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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 10 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There will be no Casey “massacre”. Think symbiotic team - each rider brings something to the team, they both have won world championships against Rossi. If consistency was Rossi’s weakness then Hayden exploited it.
Casey won WC against Rossi, that's true. Hayden not won against Rossi but against Yamaha uncompetitivity to built reliable bike for 2006 season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Another argument is that across a whole season Hayden put the best total performance in. Not only better than Rossi but better than every other rider in that field. If Hayden is .... why wasn’t Caparossi 2006 champ? Or Pedro? Or (insert name or rider competing in 2006)? Really was everyone else there just filling a predefined role or were they ALL trying to be motogp champ 2006.
Rossi beat Hayden 9-3 in races when nobody of them had any tech. related problem/or crashed down as a result of somebody other fault. Add Hayden Laguna if you want, where he was faster than Rossi before Yamaha stopped, in that case score is 9-4. But then we can add Le Mans on Rossi's account and score is 10-4.
Casey won WC against Rossi, that's true. Hayden not won against Rossi but against Yamaha uncompetitivity to built reliable bike for 2006 season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Another argument is that across a whole season Hayden put the best total performance in. Not only better than Rossi but better than every other rider in that field. If Hayden is .... why wasn’t Caparossi 2006 champ? Or Pedro? Or (insert name or rider competing in 2006)? Really was everyone else there just filling a predefined role or were they ALL trying to be motogp champ 2006.
Rossi beat Hayden 9-3 in races when nobody of them had any tech. related problem/or crashed down as a result of somebody other fault. Add Hayden Laguna if you want, where he was faster than Rossi before Yamaha stopped, in that case score is 9-4. But then we can add Le Mans on Rossi's account and score is 10-4.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Nov 10 2008, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I tried for as long as possible to avoid getting involved in yet another 'Hayden is crap' thread but #41, pinky or whoever it is seems to take his childhood issues out on the poor guy.
Ok so Yamaha was .... in 06, BUT is that Haydens fault? NO! And let me tell you why. While Hayden was working his ... off all through the winter with Honda out there testing in all weathers what were Rossi and Yamaha doing? Not developing a bike through complacency (oh we dominated last year, so we will again this year) and Rossi was off testing Ferrari's so its no-one's fault but their own.
M1's chronic unreliability that season isn't connected with rider's attendance or non-attendance in test sessions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>and Rossi binned it on a few occasions including the championship finale.
Rossi fluffed only in Valencia and at Assen practice. Any other example?
Ok so Yamaha was .... in 06, BUT is that Haydens fault? NO! And let me tell you why. While Hayden was working his ... off all through the winter with Honda out there testing in all weathers what were Rossi and Yamaha doing? Not developing a bike through complacency (oh we dominated last year, so we will again this year) and Rossi was off testing Ferrari's so its no-one's fault but their own.
M1's chronic unreliability that season isn't connected with rider's attendance or non-attendance in test sessions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>and Rossi binned it on a few occasions including the championship finale.
Rossi fluffed only in Valencia and at Assen practice. Any other example?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Nov 10 2008, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha did not give Hayden the title....
Oh..Yeah...They did. Deal with it. Hayden=flukiest WC ever.
Oh..Yeah...They did. Deal with it. Hayden=flukiest WC ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 9 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The man who won only 3 (2 on his home territory and Assen which is Colin's gift) ) GP's in 6 seasons on Repsol Honda simply don't deserve respect from true motorcycle racing admirers.
I can't speak for all motorcycle racing admirers, but i know of very few true race fans who have anything other than respect for Nicky.
I can't speak for all motorcycle racing admirers, but i know of very few true race fans who have anything other than respect for Nicky.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 10 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't speak for all motorcycle racing admirers, but i know of very few true race fans who have anything other than respect for Nicky.
Because agenda from Hayden and his fanatics works on that sort of people. They buying their's pathetic excuses for Hayden's lack of performances. Like those that he is a victim of Puig-Pedrosa complot and how Puig not allowed him to compete with Dani in fair & square terms because he was afraid that Pedrosa lost in that case.
Because agenda from Hayden and his fanatics works on that sort of people. They buying their's pathetic excuses for Hayden's lack of performances. Like those that he is a victim of Puig-Pedrosa complot and how Puig not allowed him to compete with Dani in fair & square terms because he was afraid that Pedrosa lost in that case.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because agenda from Hayden and his fanatics works on that sort of people. They buying their's pathetic excuses for Hayden's lack of performances. Like those that he is a victim of Puig-Pedrosa complot and how Puig not allowed him to compete with Dani in fair & square terms because he was afraid that Pedrosa lost in that case.
I'm not talking about the Hayden fanatics and conspiracy theorists I'm talking about the relatively neutral fans and as you put it "true motorcycle racing admirers". They all understand the significance of Nickies achievement and give him the respect he deserves. This isn't about his issues with Dani/Puig/HRC, nor is it about the weak seasons hes had since his title. Nicky Hayden is a world champion, and true admirers of motorcycle racing appreciate what goes into that and admire the few who can achieve it. You are welcome to join them, but they wont feel any major loss if you don't.
Peace
I'm not talking about the Hayden fanatics and conspiracy theorists I'm talking about the relatively neutral fans and as you put it "true motorcycle racing admirers". They all understand the significance of Nickies achievement and give him the respect he deserves. This isn't about his issues with Dani/Puig/HRC, nor is it about the weak seasons hes had since his title. Nicky Hayden is a world champion, and true admirers of motorcycle racing appreciate what goes into that and admire the few who can achieve it. You are welcome to join them, but they wont feel any major loss if you don't.
