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Norah Head
It did happen Marc made it through.. But rossi opened the door then tried to close it when he realised Marquez was going through. Then he feigned the effect by having a ....oo in the grass.
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FNQ
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In Cider
Just finished reading Argentina round up Part 3 on Motomatters, interesting read. Krop does call Rossi's claim that Marquez targeted him deliberately "A step too far".
Later on in the article, he cites a quote from Lorenzo about getting banned for a race in 2005 as support/justification for the same thing to happen to Marquez. One thing about that comment that did interest me though, is how many people (apart from Lorenzo) were calling for Simoncelli to have a one race ban in 2011 when he was crashing out a lot of top riders? In fact quite the opposite; in that now famous press conference with Lorenzo, the media were actively encouraging his behaviour. Call me paranoid but could it have been something to do with the fact that Simoncelli was biddies with, and being touted as the next Rossi?
I'm not defending Marquez' actions in Argentina, but again highlighting the inconsistency.
Later on in the article, he cites a quote from Lorenzo about getting banned for a race in 2005 as support/justification for the same thing to happen to Marquez. One thing about that comment that did interest me though, is how many people (apart from Lorenzo) were calling for Simoncelli to have a one race ban in 2011 when he was crashing out a lot of top riders? In fact quite the opposite; in that now famous press conference with Lorenzo, the media were actively encouraging his behaviour. Call me paranoid but could it have been something to do with the fact that Simoncelli was biddies with, and being touted as the next Rossi?
I'm not defending Marquez' actions in Argentina, but again highlighting the inconsistency.
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matlock
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Italy
The "Spanish" influence against Rossi? This makes me cringe. No rider in the history of this sport has ever been more advantaged by the rules than Rossi himself.
Also, Marquez "can't win with talent"? AHAHAHA dude, I'm not saying he rode clean on sunday but he was a good couple seconds faster than the guys he was overtaking.
It's also not true that they want winners to be Spanish rather than Italian. NOTHING would sell more than Rossi clinching his 10th title.
Also, Marquez "can't win with talent"? AHAHAHA dude, I'm not saying he rode clean on sunday but he was a good couple seconds faster than the guys he was overtaking.
It's also not true that they want winners to be Spanish rather than Italian. NOTHING would sell more than Rossi clinching his 10th title.
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Tennessee
Speaking of getting banned, the clickbait title of this thread should warrant a ban. How the .... does this get 3 pages of response . Marquez on a bulldozer is funny, what’s even funnier is he made up over 30 seconds on a bulldozer to catch Rossi
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Shovel's Club
The only thing inaccurate is JLo would not be in the shot. He would be a half lap behind still.
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Your Mom's House
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I understand the overall point, but this is not a change of rules, to the contrary, I'm pointing out something rather routine. The optics look bad because Rossi tried to turn on wet grass and went down. I'll grant that it was caused by Marc taking a space Rossi "thought" he was entitled too, but if you look here, they were even, therefore it's a 50/50 entitlement with the inside rider holding the rightful advantage, worst case it's a "racing incident". This was achieved by Marc, he was even with Rossi when they collided (partly do to Rossi trying to close the door he had just left open). This happens often in routine passes.
Now you probably never noticed it, but I've argued against these types of moves for years. I prefer clean racing, and the only way to do that is to consistently punish unclean racing, and that doesn't mean collision must occur to be dirty, for example Rossi brake checking Stoner at Laguna, no collision, still dirty, and the more severe the greater the punishment. For example, if Race Direction had disqualified Rossi when he deliberately crashed out Marc, and suspended his license for 3-6 months, the message would have been heard loud and clear, deliberate attacks to crash riders is so antithetical, dangerous, and egregious that it has no place in racing. That would be appropriate, and as it goes, punishments serve as deterrent, perhaps it would have prevented the Canet situation. The problem is they're allowed within the framework of the rules, and more importantly within the precedent of the body of Race Direction’s decisions on such incidents. You're saying this isn't allowed within the rules, that's not only incorrect but it's opposed to the general actions of Race Direction who are the supposed authority, and they have in fact been reluctant to punish this, EXCEPT in occasions as rare as this one that it was done to Rossi's detriment. That's exceptionalism. Marquez was effectively disqualified for a race incident that has overwhelmingly gone unreviewed, much less punished.
You may however argue to change the rules, which the media sphere is arguing, as opposed to enforce the rules, big difference. If we don't allow this anymore than let's change the rules, because this type of manure (pun) has been allowed for years, particularly celebrated when Rossi has done it. I've argued against this type of passing in fact (see my Misano take when Rossi took the space inside Lorenzo, where unlike Rossi in this case took evasive action to avoid contact.) That incident wasn't reviewed.
If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
I understand the overall point, but this is not a change of rules, to the contrary, I'm pointing out something rather routine. The optics look bad because Rossi tried to turn on wet grass and went down. I'll grant that it was caused by Marc taking a space Rossi "thought" he was entitled too, but if you look here, they were even, therefore it's a 50/50 entitlement with the inside rider holding the rightful advantage, worst case it's a "racing incident". This was achieved by Marc, he was even with Rossi when they collided (partly do to Rossi trying to close the door he had just left open). This happens often in routine passes.
