Turkey SPOILER

The reason most people loved Rossi is because of his love and passion for Racing. It now seems that Rossi only enjoys the winning!

He carrys on like a spoilt brat when things do go his way.
Grow up Number #46

Why is there even such a furor over his comments. In his opinion he was bumped around by Elias. I think that if most of us were on a track with Elias we would not appreciate being bumped, especially under heavy breaking. Elias is not a championship threat, and Rossi has probably had a belly-full of his on track antics(2006?). I think Elias rides around like a desperate man who doesnt know when he will have another chance for a win. Put your self in Rossi's shoes. Have any of you ever been to a track-day and had the displeasure of racing with a maniac? I have and everytime I passed him I felt like I was rolling the dice.

THATS why i like watching Elias....

And Rossi is not a maniac when he is punting riders off course.Do you not see the double standard?He is as guilty as anyone but i guess since its Rossi,we should not call ........ on him

At last, I've seen it!

3 things spring to mind.

Firstly, what a fantastic win for Casey. There can be no arguement now putting it down to the bike alone, Casey is super fast this year.

Second, I haven't heard any interviews, but if Valentino has complained about Elias's move then that is bloody hypocritical. I hope it isn't true. No discussion on first lap, middle lap or last lap. Races can be won or lost on any lap, that's why we have multi lap races.

Thirdly, first lap pile ups' happen, simple. Nobody can really be to blame because the resulting situation has developed through previous corners, and the number of riders obviously trying to snatch a higher position on lap one. Significantly, it was fortunate for Valentino, who without the crash would have undoubtedly finished lower. Perhaps the same could be said for Nicky, among others.

Was it really that great a race????? I suspect most of the GP paddock are still in awe of Valentino, judging by the way they gingerly and eventually got past him, even in the knowledge of the state of Vale's rear tyre. Elias 'stuffed' his way past, all the others hesitated.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Apr 24 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At last, I've seen it!

3 things spring to mind.

Firstly, what a fantastic win for Casey. There can be no arguement now putting it down to the bike alone, Casey is super fast this year.

Second, I haven't heard any interviews, but if Valentino has complained about Elias's move then that is bloody hypocritical. I hope it isn't true. No discussion on first lap, middle lap or last lap. Races can be won or lost on any lap, that's why we have multi lap races.

Thirdly, first lap pile ups' happen, simple. Nobody can really be to blame because the resulting situation has developed through previous corners, and the number of riders obviously trying to snatch a higher position on lap one. Significantly, it was fortunate for Valentino, who without the crash would have undoubtedly finished lower. Perhaps the same could be said for Nicky, among others.

Was it really that great a race????? I suspect most of the GP paddock are still in awe of Valentino, judging by the way they gingerly and eventually got past him, even in the knowledge of the state of Vale's rear tyre. Elias 'stuffed' his way past, all the others hesitated.

Well excuse us but I for one still 'awe to Rossi' simply because even with a wearing out tyre from at least lap 4 he recovered up to second. In this photo Rossi still is behind the leaders in fifth place and with that tyre picked up and got to second, then with the tyre wearing out even more… no wonder he lost places!



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PS. “who without the crash would have undoubtedly finished lower”… yeah, yeah, yeah… and also ‘who with a good tyre would have undoubtedly finished Much Higher'… So what was your point?


PS2. About Elias overtaking… ‘tough and fair’.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 24 2007, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>good pictures but i just cant quite rule out contact with pedrosa and oj in frame 2. but i am open minded on the subject

I watched that sequence time after time the day before yesterday and IMO it's quite clear that Pedrosa hit OJ. It happens right about frame 2 in that picture sequence. As far as I can see edwards is well outside of the two and only get's touched when OJ's bike is allready on a vild spin. Look at frame 3 where edwards is at a normal lean angle, only in frame four it looks like he is on his way down.

What these pitures doesn't show, and I couldn't catch a still on my VCR is the little twitch OJ's bike does as pedrosas' front hit him. The big higside "wobble" we see the start of in frame 3 is the rebound from the first one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 25 2007, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well excuse us but I for one still 'awe to Rossi' simply because even with a wearing out tyre from at least lap 4 he recovered up to second. In this photo Rossi still is behind the leaders in fifth place and with that tyre picked up and got to second, then with the tyre wearing out even more… no wonder he lost places!



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PS. “who without the crash would have undoubtedly finished lower”… yeah, yeah, yeah… and also ‘who with a good tyre would have undoubtedly finished Much Higher'… So what was your point?
PS2. About Elias overtaking… ‘tough and fair’.


Touchy!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 25 2007, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I watched that sequence time after time the day before yesterday and IMO it's quite clear that Pedrosa hit OJ. It happens right about frame 2 in that picture sequence. As far as I can see edwards is well outside of the two and only get's touched when OJ's bike is allready on a vild spin. Look at frame 3 where edwards is at a normal lean angle, only in frame four it looks like he is on his way down.

