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Valencia Test

This is the post Krop has seen fit to delete of his latest .... sucking article on Marquez. ....... lame in my opinion.



I feel like gaging on all the Marquez worshipping already.



As mentioned above, the tyres were significantly more difficult to come to terms with in 2011 and earlier so it is hardly comparable to rank those riders rookie tests against a rookie now.



It is also worth noting that those other riders were all riding satellite bikes and were no doubt under instructions to not go out and bend them on day 1. Marquez would have been instructed to go and put in the fastest lap possible to feed the media frenzy.



In my opinion the real eye opener is Iannone who was only 0.43 off Marquez on a bike that finished no where near the front on race day. If we want to see how much faster the Honda is than the Ducati all we have to do is look at qualifying for race day.



Pedrosa 1:30.8

Hayden 1:32.5

Rossi 1:32 .8



So the Honda is nearly a 2 second faster bike than the Ducati which really puts into perspective how Marquez did in comparison to the real Star of testing, Andrea Iannone.



The problem is, Andrea Iannone is not the lead character in the Dorna/MotoGP Soap Opera. Therefore regardless of how good he is you and the other journo's will still just repeat the same mistakes made for the last decade and spend all your column inches on just one rider and forsake all the others who have had to try harder with less to get there and be successful.



I fail to see why we should applaud journalism that is so unbalanced and manipulated by "group Think".



Your post has been reinstated. I checked it on my phone, and wanted to take a look to make sure it didn't contravene my editorial guidelines (aka "do I like the tone of it").



Might I suggest you start your own MotoGP site? You seem to know exactly how the entire world works, and it would be a strong counterpoint to my own "Dorna ....-sucking" site. Hell, if you post anything interesting, I might even link to it.
 
He MA would have to start spelling properly before I subscribed
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Since when did Lex become a lapdog? Maybe Krops not aware of ur tire conspiracy theories that u recently backed away from? Remind us Lex, on ur thoughts regarding the switch to Bstones. So that Krops can lump u into the "group think" "confirmation bias" bin. Hahaha.
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Anyway, Krops has let some good stuff ride in the comments section, that post above doesnt even make the mild meter. I've been a member of MM (motomatters NOT Marc Marquiz) since i think 06/07 or so, i've read just about every article hes written because its the best on the net, bar none (that doesn't mean I agree with all of it); yet i have a total post count of probably less than 10. I just cant get into not speaking my mind and worry it might be censored. Though im all for deleting stupid .... not related to topic, hate speech, and personal fights on his site (because it keeps the meat and potatoes of information and opinion), however, I do not condone it for this site. He has a business to run, its not like PS where we get to say whatever (sure it may have its drawbacks but it also has its beauty not enjoyed in MM, I know Krops will disagree, but he would be wrong, which wouldn't be the first time, haha).



MA, thanx for reposting your deleted/re-instated post here, though it does sound like Krops put it in a holding pattern until evaluated for his conditions. If i was into conspiracy, i'd almost think he re-instated it cuz u moaned. Haha. Just kidding. No seriously, Krops seems to be a tough skinned hard ..., which makes his opinions here a real joy to read and I'm thankful for the opportunity to counter point. Something, as I said, is part of the beauty of PS not able to be fully realized on MM.



Back on topic, interesting u mention Crazy Joe. I was looking at the numbers today at lunch and had similar thoughts. But here is the thing i keep falling back on, it was the first test, in mixed conditions, the only real thing these lap times tell me is these guys can ride motorcycles and are all very talented world class riders. Thats it. The rest is just me .... stirring, egging on the predictions by our members and experts.
 
Since when did Lex become a lapdog? Maybe Krops not aware of ur tire conspiracy theories that u recently backed away from? Remind us Lex, on ur thoughts regarding the switch to Bstones.



When it comes to opinions, I tend to live on a deserted island. People swing by to see me, if they think I can be of use, but they don't stay long. I'm not sure that lapdog is an apt comparison.



I've not changed my position on the tires, nor was it really a conspiracy to begin with. I believe that Valentino Rossi demanded Bridgestones as a pre-condition of his continued participation in the championship. The question is whether or not Bridgestone were forced to supply. Bridgestone have always said that beating Valentino Rossi and the Honda/Yamaha bipartite was their highest ambition; however, I can see them taking a more pragmatic stance if they were afraid that the new tire rules would tip the scales back in Michelin's favor.



