Will Hayden ever win a race for Ducati?

Yamaha's reliability problems gifted Hayden the title. Never before that and never after that this unskilled rider doesn't came close to the title. Proof that his championship was just a fluke.

Sometimes I wonder if Pinky and all his various reincarnations aren't simply creations of Curve or Jumke's. You know . . . just something to kill time between beers. To see which geniuses and pontification junkies will jump to the bait and make themselves feel all authoritative by disputing painfully bone-headed nonsense. C'mon Lex - I'm surprised you haven't suggested this yourself.

I'm going to say "no"

Optimism hasn't worked since 2006, I'm going to try pessimism and see what results in generates.

In theory, I should never be disappointed so that's a good start.

snort

I like that theory. Only one way to sort it all out. Ben, IP checks please?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 9 2008, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You have a valid question, will Hayden ever win a race in a straight fight outside of 2006? I have a similar question, will Rossi ever win a race on a Vespa in which Schwantz, Rainey, Doohan and Agostini participate? The other riders will be given 500s, the race must occur on the Monaco F1 circuit and will take place on a Tuesday. If he can't win that race, all of his other accomplishments are meaningless.

And as it's on a tuesday the monaco "track" is of course open for normal traffic. I'm afraid that "chaalenge" would be all to easy for a expereinced traffic hooligan like Rossi. He would win by a mile in that trafic chaos. Hell, even I could win that race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha's reliability problems gifted Hayden the title. Never before that and never after that this unskilled rider doesn't came close to the title. Proof that his championship was just a fluke.

Why did "fate" choose Hayden and not one of the other "unskilled riders". Probably because he won a couple, podiumed a few more, was really consistent and in the end accrued more points than the other guys (that is - he beat them).

Boy that fickle finger of fate rewards the funniests things

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 9 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha's reliability problems gifted Hayden the title. Never before that and never after that this unskilled rider doesn't came close to the title. Proof that his championship was just a fluke.
THe reliability of the Yamaha was not the reason Hayden won the title. The bike was inferior, but it wasn't a timebomb that blew up all the time. The chattering front end issues were the biggest problem for the team that year. Rossi had a failure on his way to a title win, he choked it away after Dani gave him his big chance. I remember that race like yesterday and he panicked way too early for someone as great as he. Hayden was a formidable rider in the championship on the 1000cc for a few years prior. I don't know why Nicky is unskilled, is it cause he is an American who grew up flat tracking it and not from the pedigree of Rossi? I just don't understand the lack of respect for someone who is on the elite list of world champions!

Reliability problems costed Rossi more than 50 points in 2006. No matter what Hayden's fanatical troops said, his title is a fluke. The man who won only 3 (2 on his home territory and Assen which is Colin's gift) ) GP's in 6 seasons on Repsol Honda simply don't deserve respect from true motorcycle racing admirers. Can't wait that Casey's massacre on him finally starts.

Hayden's bike was far from perfect. Perhaps you may recall the evolution engine with a lousy clutch that wasn't fixed until late in the year. Both Yamaha and Honda had major problems.

Rossi had technical related DNF's that season in China, Le Mens and Laguna. Hayden tech. related DNF's? <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%0

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 9 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Reliability problems costed Rossi more than 50 points in 2006. No matter what Hayden's fanatical troops said, his title is a fluke. The man who won only 3 (2 on his home territory and Assen which is Colin's gift) ) GP's in 6 seasons on Repsol Honda simply don't deserve respect from true motorcycle racing admirers. Can't wait that Casey's massacre on him finally starts.

thats a little harsh, Edwards is a double Superbike champion and he's won no races and its not because he isn't a good rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Nov 10 2008, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats a little harsh, Edwards is a double Superbike champion and he's won no races and its not because he isn't a good rider.

Yeah, Colin was great in WSBK. I'm sure Hayden will also be great when Stoner throw him out from MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 9 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, Colin was great in WSBK. I'm sure Hayden will also be great when Stoner throw him out from MotoGP.
I'm no expert but I'm fairly certain Stoner doesn't have the power to throw anyone out of MotoGP.