What these pitures doesn't show, and I couldn't catch on my VCR is the little twitch OJ's bike does as pedrosas' front hit him. The big higside "wobble" we see the start of in frame 3 is the rebound from the first one.
thats how i saw it mate,i also saw pedrosas bike slow all of a sudden at about frame 2. as i said before tho im open minded and dont think any riders should be blamed including oj. but i glad others like yourself saw what i saw i was begining to think i was see'ing things
it will be interesting to hear whats officialy said about it at the next meeting in china.,

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 25 2007, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is there even such a furor over his comments. In his opinion he was bumped around by Elias. I think that if most of us were on a track with Elias we would not appreciate being bumped, especially under heavy breaking. Elias is not a championship threat, and Rossi has probably had a belly-full of his on track antics(2006?). I think Elias rides around like a desperate man who doesnt know when he will have another chance for a win. Put your self in Rossi's shoes. Have any of you ever been to a track-day and had the displeasure of racing with a maniac? I have and everytime I passed him I felt like I was rolling the dice.
+1

First of all....A trackday is NOT even close to a Gp race. To make that comparison is a stretch, to say the least. If there is someone riding aggresively at a trackday, you can have them removed from the track by the trackday organizers.

Secondly....Rossi has made more than his fair share of "rough" passes in the past. This just happened to be that Rossi was the one that was getting passed. Maybe sour grapes? I think the pass was fine. If GP racing is a mens sport (according to Rossi) then he needs to grow a set and accept the fact that when he is not having his best day, there will be other riders who are having a better day than he is and he will get passed. If he cannot handle getting passed as aggressively as he passes others, maybe he needs to retire or go race in another series.

I think that every racer on the grid rides their bike as hard as they can. Some bikes are just better than others. Why would these guys get to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and NOT run as hard as they could?

This should make for even a better season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 25 2007, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is there even such a furor over his comments. In his opinion he was bumped around by Elias. I think that if most of us were on a track with Elias we would not appreciate being bumped, especially under heavy breaking. Elias is not a championship threat, and Rossi has probably had a belly-full of his on track antics(2006?). I think Elias rides around like a desperate man who doesnt know when he will have another chance for a win. Put your self in Rossi's shoes. Have any of you ever been to a track-day and had the displeasure of racing with a maniac? I have and everytime I passed him I felt like I was rolling the dice.

I get where your coming from, but these are no track day amateurs, we are talking about the very best riders in the world who do this for a living. They know what they are doing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 25 2007, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is there even such a furor over his comments. In his opinion he was bumped around by Elias. I think that if most of us were on a track with Elias we would not appreciate being bumped, especially under heavy breaking. Elias is not a championship threat, and Rossi has probably had a belly-full of his on track antics(2006?). I think Elias rides around like a desperate man who doesnt know when he will have another chance for a win. Put your self in Rossi's shoes. Have any of you ever been to a track-day and had the displeasure of racing with a maniac? I have and everytime I passed him I felt like I was rolling the dice.
This is just a worthless comment. In his entire career Rossi did a lot of these kinds of overtakings, even worse. Even in this race he did a simililar overtaking to Hopkins. So how do you have the guts to post such a comment ? Aren't you ashamed ? Elias did nothing wrong to Rossi. He made him fall once last year, and that's it. It can happen to anyone. Rossi made several people fall and nobody of those people is behaving as childish as Rossi. Rossi is just a sore loser and he got owned big time by Elias.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ Apr 25 2007, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi made several people fall and nobody of those people is behaving as childish as Rossi.
name them !! go on if your going to make those sort of comments then back it up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 25 2007, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>name them !! go on if your going to make those sort of comments then back it up

the long pause without a reply would suggest he is searching wikipedia for a rider who rossi has raced against in the past!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 25 2007, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>name them !! go on if your going to make those sort of comments then back it up

Rossi took Depuniet off at le mans last year, just a few races after the same thing happened to him. They don't do it on purpose, sometimes the first corner is just tight. As for rough passes, lets not forget Motegi 2005.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 25 2007, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi took Depuniet off at le mans last year, just a few races after the same thing happened to him. They don't do it on purpose, sometimes the first corner is just tight. As for rough passes, lets not forget Motegi 2005.

Motegi 05 was the only one i could think of but 1 in 10 years is a cleaner record than most!

and as for the De Puniet thing i maybe wrong but wasn't Rossi basically shoved into the Kawasaki by another bike, i think a repsol but not sure. The first corner accidents is usually just too many riders trying to take the same line through the corner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 24 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More evidence (Part III).

18 laps to go and Rossi’s tyre already looks like going on its right side! (meaning that he rode to recover back to second on a Bad tyre and then lost places)...

As the god he is destorying a race tire in 2-3 laps time is no big deal.
He should obviously been riding slower, conserving his tire.

Mergey Mergey!

these topics are heading along a parallel.

play nice

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Apr 25 2007, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motegi 05 was the only one i could think of but 1 in 10 years is a cleaner record than most!

and as for the De Puniet thing i maybe wrong but wasn't Rossi basically shoved into the Kawasaki by another bike, i think a repsol but not sure. The first corner accidents is usually just too many riders trying to take the same line through the corner.

No actully Rossi bashed past Pedrosa (he stayed on), then nocked into Randy hard enough to send him into the gravel. But yes, too many riders and not enough track, it happens.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (machmanzx10r @ Apr 25 2007, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he cannot handle getting passed as aggressively as he passes others, maybe he needs to retire or go race in another series.

He can go to WSBK, at least then he can't blame his tires