The Bridgestone situation doesn't change anything pertaining to V Rossi, unless Bridgestone asked Rossi to switch. We can basically rule out that scenario by virtue of Valentino's comments and actions at the end of the 2007 season when he was aggressively politicking for competitive equipment.
 
I can spell perfectly. I just choose to spell incorrectly to pander to our colonial cousins.



I wasn't talking about you. I already read MM daily and have done for many years.



You are, IMHO, one of the most interesting viewpoints in the sport.



There, BJ delivered
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Netherlands, USA, Australia



OK, 'took points' was probably a clumsy way of putting it.



When Pedro needed points to make a successful championship bid, Stoner was there beating his ......



I liked what Stoner said when asked if he would help Dani win the championship - it was along the lines of 'If I helped him, he wouldn't have won the championship, he would have been handed it. That's no way to win a championship.'

What utter nonsense, unless you want to accuse dani of taking vital points away from stoner by trying to win the race and leading into the second last corner at sachsenring. What, stoner should have realised from the start of the season he was going to crash at indy leading to him being out for several races and hence should not have attempted to win any races?



You are aware that stoner was ahead of dani in the points before assen, and that dani crashed whilst in the lead at PI? You may have a (very slim) argument concerning the laguna seca race but stoner still had a shot at the title at that time, and in retrospect an hrc rider quite possibly would have won the title if stoner had not crashed at indy given the apparent mid and late season superiority of the honda.
 
Your post has been reinstated. I checked it on my phone, and wanted to take a look to make sure it didn't contravene my editorial guidelines (aka "do I like the tone of it"). Might I suggest you start your own MotoGP site? You seem to know exactly how the entire world works, and it would be a strong counterpoint to my own "Dorna ....-sucking" site. Hell, if you post anything interesting, I might even link to it.



Thank you.



Maybe I should start my own site. Often my posts on your articles receive the highest number of votes of all the comments on that particular article. A couple of weeks back I scored over 100 votes which could be a record. So it would seem that maybe I do write things of interest whether you or others agree with them or not.
 
Thank you.



Maybe I should start my own site. Often my posts on your articles receive the highest number of votes of all the comments on that particular article. A couple of weeks back I scored over 100 votes which could be a record. So it would seem that maybe I do write things of interest whether you or others agree with them or not.
You know it don't count if you vote for yourself 100 times right?



I'z just messin'
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Thank you.



Maybe I should start my own site. Often my posts on your articles receive the highest number of votes of all the comments on that particular article. A couple of weeks back I scored over 100 votes which could be a record. So it would seem that maybe I do write things of interest whether you or others agree with them or not.



Being wrong and being interesting are not mutually exclusive. Being interesting is in itself an achievement.
 
This is the post Krop has seen fit to delete of his latest .... sucking article on Marquez. ....... lame in my opinion.



I feel like gaging on all the Marquez worshipping already.



As mentioned above, the tyres were significantly more difficult to come to terms with in 2011 and earlier so it is hardly comparable to rank those riders rookie tests against a rookie now.



It is also worth noting that those other riders were all riding satellite bikes and were no doubt under instructions to not go out and bend them on day 1. Marquez would have been instructed to go and put in the fastest lap possible to feed the media frenzy.



In my opinion the real eye opener is Iannone who was only 0.43 off Marquez on a bike that finished no where near the front on race day. If we want to see how much faster the Honda is than the Ducati all we have to do is look at qualifying for race day.



Pedrosa 1:30.8

Hayden 1:32.5

Rossi 1:32 .8



So the Honda is nearly a 2 second faster bike than the Ducati which really puts into perspective how Marquez did in comparison to the real Star of testing, Andrea Iannone.



The problem is, Andrea Iannone is not the lead character in the Dorna/MotoGP Soap Opera. Therefore regardless of how good he is you and the other journo's will still just repeat the same mistakes made for the last decade and spend all your column inches on just one rider and forsake all the others who have had to try harder with less to get there and be successful.



I fail to see why we should applaud journalism that is so unbalanced and manipulated by "group Think".



