACTS are that he did not podium and thus, like all who claim that it was likely the reality is that one never will know.

Personally I find it interesting that people suppose that VR would have or likely would have gotten a podium if his motor did not cactus itself, but no such leeway is afforded others, least of all that JL would likely have podiumed at Assen were it dry. You see, Assen was not dry and thus JL had a shocker so to suppose he would likely have podiumed is as correct as ti is to say that VR would likely have podiumed at Mugello. Both are assumptions, neither is factual or reality.

Again however you say that the pace is fine but it is not borne out in the results of the season to date which I shall remind have him 40 or so points backwards of one of those guys that is seemingly as competitive. Sure early days with races galore to come, and no doubt VR himself would say that he has been competitive but that his championship standing does not show it, and he like you and many others will believe it, but come years end the points count and what ifs mean squat

BarryMachine said:

I want to like the fact Daniboy likes Vudus posts and vice versa ....... but there is no such button !

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Damn!

Quit liking my post Vudu!

I want to unlike Vudus "like" of my post, but there is no button for it ....... ( and dont go liking that there is no like or unlike button for that vudu! )

Daniboy said:

Cognitive .... all! Take a look at this years races and he has been challenging for wins even if luck and bad judgement have played a part in him not finishing some races. He was still doing well but of course only results matter to you. .

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See, and here is the thing ................. Ianonne can say the same but most would say that he would be dreaming (to quote and Aussie classic movie)


As for the highlighted, yes only results matter and I bet that if VR or any of these top guys were to be asked (and gave an honest answer) they would all say that first place in the title is everything, that is why they are there as all other positions just mean that they are losers.

Harsh but reality that these guys will not, do not and due to their innate competitive nature cannot accept anything other than first. Yes some days they will accept second or perhaps third but that is a race and the likes of VR etc are racing for a title, thus they will happily accept their best on a bad day in order to get as many points as possible towards their main and end goal, a championship.

True however that results may not be voiced as the primary driving force for these people as they will say that it is the thrill of riding, putting on a show and so forth, but one only needs to look at the frustration when they perform poorly to know that results are everything.

Do not believe, than let us look no further than VR after Mugello who it was reported was inconsolable at what had transpired and took a long time to come out from his trailer such was his state of mind (disgust/frustration/upset etc)

Daniboy said:

No offence Gaz but if you can't see that in the current season his speed is up to par with MM and JL if not better at times, that is your issue. His position in the championship is not a good reflection of his competitiveness.

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Right, and your position as the forum ...... is not a good reflection of your retarded posts

Daniboy said:

Cognitive .... all! Take a look at this years races and he has been challenging for wins even if luck and bad judgement have played a part in him not finishing some races. He was still doing well but of course only results matter to you. And you still didn't answer my point about me not being the first person you told to stfu.

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Judgement is part and parcel of racing ability. Luck just goes with the game. When you're on one of 4 best bikes on the grid, your luck quotient is much higher than it is for the other riders. Luck works both ways. Lorenzo is lucky to be on the one of the best bikes, to have one of the best crews etc. etc. etc.

Never said you were the "first" person I ever told to STFU. This is just transparent deflection. And you (as has been pointed out by just about everybody on the forum) are pretty much the worst offender when it comes to not answering questions revealing truths inconvenient to your pathetic fairytale narrative.

Bottom line Rossi is way the .... down in the points, but of course by your lights that's because he's so great.:happy:

Daniboy said:

No offence Gaz but if you can't see that in the current season his speed is up to par with MM and JL if not better at times, that is your issue. His position in the championship is not a good reflection of his competitiveness.

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Still making excuses for Rossi. It's really getting old, just like him. Races are where it matters and Rossi has failed so far.

Lorenzo keeps chucking it in the gravel, and still out scores Rossi. Marquez just pissed on him by half a second, really competitive that is.

BarryMachine said:

Last few rounds Yamaha have looked second rate.

It almost seems that since they let Lorenzo go that they have lost the plot.

What is in the minds of the folk at Yamaha that they have put all of their eggs in the rossi basket case.

Its like they have hired some wack religion to guide their future motogp program.

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Just cuz rossi crashed from the lead at assen and lorenzo has been down 3 times already?? Keep in mind they won 4 straight races prior assen. :mask::mask::hot:

imunderandoverit said:

Just cuz rossi crashed from the lead at assen and lorenzo has been down 3 times already?? Keep in mind they won 4 straight races prior assen. :mask::mask::hot:

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Fer Chrissake read the ....... post before replying.

Last few rounds Yamaha have looked second rate.

It almost seems that since they let Lorenzo go that they have lost the plot.

What is in the minds of the folk at Yamaha that they have put all of their eggs in the rossi basket case.

Its like they have hired some wack religion to guide their future motogp program.

He's not discussing the entire career of the riders in question nor the history of Yamaha going back a decade. He's talking about the "the last few races".

Did u read what i even wrote??

