Joined Oct 2012
3K Posts | 725+
Crab Key
But for some strange circumstances, 2012 could have been. If Honda hadn't had tyre issues at the beginning of the year, I think Stoner, then Pedro would have been ahead of Lorenzo.
It took them too long to sort the chatter.
And... Stoner took points from Pedro when he desparately needed them.
7 wins to 6 says that there but for the grace of the Flying Spaghetti Monster...
I think he's got a real chance in 2013, as long as Honda and Yamaha stay on a par. As a rider I think he has more balls than Jorge to stick it in when the opportunity presents. He's better under brakes and the Honda gets out of corners better than the M1. They seem to have a good chassis that works with the tyres and he seems to have gone through a bit of an epiphany - no longer carrying the weight of expectation.
Something's missing...
I know - ..... .... is missing! Is there a prize? I got it. Didn't need to use google or nuthin!
Joined Aug 2008
6K Posts | 748+
Thailand
Joined Aug 2008
6K Posts | 748+
Thailand
We don't even have to go so far back to the tires and weight issues Dorna presented to Honda, With Ezpe's huge .... UP in Misano they totally gifted Jorge the championship.....or the next (or second next) When uncle Ezpe saved Jorge from HIS OWN wrong tire choice.
Jorge did well enough to take the title but Pedro did waaaay more ths year (with no exterior help) and def deserved it more than Jorge.
Not Stoner, he gave up on the bike after the 4rth race i think. Decided to just try ride around the problems it presented and Failed at it. ( did pretty well considering Dorna literally screwed up 6 months of tests and design to the Honda)
Netherlands, USA, Australia
OK, 'took points' was probably a clumsy way of putting it.
When Pedro needed points to make a successful championship bid, Stoner was there beating his ......
I liked what Stoner said when asked if he would help Dani win the championship - it was along the lines of 'If I helped him, he wouldn't have won the championship, he would have been handed it. That's no way to win a championship.'
The world's most unbiased technology reporter:
I've always wanted to know - is it pronounced "oona" or "yewna"?
I don't know if I agree. Any time you win a World Championship, you need a bunch of ducks lined up just so, moon in alignment fingers and toes crossed and your lucky rabbit's foot in a safe place - anything can scupper it. This year Jorge was in the right place at the right time, he held it all together and got enough points to beat everyone else.
One failure on his part and Pedro or Stoner could have won it.
While Dani won more races, he didn't manage to stay as reliable as Lorenzo and thus, lost.
No conspiracy, no machinations on Ezpeleta's part, no star chamber working behind the scenes to crown the next head... just luck and hard work.
Admittedly Honda had it tough with the tyre changes, but those tyres were voted on by the entire race field, not by Ezpeleta. The weight difference between the old rules and the new were less than the weight difference between the 4 Honda riders... so that excuse is a bit hard to swallow.
Joined Oct 2007
4K Posts | 744+
Tuscany, Italy
I have to disagree on this one. Dovi is liked by almost everybody, regardless. If he does well he will only be cheered, especially here in italy.
By the way, the Desmosedici never became Valentino's bike. "His" bike still is the M1, at least in his mind (and his fans'). Winning it back from Lorenzo's grip will be another matter...
Joined Oct 2007
4K Posts | 744+
Tuscany, Italy
That depends... If you look at VR's "merit of results" on the M1, well, it is not such a scandal that he still enjoys some credit at Iwata even after two bad years at Ducati and an apparent beginning of decline. These two years have canceled all his past achievements only for you and a small group of conspiracy theorists, Jum,but the rest of the world perceives things quite differently (I hope these news do not shock you).
Joined Oct 2007
4K Posts | 744+
Tuscany, Italy
By the way, I think Marc Marquez is a fantastic young rider. People say his bike in Moto2 was faster, but most of the time it was just he exited the corners faster because he opens up before others (similar to Stoner in that way, and also Pedrosa). He's also light. Now he has to lose the Moto2 habits and learn to ride a little more point and shoot, and he'll be immediately competitive for podiums. He'll surely win his first MotoGP race(s) in his rookie year. He has the best bike? He deserves it!
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
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I'm well aware the "world" (in this case card carrying Boppers like you) perceive things quite differently. That has been my point all alone. You're blind by rossie colored glasses. Despite those two bad years you speak of, you and that "world" you speak of have ignored the lessons they have wrought. Its like the Ducati years never existed, eh. You guys stopped paying attention at the end of 2010 when VR was still competitive on an exclusively competitive machine, with that kind of thinking, you guys are like, what, whats the problem, of course VR deserves another few years with Yamaha. Hahaha. Jesus, that is an interesting "world" you live in buddy. Its the same one 3 year olds live in. I wish I could go back to it too. Just ...., sleep, and play.[/background][/font]
Don't forget, his team tries really really hard too.
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Truer words have not been spoken. Thats the delusion of your "world" I'm talking about. Heck, maybe it was just a bad dream he even rode the Ducati. It really didn't happen, like a nighrmare. Nothing ever really changed in your mind. Certainly not the Ducati the last two years. It probably still uses the engine as a stress member, right?
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That depends... If you look at VR's "merit of results" on the M1, well, it is not such a scandal that he still enjoys some credit at Iwata even after two bad years at Ducati and an apparent beginning of decline. These two years have canceled all his past achievements only for you and a small group of conspiracy theorists, Jum,but the rest of the world perceives things quite differently (I hope these news do not shock you).
