Valencia decimated by floods from storm Dana. Season finale in doubt.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I don't buy into anything he says. When he speaks I then think, what could he really mean? Am I being harsh on him? Sure. But I think he is a snake oil salesmen. I trust his words less than I trust his ability to drive a rental at 2 a.m. His actions and his words to match up. He is the Donald Trump of motogp.

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I remember 15 years ago when most members were complaining that Bush, Cheney, Romney, McCain, Ryan etc were all going to ruin our country (possibly the world) and steal trillions of dollars for the military industrial complex by fighting wars that they weren't planning to win. Trump et al took a wrecking ball to the neocons. They are locked out of power. Their families have been mostly run out of politics. They have no home, no friends, and no name to trade. The travesty of our times is that so few people have allowed themselves to enjoy it. Clearly our country had no reason to get rid of these people, and it must be foreign malign influence? We must support the wars that oppose this malign influence?

In a similar vein, Pecco has chosen sadness by declining to ride at Valencia (if it happens) to show solidarity with the people. Unfortunately, he didn't ask the people what they want so he's really just doing it for himself. Making emotional appeals in the wake of a disaster is always a dangerous game, and Pecco is old enough and has enough media stature to know better, imo. The US struggled with a similar situation after the Lahaina fires on Maui. Corporations and tourists canceled their conferences, vacations, conventions, etc. to show how sensitive they were. Many people in Maui also lost their livelihoods as a result. The situation in Valencia is complex, and it will be nearly impossible to balance the needs of people who crave normalcy with those who aren't ready for tourists and celebration. I'm confident that Pecco's self-serving remarks have only made it more difficult.

mylexicon said:

I remember 15 years ago when most members were complaining that Bush, Cheney, Romney, McCain, Ryan etc were all going to ruin our country (possibly the world) and steal trillions of dollars for the military industrial complex by fighting wars that they weren't planning to win. Trump et al took a wrecking ball to the neocons. They are locked out of power. Their families have been mostly run out of politics. They have no home, no friends, and no name to trade. The travesty of our times is that so few people have allowed themselves to enjoy it. Clearly our country had no reason to get rid of these people, and it must be foreign malign influence? We must support the wars that oppose this malign influence?

In a similar vein, Pecco has chosen by declining to ride at Valencia (if it happens) to show solidarity with the people. Unfortunately, he didn't ask the people what they want so he's really just doing it for him. Making emotional appeals in the wake of a disaster is always a dangerous game, and Pecco is old enough and has enough media stature to know better, imo. The US struggled with a similar situation after the Lahaina fires on Maui. Corporations and tourists canceled their conferences, vacations, conventions, etc. to show how sensitive they were. Many people in Maui also lost their livelihoods as a result. The situation in Valencia is complex, and it will be nearly impossible to balance the needs of people who crave normalcy with those who aren't ready for tourists and celebration. I'm confident that Pecco's self-serving remarks have only made it more difficult.

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Great post as usual Lex

mylexicon said:

I remember 15 years ago when most members were complaining that Bush, Cheney, Romney, McCain, Ryan etc were all going to ruin our country (possibly the world) and steal trillions of dollars for the military industrial complex by fighting wars that they weren't planning to win. Trump et al took a wrecking ball to the neocons. They are locked out of power. Their families have been mostly run out of politics. They have no home, no friends, and no name to trade. The travesty of our times is that so few people have allowed themselves to enjoy it. Clearly our country had no reason to get rid of these people, and it must be foreign malign influence? We must support the wars that oppose this malign influence?

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He also cozied up to Putin and Kim Jong Un.
Is using bigotry and prejudice to appeal to voters. Blocked females right to an abortion. Is a serial liar, stoked insurrection when he lost the previous election.
Fair chance he took that "wrecking ball" simply to remove alternatives to himself.
There is plenty of reason to resist Putin's advance in Ukraine outside of Trump's politics. The right of the Ukranians to their home country and their lives is more than reason enough.

Anyway, he is not a good analogy for any motoGP rider. A level of arsehole way, way higher.

As I remember the world was shitting itself when Kim Jong was firing rockets in all directions until somebody got off their arse and went to meet him for a chat. After that meeting he stopped firing his rockets over any country. Diplomacy or what?
There are reasons to believe that somebody orchestrated Ukraine into a futile war it could never win, but the arms companies and others are getting rich so WGAF.

Faz said:

As I remember the world was shitting itself when Kim Jong was firing rockets in all directions until somebody got off their arse and went to meet him for a chat. After that meeting he stopped firing his rockets over any country. Diplomacy or what?
There are reasons to believe that somebody orchestrated Ukraine into a futile war it could never win, but the arms companies and others are getting rich so WGAF.

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The Bidens were in there before the war, cutting deals, one can only wonder who is profiting from this debacle, I have seen news articles of Ukraine officials being arrested for skimming millions from the money being provided from Western countries for the war. In fact accounting firm Deloitte has listed Ukraine in the past as one of the most corrupt Countries in Europe, go figure.

The scariest part of all in my opinion is anyone keeping track of where these hundreds of billions of dollars provided by Western Nations for the war are actually going ???

Contractually can a rider not decide to race when they are not injured?

BTY it’s possible that Bagnaia’s decision not to race if the venue wasn’t moved was a way to put pressure on Dorna to move venues as there appeared to be a decision to race at the venue 1 week later

mikesbytes said:

Contractually can a rider not decide to race when they are not injured?