Be certain sa long as you want. But maybe you have the right. After Casey completes his own genocide on Hayden maybe Kwak will be remorseful and offer Hayden hand of salvation which allows him to stay in MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 9 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Be certain sa long as you want. But maybe you have the right. After Casey completes his own genocide on Hayden maybe Kwak will be remorseful and offer Hayden hand of salvation which allows him to stay in MotoGP.
Genocide. At least the thread is light-hearted...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dphairoh @ Nov 9 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden was a formidable rider in the championship on the 1000cc for a few years prior. I don't know why Nicky is unskilled, is it cause he is an American who grew up flat tracking it and not from the pedigree of Rossi? I just don't understand the lack of respect for someone who is on the elite list of world champions!

It's the same old ..... I remember when Kenny Roberts came to Europe. The European press didn't exactly fall in love with him overnight. And the race organizers really hated him. How dare this hillbilly flat-tracker deign to compete against the royalty of Europe? Same old Old World snobbishness towards New World upstarts. In the beginning he wasn't known as "King Kenny". The respect he eventually won was not just from winning races. Much of it came from the way he organized the riders as a union to fight for safety improvements and many other much needed changes. The riders may not have loved being beaten by him on the track - but they held him in esteem and supported him as a group and the press could not as easily pull all the old divisive crap because he ended up being so universally respected by the riders.
........ I have to say that as much as I think Hayden's a talented rider and a taker of the high road - he's been something of a doormat in terms of all .... he's taken. In the same circumstances Roberts would have found a way to put Puig and Pedro in their place.

Genocidal tendencies are silly to extreme.

Yamaha did not give Hayden the title....Rossi did by tucking the front like a track day squid.......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Rossi had technical related DNF's that season in China, Le Mens and Laguna. Hayden tech. related DNF's? 0

I tried for as long as possible to avoid getting involved in yet another 'Hayden is crap' thread but #41, pinky or whoever it is seems to take his childhood issues out on the poor guy.

Ok so Yamaha was .... in 06, BUT is that Haydens fault? NO! And let me tell you why. While Hayden was working his ... off all through the winter with Honda out there testing in all weathers what were Rossi and Yamaha doing? Not developing a bike through complacency (oh we dominated last year, so we will again this year) and Rossi was off testing Ferrari's so its no-one's fault but their own.

In 2006 the Honda was bullet proof in terms of relability and Hayden brought it home in every race even when he was fighting for crap positions and could have thrown it into the gravel. Whereas as Yamaha couldn't build a bike that handles or lasted a race and Rossi binned it on a few occasions including the championship finale. Just be a man and admit that FACT.

Also #41 I have to say by your argument Stoner was lucky in 2007 because Ducati built a bike that was totally dominant over Rossi's Yamaha and also Pedrosa is simply lucky and untalented because Rossi's engine letting go in Valencia '07 'gifted' him 2nd place in the championship?? Right??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 10 2008, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Reliability problems costed Rossi more than 50 points in 2006. No matter what Hayden's fanatical troops said, his title is a fluke. The man who won only 3 (2 on his home territory and Assen which is Colin's gift) ) GP's in 6 seasons on Repsol Honda simply don't deserve respect from true motorcycle racing admirers. Can't wait that Casey's massacre on him finally starts.

There will be no Casey “massacre”. Think symbiotic team - each rider brings something to the team, they both have won world championships against Rossi. If consistency was Rossi’s weakness then Hayden exploited it.

It doesn't say much for Rossi as a rider if any squid can beat him, reliability or not.

As an argument against that was it complacency on the part of Rossi and Yamaha?

Another argument is that across a whole season Hayden put the best total performance in. Not only better than Rossi but better than every other rider in that field. If Hayden is .... why wasn’t Caparossi 2006 champ? Or Pedro? Or (insert name or rider competing in 2006)? Really was everyone else there just filling a predefined role or were they ALL trying to be motogp champ 2006.

That is - 2006 wasn’t a two rider season

Either way Hayden won it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 10 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Genocide. At least the thread is light-hearted...

You're on song tonight. That's funny.