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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden is a mediocre rider in best case. Only because of American passport he has seat on top MotoGP machinery for such a long time despite delivered shambolic results. And, at the end of his stint (i repeat, much longer stint then he deserved) on Honda he turned himself into a classless hypocrite. So he's not such a good guy like his fanbase here pretends.
You're absolutely right that Hayden was a hypocrite. He admitted it and here's the proof:

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It's a sad day to be a fan of the 2006 World Champion... Why do I have such loyalty to such a loser? WHY!? Why can't I simply love the 2006 runner up like you do?
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I don't love 2006 runner up, but I have deep respect for him as a rider. Give credit where credit is due. Pathetic mediochrithetic so called 2006 champ Nicky Hayden didn't deserve any credit.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't love 2006 runner up, but I have deep respect for him as a rider. Give credit where credit is due. Pathetic mediochrithetic so called 2006 champ Nicky Hayden didn't deserve any credit.
I've never said anything negative regarding Rossi's riding. Full respect to that man, arguably the greatest rider of all time, certainly the greatest I've ever witnessed. But if we are doling out lessons on respect I suggest you listen up. The Kid could slide it underneath you on a Vespa while masturbating and disappear into the distance. Additionally, he did win the 2006 World Championship. So take a page from your own diluted book, and respect.
 
Riddle me this #41.

Forget head to head stats and all of that.

If it was only Rossi's annus horribilis that gave Hayden the title why didn't someone else win it.

Why didn't Loris win it for example?

Why did Nicki win if he is crap?

What happened to the other riders?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he did win the 2006 World Championship. So take a page from your own diluted book, and respect.

No he didn't. Yamaha win 2006 World Championship for him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 11 2008, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why didn't Loris win it for example?

Ask Gibernau.

Capi deserved that title much more than Hayden. Melandri also.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No he didn't. Yamaha win 2006 World Championship for him.
How could Yamaha win it for him when he was riding for Honda at the time? That doesn't even make sense Pinky. Come on, you must give some more thought to your arguments before you post them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ask Gibernau.

Capi deserved that title much more than Hayden. Melandri also.
Well if it is as simple as you make it seem, why didn't Melandri just walk up and take it as you're suggesting Hayden did. Melandri had a Honda, the same as Pedrosa's (remember, Melandri and Pedrosa's machines did not have the clutch issues of Hayden's); a teammate who didn't take him out (Capirossi and Hayden both had one); and he won races just like Valentino Rossi. Surely he had all the makings of a World Champion. So why didn't he win?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2008, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How could Yamaha win it for him when he was riding for Honda at the time? That doesn't even make sense Pinky. Come on, you must give some more thought to your arguments before you post them.


Yamaha costed Rossi more than 50 points.

We must not forget Gibernau too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We must not forget Gibernau too.
Gibernau only cost Capirossi 25 points. Pedrosa cost Hayden the same amount.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So why didn't he win?

Catalunya.

Despite that crash he's (on satellite bike) won more races than Hayden in 2006.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Catalunya.

Despite that crash he's (on satellite bike) won more races than Hayden in 2006.
He didn't win because of Catalunya? He missed out on potentially 25 points. As I mentioned before, Hayden lost the same amount of points when he was taken out by Pedrosa at Estoril. You'll have to do better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2008, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gibernau only cost Capirossi 25 points. Pedrosa cost Hayden the same amount.

Sure. And Pedrosa cost Hayden some injuries also.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2008, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He didn't win because of Catalunya? He missed out on potentially 25 points. As I mentioned before, Hayden lost the same amount of points when he was taken out by Pedrosa at Estoril. You'll have to do better.

Hayden had factory bike. That's at least 50 points bonus already on season start, but of course not in Hayden's case because he is incapable.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He didn't win because of Catalunya? He missed out on potentially 25 points. As I mentioned before, Hayden lost the same amount of points when he was taken out by Pedrosa at Estoril. You'll have to do better.

Dude, thanks for asking the questions I was going to ask
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Okay #41 - Could it be that Hayden was chasing the championship and NOT Rossi, and that Sete in fact lost because he became embroiled in a ... for tat game with another rider instead of keeping his eye on the prize?

If Sete didn’t temporise and engage in that one on one dispute he may have won?

That Hayden didn’t do this maybe shows a superior strategy (instead of poor Sete who could only employ tactics)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure. And Pedrosa cost Hayden some injuries also.
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You're right, the torn apart shoulder was a result of choking his chicken. I'm sure the fall had nothing to do with it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden had factory bike. That's at least 50 points bonus already on season start, but of course not in Hayden's case because he is incapable.
Well if all factory riders get 50 points then shouldn't Rossi have won by 45 points?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More on that. But Yam's tech problems prevented him to do that.
But you said factory riders, with the exception of Hayden because of his incompetence, get 50 points. So really the 2006 world championship should look like this:

1. Valentino Rossi 297
2. Loris Capirossi 279
3. Dani Pedrosa 265
4. Nicky Hayden 252

But why does the record book read this way?:

1. Nicky Hayden 252
2. Valentino Rossi 247
3. Loris Capirossi 229
4. Marco Melandri 228
5. Dani Pedrosa 215
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 11 2008, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But why does the record book read this way?:

Fluke. Rarely happened in MotoGP that WC contender has 3 mechanical DNF's in one season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fluke. Rarely happened in MotoGP that WC contender has 3 mechanical DNF's in one season.
But it still happened. Get on with it.
 

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