BTY it’s possible that Bagnaia’s decision not to race if the venue wasn’t moved was a way to put pressure on Dorna to move venues as there appeared to be a decision to race at the venue 1 week later

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I mean we are talking about a guy who drives a car when he is not supposed to.

Is this the thread about the devastating losses in Spain?

Sennas_Caress said:

Is this the thread about the devastating losses in Spain?

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It was till Pecco decided to try and make it about himself.

Kind of like his master.

mylexicon said:

I remember 15 years ago when most members were complaining that Bush, Cheney, Romney, McCain, Ryan etc were all going to ruin our country (possibly the world) and steal trillions of dollars for the military industrial complex by fighting wars that they weren't planning to win. Trump et al took a wrecking ball to the neocons. They are locked out of power. Their families have been mostly run out of politics. They have no home, no friends, and no name to trade. The travesty of our times is that so few people have allowed themselves to enjoy it. Clearly our country had no reason to get rid of these people, and it must be foreign malign influence? We must support the wars that oppose this malign influence?

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I don't want to be too political but I still don't understand why the Harris campaign and previously the Biden campaign are touting endorsements by Republicans when most of these Republicans are neoconservatives who were absolutely despised by the dems just 10-20 years ago.
They weren't talking any friendlier about them than they're talking about Trump right now. I'm not old enough to actually remember that but the internet remembers it.

The first I actually do consciously remember seeing on the news as a kid was on the day after the 2008 elections in the US. I remember saying to my mom "That old man must be incredibly sad right now."

JPSLotus said:

It was till Pecco decided to try and make it about himself.

Kind of like his master.

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Ironic that he is acting like he cares about the people in Spain, when one night in a rental he didn't think about the people at all.

To sas something more on topic I'd love to see MotoGP keep the name Valencian Community GP for the replacement race.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Ironic that he is acting like he cares about the people in Spain, when one night in a rental he didn't think about the people at all.

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Forgive me for asking this but has someone close to you been affected by someone driving whilst under the influence?

Faz said:

Forgive me for asking this but has someone close to you been affected by someone driving whilst under the influence?

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I have a close friend who was in a coma wasn't sure he would make it. Now he is in a wheelchair. My problem is not with the mistake. People make mistakes and thats fine. My issue is his total lack of responsibility for his actions. Not just his but DORNA's, Ducati's, and Jack's. The way they skirted a question at the presser and attacked the media for asking the question is something I will never forget. I will never let this go. Again making a mistake in life is forgivable but not taking acceptance for your actions is not. Since then he has proven his character is to pass blame on others in every situation. I wonder if it is still A Marq's fault he is losing the championship right now.

JFM01 said:

I don't want to be too political but I still don't understand why the Harris campaign and previously the Biden campaign are touting endorsements by Republicans when most of these Republicans are neoconservatives who were absolutely despised by the dems just 10-20 years ago.
They weren't talking any friendlier about them than they're talking about Trump right now. I'm not old enough to actually remember that but the internet remembers it.

The first I actually do consciously remember seeing on the news as a kid was on the day after the 2008 elections in the US. I remember saying to my mom "That old man must be incredibly sad right now."

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George Carlin explained it many years ago. It’s a big club, and we aren’t in it. Geopolitical negotiations and strategic maneuvering takes place over generations (or longer). Bureaucracies have permanence, and they are given control these strategies, which have become increasingly broad and now impact all aspects of our lives.

Elections are just a sporting contest. The players are not trying to lower ticket prices or stop the teams from stealing taxpayer money. They are competing for fame and money. They are hired and screened by the league and teams. The most successful players are competing for access into the bureaucracy—they become so big that the league actually confers with them.

In the United States and other countries, groups of players, officials, coaches and team owners have launched initiatives to takeover the league. The US is a two-party system so a bunch of hall-of-fame politicians are rallying around one party to preserve the status quo.

Do the new guys have good ideas? Will they do what they say? Does the old system actually need to be thrown away? Has one of these factions (or both or none) betrayed our society? Is compromise possible? This is what the world is trying to figure out, and it varies by country.

In the US it’s Trump. In your neck of the woods, it’s the AfD.

mylexicon said:

In the US it’s Trump.

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He is the best choice.

JFM01 said:

I don't want to be too political but I still don't understand why the Harris campaign and previously the Biden campaign are touting endorsements by Republicans when most of these Republicans are neoconservatives who were absolutely despised by the dems just 10-20 years ago.

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Because politics makes for strange bedfellows? They do what they have to do to remain in or achieve power. Then they bend us over and screw us to appease the special interest groups who really got them elected by giving them wads of money.

Agree with the Carlin quote: It's a great big club, and you ain't in it.

Democrats would rather lose to Republicans than share wealth or power with people outside the club. Republicans agree that sharing is absurd, but don't think they need Democrats in the club.

Those are our choices. Greatest democracy in the world they always told me.

Remember that one night when pecco single handedly killed half of spains population because he parked his car in a ditch, that prooves he gives a .... about the people in valencia…

I find this flood grievance overhyped. Get over it. Yes, I do have the right to say so.
In 2016 during Historic Louisiana Flood 146 thousand homes were damaged. I had over 4 ft water in my home for over a week. Unfortunately, I was in the hospital same time and my [blonde] wife is an airhead, she couldn't handle the situation. We lost everything. When the water receded we had literally nothing but trash filled home with only brick walls standing and roof over them. I came out from hospital crippled and struggled two years to rebuild.
I say get over it. Give some real help if you can, but stop this howling "oh how sorry I am about this disaster".