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Even I, a guy who cannot stand Nicky Hayden can admit that he deserved the title in 2006 as consistancy was the key and Nicky was very consistant while his rivals suffered misfortune after misfortune.
However onto the question. I personally can see Nicky winning a race or two next season especially at Laguna or Indy. I don't think he'll be a title challenger but he could ride a few strong races i'm sure.
However onto the question. I personally can see Nicky winning a race or two next season especially at Laguna or Indy. I don't think he'll be a title challenger but he could ride a few strong races i'm sure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 10 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky Hayden is a world champion
Stoner is 1 time WC.
Roberts Jr. is 1 time WC.
Criville is 1 time WC.
Schwantz is 1 time WC.
Gardner is 1 time WC.
Uncini is 1 time WC.
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Nicky Hayden is 1 time WC. But he is not in the same class as riders whose surnames i wroted above. He is a World Champion by fluke. For 6 seasons he had a plesure to be in a factory Honda team. Honda's trust in him lasted much longer than he deserved.
Stoner is 1 time WC.
Roberts Jr. is 1 time WC.
Criville is 1 time WC.
Schwantz is 1 time WC.
Gardner is 1 time WC.
Uncini is 1 time WC.
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Nicky Hayden is 1 time WC. But he is not in the same class as riders whose surnames i wroted above. He is a World Champion by fluke. For 6 seasons he had a plesure to be in a factory Honda team. Honda's trust in him lasted much longer than he deserved.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Nov 10 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even I, a guy who cannot stand Nicky Hayden can admit that he deserved the title in 2006 as consistancy was the key and Nicky was very consistant while his rivals suffered misfortune after misfortune.
Maybe Honda deserved that title because they builted reliable bike. Hayden didn't. He was demolished by Rossi at the tracks.
Maybe Honda deserved that title because they builted reliable bike. Hayden didn't. He was demolished by Rossi at the tracks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 9 2008, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Optimism hasn't worked since 2006, I'm going to try pessimism and see what results in generates.
In theory, I should never be disappointed so that's a good start.
Are you stealing my stuff Lex
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Nov 9 2008, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>snort
I like that theory. Only one way to sort it all out. Ben, IP checks please?
Pinky is a world traveler. It would be hard to track his IP address down, unless you had a mac address tracker
In theory, I should never be disappointed so that's a good start.
Are you stealing my stuff Lex
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Nov 9 2008, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>snort
I like that theory. Only one way to sort it all out. Ben, IP checks please?
Pinky is a world traveler. It would be hard to track his IP address down, unless you had a mac address tracker
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 10 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've seen Rossi walk on water.
yeah but i've seen Casey turn water into Whine..
yeah but i've seen Casey turn water into Whine..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Nov 10 2008, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pinky is a world traveler. It would be hard to track his IP address down, unless you had a mac address tracker
Just ban hong kong for starters.
Just ban hong kong for starters.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>M1's chronic unreliability that season isn't connected with rider's attendance or non-attendance in test sessions.
OK, when you actually obtain an Engineering Degree and work in Motorsport engineering and develop a racing machine as I have, you can try and disprove that statement.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>yeah but i've seen Casey turn water into Whine..
Classic!
Yeah i''ve seen Rossi walk on water too, after a very wet Donington 2005 race up to the podium
OK, when you actually obtain an Engineering Degree and work in Motorsport engineering and develop a racing machine as I have, you can try and disprove that statement.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>yeah but i've seen Casey turn water into Whine..
Classic!
Yeah i''ve seen Rossi walk on water too, after a very wet Donington 2005 race up to the podium
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Hi Pinky,
I am wondering why you seem to hate Hayden so much...?! Just because he's good looking and has plenty of (real, not web) chicks?
Next time you use #, call yourself #69
Could help you in more ways than one...!
good luck
By the way, I think he will!
I am wondering why you seem to hate Hayden so much...?! Just because he's good looking and has plenty of (real, not web) chicks?
Next time you use #, call yourself #69
Could help you in more ways than one...!
good luck
By the way, I think he will!
Hayden is a mediocre rider in best case. Only because of American passport he has seat on top MotoGP machinery for such a long time despite delivered shambolic results. And, at the end of his stint (i repeat, much longer stint then he deserved) on Honda he turned himself into a classless hypocrite. So he's not such a good guy like his fanbase here pretends.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden is a mediocre rider in best case. Only because of American passport he has seat on top MotoGP machinery for such a long time despite delivered shambolic results. And, at the end of his stint (i repeat, much longer stint then he deserved) on Honda he turned himself into a classless hypocrite. So he's not such a good guy like his fanbase here pretends.
Huh?
Huh?
BTW a little quote from Dovi
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Valentino and I are friends, and we get along with each other very well. Valentino managed to win the title in a season in which Casey Stoner was usually the fastest rider on the circuit. This means that sometimes regularity is even more important than speed. Valentino's driving style has changed a lot since he switched to Yamaha, he is focusing more on precision. I try to learn a lot from my colleagues, and firstly from great champions like Valentino.´
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Valentino and I are friends, and we get along with each other very well. Valentino managed to win the title in a season in which Casey Stoner was usually the fastest rider on the circuit. This means that sometimes regularity is even more important than speed. Valentino's driving style has changed a lot since he switched to Yamaha, he is focusing more on precision. I try to learn a lot from my colleagues, and firstly from great champions like Valentino.´
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