A very happy young Aussie having just claimed his second title thats where!
A very happy young Aussie having just claimed his second title thats where!
What most amazes me about this forum, is just how educated about the sport people are but still hold on to this myth that its a level playing field. Sure Rossi has beat Stoner 4/5 times, and in that time Stoner has been on a Ducati. I sure hope Rossi would stick around for 4-5 more years on Ducati while Stoner sticks around on HRC. But I know Rossi will not stick around on a machine he can't beat everybody on. That is the difference, he will walk away, while people like Stoner, knowing they are on a flawed machine, will push.
Every time Rossi has not won, what has happened? Its always been big drama. Threats of leaving the sport or demands of getting exclusive treatment. You can go claiming he's the best, bla bla bla, but right now, all of you should begin to understand one thing, GP is about the mouse trap. Its about the machine you ride. Take a better than average rider like Rossi, put him on the best machine, you will get titles. Can you say Rossi is better than Stoner? Is that you're conclusion from the titles he's won? I have no doubt Stoner, had he been Rossi's teammate, where the manufacture would have had the balls that Yamaha had to give their riders equal treatment, Stoner (after his rookie season) would have beat him or at least pushed him every single year!!!
Bulshitmachine please stop! This is getting rather annoying. Stoner can never be the goat. He can never match Rossi in anything besides wins. He will never have the career Rossi did. He will never win the 125 or 250 titles or streak that many titles in a row. From the start of his career, he can never match what Rossi has done. So quit trying to math Caseys legacy against the goat, it will never match up to what Vale has accomplished. Your argument is laughable as always. Go back to your cave under a bridge. He will go down in history as a great rider for sure.
I think Lorenzo will push Stoner all year though, that M1 isnt as slow as people think.
Gee you ....... ...... Its already a done deal ......Stoner is the real GOAT.
Its not jut numbers you know ........... surely the Rossi to Ducati has shown you that on "skill set" alone the guy is out in front of anybody else out there.
Rossi has a way to go to get there .... if he ever does.
Numbers
Thats like saying whoever turns out the most paintings is the worlds greatest artist
SR said JL was mentally the strongest rider that's ever been to the ranch.
That is one HELL of a statement!
SR said JL was mentally the strongest rider that's ever been to the ranch.
That is one HELL of a statement!
Did you read a word I wrote? That was my point.
What most amazes me about this forum, is just how educated about the sport people are but still hold on to this myth that its a level playing field. Sure Rossi has beat Stoner 4/5 times, and in that time Stoner has been on a Ducati. I sure hope Rossi would stick around for 4-5 more years on Ducati while Stoner sticks around on HRC. But I know Rossi will not stick around on a machine he can't beat everybody on. That is the difference, he will walk away, while people like Stoner, knowing they are on a flawed machine, will push.
Every time Rossi has not won, what has happened? Its always been big drama. Threats of leaving the sport or demands of getting exclusive treatment. You can go claiming he's the best, bla bla bla, but right now, all of you should begin to understand one thing, GP is about the mouse trap. Its about the machine you ride. Take a better than average rider like Rossi, put him on the best machine, you will get titles. Can you say Rossi is better than Stoner? Is that you're conclusion from the titles he's won? I have no doubt Stoner, had he been Rossi's teammate, where the manufacture would have had the balls that Yamaha had to give their riders equal treatment, Stoner (after his rookie season) would have beat him or at least pushed him every single year!!!
Casey is not one of the greats yet, and whether he ever will be is yet to be determined. So quit counting your chickens before they hatch.
Exactly. Casey has it in front of him to achieve if he is good enough. There are a lot of variables which could mean he never gets there. Where would Mick Doohan be rated if he didn't have that crash and kept racing for a couple more years in the process knocking out Rossi's first couple of championships?
My point is, the GOAT is not a one championship winner. It's too easily disputed and too hard to defend. Stoner has to back it up. At the moment he has 2007 and then 3 years in the wilderness.
You are not arguing with many people on this point. He needs more championship wins to be an all-time great.
I disagree. As its turning out ( from the Rossi to Ducati experience ), Stoner has done what is close to winning a GP on a Postie bike ...... this through skills nobody else has ever exhibited. And he has actually won a WC whilst doing that
Who else in the long past list of riders could take a Ducati motorcycle ...... and win a WC? Pretty hard ask isn't it when you look at it like that.
I disagree. As its turning out ( from the Rossi to Ducati experience ), Stoner has done what is close to winning a GP on a Postie bike ...... this through skills nobody else has ever exhibited. And he has actually won a WC whilst doing that
Who else in the long past list of riders could take a Ducati motorcycle ...... and win a WC? Pretty hard ask isn't it when you look at it like that.
was rossi's m1 the best in 04? was it the best in 08? legit questions here....in 09 he had jlo on equal machinery
is hayden "above average"?