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WTF have Yamaha done!!!!?
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Norah Head
Yeah sure ...
you are a fruitcake and are trying to imply the opposite of reality again.
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But you know that's not a true statement, in FACT his decision to part company with Burgess was wholly vindicated by better results. The fruit content is between your ears.
I think Burgess's influence is over-rated with Rossi as well as other riders, but the actual "facts" are 7 titles with, none without.
Rossi is the one who made the decision to go to Ducati btw, not Burgess, who was fairly dismissive of Ducati on the Australian TV coverage of one of the GPs during Rossi's forced absence with injury in 2010.
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His results with JB were in decline and the appointment of Galbusera reversed that, I should have pointed out that I wasn't referring to his whole moto gp career.
I don't know how much influence Burgess or Galbusera had on the results in question, and somehow doubt Galbusera would have improved Rossi's results at Ducati, that particular adventure being of Rossi's choosing probably against JB's advice as I said.
Sure Burgess appeared to have lost faith in Rossi's ability to be competitive in the first year of VR's return to Yamaha, so it is understandable Rossi saw fit to replace him, although his method of doing so did seem somewhat brusque after such a long association.
Be fair ................. compare your great one's first two years with JB versus the first two years with the new guy (you can compare three if needed)
With JB:
Year 1 - second in the World Championship in his first year in the category
Year 2 - World Championship
Year 3 - World Championship
The final year for JB was the return of the prodigal son to Yamaha that saw him finish 4th in the title following on from the disaster of the Ducati years of 7th and 6th. Yes a decline in performance but one of his own making at a time when ego ruled the roost and where JB went with him rather that retire as he has said many times he wanted to do and should have done.
In fact, with JB and save the last three years Rossi had finished third in 2010 (the broken leg) and again in 2007 where he finished behind Pedrosa by a single solitary point (the year the Ducati rode itself to victory after victory)
With Galbusera
Year 1 - second in the World Championship
Year 2 - second in the World Championship
Year 3 - third in the world championship but somewhat still a work in progress
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No doubt at all that JB had 'fallen out of love' of Rossi as that was made patently clear with the public comments of JB where he was critical of Rossi in a few aspects together with the unceremonious and very public dumping of a long term employee (remember it is said that JB learnt of the axing via the press)
But if you wish to compare the last year then let us do that - 4th v 3rd thus far is not that great an improvement when you are on one of only 4 bikes with a realistic title chance.
If you wish to compare against 2015 then that is a 2nd versus a 4th
But the fact remains that since dumping JB, Rossi's overall results are not that great in championship terms and it is championships that most of these guys want, although dare I say that records are driving VR
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So improved technology, tyres etc don't play their part in that?
No offence but just because he is faster today than he was near 4 years ago does not mean that he is closer to championships as others have also improved times exponentially as well, thus he may be farther from a title if one wants to read figures that way.
Grasping again there Dani.
Sure his qualifying times or at least the results do seem to be a bit better, but that again does not mean that it automatically means improved results as once again, competition is of the essence as today there are realistically 4 bikes only with a chance. Plus if some are to be believed one is ridden by a basket case prick of a team mate (who happens to have more points that the great one on a ytd base) whilst another is ridden by a guy who is only there because of Repsol
On top of that, I cannot recall the last time that MotoGP or GP awarded points for qualifying and nor can I recall a qualifying world championship ever been proclaimed (although we did once have a Mundialito)
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Oye vey! So what exactly is it a reflection of??? You think there's no correlation? Cognitive dissonance much?
Rossi's ...... standing in the points is a direct result of how great he is - right?
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Oye vey! So what exactly is it a reflection of??? You think there's no correlation? Cognitive dissonance much?
Rossi's ...... standing in the points is a direct result of how great he is - right?
Yes!
Now I bet you cant create a fairytale anywhere near as good as Daniboy or Vudu can, to explain why this is the real bopposite answer.
Funny the mutual like society of you two, but if his pace is up to par than why is he behind in the points - FACT!
One cannot be competitive if one does not finish.
And again, do you not believe nay suspect that improved technology in all aspects (tyres etc) have allowed his speed to increase as if not, it is that which is your issue (and as I said previously, the same applies exponentially for the others)
Here is another fact, racing of today is producing faster laptimes than racing of 2 years ago which in turn was faster than 2 years before that and so forth when one looks year to year (there are/were exceptions and changes to capacity impacted for a year). As such were he not faster today that he should be sacked but as we know, that would be the fault of the engineers/tyres/tracks/Yamaha/Ianonne/Marquez/Lorenzo etc etc .
If it is the fact that he is faster that is so illuminating, may I ask if he was competitive on the Ducati as at times he was faster in a full race on the Duke than he had been on the Yamaha but rather than finish in the top 3 he would struggle to finish 5 - 7. If bikes did not improve year to year than the manufacturer has taken a substantial backwards step (not allowing for DORNA implications)
You say that his position is not a reflection of his competetiveness but is that not a blinkered view given that the championship is that which is so craved?
Does the same also apply to Ianonne who has shown flashes of brilliance and speed but languishes down the championship pecking order?
Or what of Dovisioso who has suffered a few DNF's not of his own making which afflicts his championship position?
Or perhaps even Pedrosa who is yet to come to grips with the Honda/Tyres and languishes back in points?
Are these three also suffering from 'the championship points is not a true reflection'.
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Mistake at COTA and Assen. He lost out on a very likely podium at Mugello through no fault of his own. Lorenzo was lucky his engine took a dump in practice... Rossi not so much.
Pace is fine, just can't make very many mistakes racing at this level. Still, anything can happen and MM isn't immune to making mistakes himself.
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Oye vey! So what exactly is it a reflection of??? You think there's no correlation? Cognitive dissonance much?
Rossi's ...... standing in the points is a direct result of how great he is - right?
Cognitive .... all! Take a look at this years races and he has been challenging for wins even if luck and bad judgement have played a part in him not finishing some races. He was still doing well but of course only results matter to you. And you still didn't answer my point about me not being the first person you told to stfu.
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Norah Head
So MM was unlucky not to win the championship last year? He usually had competitive pace but had bike problems and made errors of judgement.
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