I'm well aware the "world" (in this case card carrying Boppers like you) perceive things quite differently. That has been my point all alone. You're blind by rossie colored glasses. Despite those two bad years you speak of, you and that "world" you speak of have ignored the lessons they have wrought. Its like the Ducati years never existed, eh. You guys stopped paying attention at the end of 2010 when VR was still competitive on an exclusively competitive machine, with that kind of thinking, you guys are like, what, whats the problem, of course VR deserves another few years with Yamaha. Hahaha. Jesus, that is an interesting "world" you live in buddy. Its the same one 3 year olds live in. I wish I could go back to it too. Just ...., sleep, and play.[/background][/font]
Don't forget, his team tries really really hard too.
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Truer words have not been spoken. Thats the delusion of your "world" I'm talking about. Heck, maybe it was just a bad dream he even rode the Ducati. It really didn't happen, like a nighrmare. Nothing ever really changed in your mind. Certainly not the Ducati the last two years. It probably still uses the engine as a stress member, right?
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Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
And you dont think Uncle Ezy knew that would happen after how good the Honda looked in testing. The Honda was a runaway freight train and Ezy did what he could to slow it down. It still dominated the season, but the cards fell right for Yamaha. That and an uncanny show of consistency on Lorenzo's part.
I don't know enough like the rest of you to know if it was a conspiracy. Notwithstanding this, stoner himself said he still had a great chance to win the championship. Dani rode around the issues the best up until he got the 2013 bike (what does that mean he is riding now, the 2014 bike?) and then the Honda was the best bike once more allowing Dani to have an outstanding finish to the season. Lorenzo won this season through consistency. Dani came very close but lost too many points. The what ifs are endless. Lorenzo had two DNFs and that would normally cost him. With or without the best bike, Lorenzo was almost faultless picking up the absolute maximum points he could.
Stoner had a couple of critical crashes at key times. The first two were definitely his fault but the last snuffed out his chances with the injury. Any points Lorenzo was ahead could have easily been swallowed by consecutive stoner/Pedrosa 1-2 once the Honda bounced back.
I think the season came down to Lorenzo making less mistakes than the two Honda riders. That ultra consistency got him the title and he deserved it.
This is the post Krop has seen fit to delete of his latest .... sucking article on Marquez. ....... lame in my opinion.
I feel like gaging on all the Marquez worshipping already.
As mentioned above, the tyres were significantly more difficult to come to terms with in 2011 and earlier so it is hardly comparable to rank those riders rookie tests against a rookie now.
It is also worth noting that those other riders were all riding satellite bikes and were no doubt under instructions to not go out and bend them on day 1. Marquez would have been instructed to go and put in the fastest lap possible to feed the media frenzy.
In my opinion the real eye opener is Iannone who was only 0.43 off Marquez on a bike that finished no where near the front on race day. If we want to see how much faster the Honda is than the Ducati all we have to do is look at qualifying for race day.
Pedrosa 1:30.8
Hayden 1:32.5
Rossi 1:32 .8
So the Honda is nearly a 2 second faster bike than the Ducati which really puts into perspective how Marquez did in comparison to the real Star of testing, Andrea Iannone.
The problem is, Andrea Iannone is not the lead character in the Dorna/MotoGP Soap Opera. Therefore regardless of how good he is you and the other journo's will still just repeat the same mistakes made for the last decade and spend all your column inches on just one rider and forsake all the others who have had to try harder with less to get there and be successful.
I fail to see why we should applaud journalism that is so unbalanced and manipulated by "group Think".
I feel like gaging on all the Marquez worshipping already.
As mentioned above, the tyres were significantly more difficult to come to terms with in 2011 and earlier so it is hardly comparable to rank those riders rookie tests against a rookie now.
It is also worth noting that those other riders were all riding satellite bikes and were no doubt under instructions to not go out and bend them on day 1. Marquez would have been instructed to go and put in the fastest lap possible to feed the media frenzy.
In my opinion the real eye opener is Iannone who was only 0.43 off Marquez on a bike that finished no where near the front on race day. If we want to see how much faster the Honda is than the Ducati all we have to do is look at qualifying for race day.
Pedrosa 1:30.8
Hayden 1:32.5
Rossi 1:32 .8
So the Honda is nearly a 2 second faster bike than the Ducati which really puts into perspective how Marquez did in comparison to the real Star of testing, Andrea Iannone.
The problem is, Andrea Iannone is not the lead character in the Dorna/MotoGP Soap Opera. Therefore regardless of how good he is you and the other journo's will still just repeat the same mistakes made for the last decade and spend all your column inches on just one rider and forsake all the others who have had to try harder with less to get there and be successful.
I fail to see why we should applaud journalism that is so unbalanced and manipulated by "group Think".
Joined Oct 2007
4K Posts | 744+
Tuscany, Italy
Jum, your vision is NOT anywhere near mainstream in the MotoGP world, it is a paranoid vision that very few share with you. It's something insane. You live in a delusion. There is not you and the fictional world of what you call boppers, there is you vs the-world-period.
You even insist in targeting a Rossi who is on his sunset boulevard.
Your inevitable new target once Rossi retires will be Marc Marquez. I can already see that coming up.
Yawn.
I'd be pissed if Krop were deleting my posts, but you can't really expect him to pay for web space so that you can tarnish the MM/Emmet brand. He writes to satisfy and audience. If you believe that his audience don't have his best interest or the best interest of the sport at heart, you might be able to convince him to write additional pieces about other riders.
You have quite a bit of leverage. The marginal cost of writing and posting an article is basically $0, and Krop would probably buy into the idea that his readership are not necessarily concerned with his well-being or that of the sport.
You have quite a bit working against you. Krop doesn't have unlimited time, and he has opportunity costs to deal with. Furthermore, if Krop writes an expose on Bradl, but no one reads it, what good has been done for the sport or for MM?