Can I ask Mental, did you consider that the Ducati riders tended to start closer to the Honda/Yamaha riders in the earlier sessions and gradually work their way backwards over the course of a weekend? The shorter the time available, the more it would work for the Ducati riders during the year where they started on a level footing.

They always seemed to start closer and then worked back to that 1 second gap.



 
We are all wrong from time to time just as we are all uninteresting at times too. In this case your readers tend to agree with my comments and from the general tone of comments many of them are just as vocal and negative the histeria surrounding Marquez.
 
Can I ask Mental, did you consider that the Ducati riders tended to start closer to the Honda/Yamaha riders in the earlier sessions and gradually work their way backwards over the course of a weekend? The shorter the time available, the more it would work for the Ducati riders during the year where they started on a level footing.

They always seemed to start closer and then worked back to that 1 second gap.



I haven't done the research but I certainly don't recall that being overwhelmingly the case. I think that in Stoners case on the Ducati that could be argued.



In this case we are not waiting for future sessions. Marquez's brilliance is being shouted from the roof tops immediately with everyone else's efforts being ignored as well as the quality of equipment they are producing very similar results on.



But none of this is new. Rossi was reported as a god whilst winning on best quality equipment without any credit going to the equipment yet riders like Stoner only won because of equipment advantage despite that equipment being a POS. now we have Marquez doing well on best quality equipment and being praised whilst Iannone is circulating nearly on the same pace on a bike that is more than triple the gap slower.



That is the argument. In my opinion the last thing MotoGP needs is 99% of the media output being focused on one rider. As I have argued repeatedly, this is the reason there is no revenue in MotoGP.



What will improve MotoGP is a broader focus which will lead to a broader revenue distribution and ultimately a more competitive grid.



I believe that journalist like David should be thinking about these things because ultimately his success is tied to the success of MotoGP. David will probably argue though that he can make more from pandering to the sheep who just believe the narrative that they are feed. In the short term he is no doubt correct.
 
Being interesting is in itself an achievement.
Not so much when you are critiquing yourself, desperately counting "like" votes... MA get a grip, screaming out, 'other ......s really LIKE my ...." ain't helping your cause, only little girls constantly click the like button... Oh, wait, now I get it - you've got a mangina!!
 
Marquez is very talented. Of this there is no doubt. But one days testing is tough to analyze in detail.

It's too hard to measure one way or the other. I mean Marquez finished just 1 second behind Pedrosa in his first test. Great effort.

But does Pirro finishing just 2 tenths further back on a satellite Ducati carry more weight than that? I think it does.

I think Marquez is too talented not to be a future motogp champion. But we wont know that for sure based on one test in mixed conditions.

He will be given time to learn & he will need it. Not only hasn't he raced a motogp bike before, but he is up against opposition riders substantially better than any he has ever faced before.

Will be fun to watch his progress.
 
Not so much when you are critiquing yourself, desperately counting "like" votes... MA get a grip, screaming out, 'other ......s really LIKE my ...." ain't helping your cause, only little girls constantly click the like button... Oh, wait, now I get it - you've got a mangina!!



Very mature. Calling anonymous people all ......s.



Yes, I take notice of whether my comments are validated or ridiculed. I am not embarrassed by that. It does not necessary change my view but if my comments are majority disagreed with I would definitely analyse my thoughts and see if I can personally justify them or not.



I am embarrassed for you that you deny that you do the same. I don't believe you and would be surprised if anyone else did.



As the saying goes "he who knows not that he knows not is a fool".
 
I have never sought outside validation for my thoughts - I'd be embarrassed if I spent a second to see if anyone else liked (or even cared about) my posts... If ya haven't understood that after a coupla of years you need to have a reading comprehension test.
 
I have never sought outside validation for my thoughts - I'd be embarrassed if I spent a second to see if anyone else liked (or even cared about) my posts... If ya haven't understood that after a coupla of years you need to have a reading comprehension test.



Yet you cared enough to see if I responded and then took the time to post your lack of caring.



I remember about 20 years ago when I was at uni making a comment that I feared nothing. I have been embarrassed about that comment ever since. Your comments that you seek no validation remind me of that. I am not sure how old you are but it sounds to me like you are only in your 20's at best.
 

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