Now you probably never noticed it, but I've argued against these types of moves for years. I prefer clean racing, and the only way to do that is to consistently punish unclean racing, and that doesn't mean collision must occur to be dirty, for example Rossi brake checking Stoner at Laguna, no collision, still dirty, and the more severe the greater the punishment. For example, if Race Direction had disqualified Rossi when he deliberately crashed out Marc, and suspended his license for 3-6 months, the message would have been heard loud and clear, deliberate attacks to crash riders is so antithetical, dangerous, and egregious that it has no place in racing. That would be appropriate, and as it goes, punishments serve as deterrent, perhaps it would have prevented the Canet situation. The problem is they're allowed within the framework of the rules, and more importantly within the precedent of the body of Race Direction’s decisions on such incidents. You're saying this isn't allowed within the rules, that's not only incorrect but it's opposed to the general actions of Race Direction who are the supposed authority, and they have in fact been reluctant to punish this, EXCEPT in occasions as rare as this one that it was done to Rossi's detriment. That's exceptionalism. Marquez was effectively disqualified for a race incident that has overwhelmingly gone unreviewed, much less punished.
You may however argue to change the rules, which the media sphere is arguing, as opposed to enforce the rules, big difference. If we don't allow this anymore than let's change the rules, because this type of manure (pun) has been allowed for years, particularly celebrated when Rossi has done it. I've argued against this type of passing in fact (see my Misano take when Rossi took the space inside Lorenzo, where unlike Rossi in this case took evasive action to avoid contact.) That incident wasn't reviewed.
If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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I have had over 30 years of enjoyment from gp bike racing. However it appears to be transitioning from being one of the last true sports. That Rossi was slower than Marc to a close to ludicrous extent as a factory Yamaha rider on control tyres seems to be lost in the narrative of what is now in danger of becoming yet another narrative based sport, and it looks as though the narrative this year will be that MM must be stopped from stealing another title from Valentino. Being 2 seconds a lap faster than the poor old codger is obviously blatantly unfair.
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The problem is that Marquez is making 'way too fast on the inside line' his standard move- many times on the last turn of the race. The other guy either lets him by or they both crash. Only Dovi beats him with it on his Ducati.
No- he deserves a penalty on the next race
No- he deserves a penalty on the next race
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Out of Nowhere
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Pomona NY
I've seen races where back markers were penalized for not moving over to let a rider going a much higher speed.
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A caravan on an island
Back markers are being lapped, doesn't matter that mm was faster, he still should respect track position of the rider in front and overtake safely when it's possible.
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Your Mom's House
Amused, context, intent, possibility. I'd still argue the same today. Though you advance my point. There were several instances similar, which overwhelmingly went unpunished, the message being, carry on. Particularly in a last turn situation, as set in precedent for all time in 05.
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This pretty much summarizes the exceptional, extraordinary, and skewed way Rossi must be treated on the track.
"Everyone knows that Rossi is considered ‘untouchable’, so their contact set off a bomb that seemed to have been defused by now."
From an interview, with Sebastian Porto, TV commentator.
If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Who runs motogp
I'm new to these forums but a long time motogp fan. I've only just watched the race from Argentina (because Britain seems to be the only place in Europe where you have to wait 3 days to watch highlights!).
What I'd like to know is who are the morons who run motogp! Marquez shouldn't have been on the track after ramming espargaro. Instead he's given the opportunity to ruin Ŕossi's race as well..absolutely ridiculous. That wouldn't happen in a well run series like f1.
I've become more and more disillusioned with the poor coverage of motogp in Britain and it's now got to the stage were, regretfully, I don't think I'll bother anymore! That hurts!!
I'm new to these forums but a long time motogp fan. I've only just watched the race from Argentina (because Britain seems to be the only place in Europe where you have to wait 3 days to watch highlights!).
What I'd like to know is who are the morons who run motogp! Marquez shouldn't have been on the track after ramming espargaro. Instead he's given the opportunity to ruin Ŕossi's race as well..absolutely ridiculous. That wouldn't happen in a well run series like f1.
I've become more and more disillusioned with the poor coverage of motogp in Britain and it's now got to the stage were, regretfully, I don't think I'll bother anymore! That hurts!!
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Your Mom's House
Welcome to the forum Sassy. I'm surprised the coverage has become so bad in the UK, I wonder whose fault that is...
Regarding the race, frankly I think Rossi was doing a pretty good job of ruining his own race. There was a Yamaha M1 contesting the win all the way to the end, seems odd that an "inferior" rider with an old machine, likely deturned, was battling for the lead while Rossi was struggling for the top ten, taking wide turns and looking rather clumsy.
I agree, riders should not be ramming into people like that. Which reminds me of a report where Rossi rammed into a spectator in the paddock with his scooter.
Speaking of F1, do you think Rossi would have been given a race ban, disqualification, or black flag for crashing out Marc at Sepang?
It is regretful that the UK has lost its great coverage. Not just for GP, they don't get Premiere League coverage like they used to either, which I think is crazy. Hopefully Brexit restores the TV coverage you guys deserve.
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He could of course not be a cheap skate and pay to watch, as for football the less its on tv the better its a girls sport.
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A caravan on an island