'Keep in mind they won 4 straight races prior assen'


better??

Richy56 said:

Still making excuses for Rossi. It's really getting old, just like him. Races are where it matters and Rossi has failed so far.

Lorenzo keeps chucking it in the gravel, and still out scores Rossi. Marquez just pissed on him by half a second, really competitive that is.

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We'll see tomorrow.

Richy56 said:

Still making excuses for Rossi. It's really getting old, just like him. Races are where it matters and Rossi has failed so far.

Lorenzo keeps chucking it in the gravel, and still out scores Rossi. Marquez just pissed on him by half a second, really competitive that is.

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Did u watch the Q? He got stuck behind 2 bikes and could have gone way faster. He has been fast all season. But tomorrow will be all about marc.

imunderandoverit said:

Did u watch the Q? He got stuck behind 2 bikes and could have gone way faster. He has been fast all season. But tomorrow will be all about marc.

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Yeah I watched. Shouldn't have got stuck he decided to follow Maverick. Why he do that if he was so quick.

Like was said he got stuck, I also watched and that is what happened.


Yamaha MotoGP rider Valentino Rossi believes he was lucky to qualify on the front row of the grid for Sunday's German Grand Prix.

Rossi qualified third at the Sachsenring, finishing 0.412 seconds behind polesitter Marc Marquez, to secure his fifth front-row start of the year, equalling his entire 2015 tally.

After setting a 1m21.666s on his first run, he did not improve in the closing stages as Pramac Ducati rider Danilo Petrucci set an identical time, but Rossi's second-best lap was faster.

From Rossi in third, the balance of the top 10 was split by just 0.226s.

"I'm very lucky to remain in the front row because unfortunately I wasn't able to improve with the second tyre because I was stuck in traffic," he said.

"Usually one or two people improve with the second tyre and you finish [the session] seventh.

"But fortunately I was able to stay on the front row, it's a good place to start the race."

Rossi admitted Yamaha struggled in Friday's cooler conditions, and he finished the day 14th.

His fortunes improved with increased temperatures on Saturday, but he remains wary of different conditions on Sunday.

"In the right condition we are quite competitive, we can make a good race," he said.

"But it looks in practice that Marquez is a bit faster, so it will be difficult.

"But now the bigger question mark for everybody is the weather, because everybody is saying that tomorrow will be more similar to yesterday, and it seems to be very, very cold.

"We are in big, big trouble [if it's cold] because we are not able to ride the bike.

"If it is wet it's a big question mark for everybody because we start from zero and we don't know if we are competitive or not."

MARQUEZ WARY OF ROSSI THREAT

Marquez is undefeated at the Sachsenring in the MotoGP class, but he expects Rossi to be more of a threat in race trim than he was on Saturday.

"I did a good lap but honestly for tomorrow like I already said yesterday, Valentino is not far [off the pace]," said Marquez.

"Maybe on one lap he has four tenths [deficit] or something like this, but for the race pace we are very, very similar.

"We will try to manage the start well. If it's wet it's a question mark for everybody."

If it rains tomorrow; it'll be an interesting race! Looks like it will!

So if it doesn't rain and it's cool does that mean the Yamahas will be lucky to finish top 10

More like; rossi will be lucky if he finishes on the podium, lorenzo will be lucky if he's in the top 10 and marc will be lucky if he doesnt crash and torpedone will be lucky if he doesnt torpedo into someone lol.

imunderandoverit said:

Did u read what i even wrote??

'Keep in mind they won 4 straight races prior assen'


better??

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It doesn't change the validity of the statement you are (lamely) trying to challenge. So, no... not better.
It's still irrelevant.

Yes. Cuz u are taking about previous season, im talking about previous races this season like he was..

imunderandoverit said:

Did u watch the Q? He got stuck behind 2 bikes and could have gone way faster. He has been fast all season. But tomorrow will be all about marc.

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He was there hoping for a tow and a faster time. Why of all the places he could have entered the track on his second run, did he do it with a group of 3 riders directly in front of him. Saying he could go way faster is saving face from being destroyed by over half a second to the guy you are supposed to be chasing down for the title. You boppers live breath and believe anything Rossi says dont you

Keshav said:

Judgement is part and parcel of racing ability. Luck just goes with the game. When you're on one of 4 best bikes on the grid, your luck quotient is much higher than it is for the other riders. Luck works both ways. Lorenzo is lucky to be on the one of the best bikes, to have one of the best crews etc. etc. etc.

Never said you were the "first" person I ever told to STFU. This is just transparent deflection. And you (as has been pointed out by just about everybody on the forum) are pretty much the worst offender when it comes to not answering questions revealing truths inconvenient to your pathetic fairytale narrative.

Bottom line Rossi is way the .... down in the points, but of course by your lights that's because he's so great.:happy:

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http://motogpforum.com/motogp/19593...emio-d-italia-tim-spoilers-35.html#post412620
Oh yes you did, memory jog ?