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Turkey SPOILER

lets just hope all the bikes have all their fairings smashed to bits by the end of the season and a few of the top riders get a bit rattled
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 25 2007, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I watched that sequence time after time the day before yesterday and IMO it's quite clear that Pedrosa hit OJ. It happens right about frame 2 in that picture sequence. As far as I can see edwards is well outside of the two and only get's touched when OJ's bike is allready on a vild spin. Look at frame 3 where edwards is at a normal lean angle, only in frame four it looks like he is on his way down.

What these pitures doesn't show, and I couldn't catch a still on my VCR is the little twitch OJ's bike does as pedrosas' front hit him. The big higside "wobble" we see the start of in frame 3 is the rebound from the first one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 25 2007, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats how i saw it mate,i also saw pedrosas bike slow all of a sudden at about frame 2. as i said before tho im open minded and dont think any riders should be blamed including oj. but i glad others like yourself saw what i saw i was begining to think i was see'ing things
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it will be interesting to hear whats officialy said about it at the next meeting in china.,

Here you go Roger and Fish, the missing frames you need I think! (Pedrosa touching Jaque before he hits Eduards)…
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PS. Whenever you need one frame out of any GP race I can get if you ask mate! (or at least I’ll try).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 25 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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I know it means nothing really, but it is something positive to draw from his weekend.

The only positive for Hayden about it is that he didn’t drop back to 8th…
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 25 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is quite easily upset by tough racing and always has been. I think the fuss about Rossi is that he is usually the one saying "thats racing" and he is usually thrilled to have a hard battle.

Didn’t Stoner, undoubted winner, complained about Elias Friday’s practice too?

(Not backing up Rossi in his comments, his could have been angry at the tyre but did say silly remarks about Elias)…
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Apr 25 2007, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think we actually need a guy like Elias. Someone who doesn't care whether your name is Valentino Rossi..
At least he ain't afraid to overtake ''the doctor''.
I like that about him..Exactly. It's like Haga coming to WSB in 98 and duffing up Fogarty and into the bargain he's got one of the most entertaining styles in GP's. I can't help but like the guy, it's how my head's wired, go for the underdog everytime. Is Elias championship material?...no but I couldn't care less.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 26 2007, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn’t Stoner, undoubted winner, complained about Elias Friday’s practice too?

(Not backing up Rossi in his comments, his could have been angry at the tyre but did say silly remarks about Elias)…

Yeah, Casey tried to stick it to him in qualifying but Toni didn't give way. It was a little touch, nothing that hasn't happened before and it will obviously happen again.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 26 2007, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here you go Roger and Fish, the missing frames you need I think! (Pedrosa touching Jaque before he hits Eduards)…
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PS. Whenever you need one frame out of any GP race I can get if you ask mate! (or at least I’ll try).
The only positive for Hayden about it is that he didn’t drop back to 8th…
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Didn’t Stoner, undoubted winner, complained about Elias Friday’s practice too?

(Not backing up Rossi in his comments, his could have been angry at the tyre but did say silly remarks about Elias)…
there really cool pics mate and i thank you for posting them.
looking at you picture frames,what do you believe happened. im looking at the arial pic and it looks like pedrosa taking out oj if thats them right by the curb but its hard to tell. pitty we cant blow the pic up and clean it up more.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 26 2007, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there really cool pics mate and i thank you for posting them.
looking at you picture frames,what do you believe happened. im looking at the arial pic and it looks like pedrosa taking out oj if thats them right by the curb but its hard to tell. pitty we cant blow the pic up and clean it up more.

I must admit that ariel pic suggests that there was contact between pedrosa and OJ first. However i would think hard before i said Pedrosa took OJ out, considering that Dani was on a normal line and in control of his bike and OJ was diving up the inside and was never going to make that turn. It was really just a case of who he would take down first.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stumpy @ Apr 26 2007, 03:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lets just hope all the bikes have all their fairings smashed to bits by the end of the season and a few of the top riders get a bit rattled
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You what? I don't get your point, have you been playing too much road rash.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 26 2007, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I must admit that ariel pic suggests that there was contact between pedrosa and OJ first. However i would think hard before i said Pedrosa took OJ out, considering that Dani was on a normal line and in control of his bike and OJ was diving up the inside and was never going to make that turn. It was really just a case of who he would take down first.
i think it was a poor choice of words there on my part. as ive said in this thread ,i blame nobody,it was just hard racing. what i should have said was ,it looks like pedrosa and oj touched before the accedent which conferms what i thought i saw on eurosport while waching the race,
the race repete is on again in 10 mins so im going to watch it again.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 26 2007, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i blame nobody,it was just hard racing.

I agree, its the first lap of a gp, sometimes these things happen.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 26 2007, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the race repete is on again in 10 mins so im going to watch it again.

Lucky ......., while you watch that i'll be having an electronics lecture
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 26 2007, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think it was a poor choice of words there on my part. as ive said in this thread ,i blame nobody,it was just hard racing. what i should have said was ,it looks like pedrosa and oj touched before the accedent which conferms what i thought i saw on eurosport while waching the race,
the race repete is on again in 10 mins so im going to watch it again.

Still can't get my sky channels and bloke isn't coming till this afternoon to fix it so still haven't watched it on Eurosport
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 26 2007, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there really cool pics mate and i thank you for posting them.
looking at you picture frames,what do you believe happened. im looking at the arial pic and it looks like pedrosa taking out oj if thats them right by the curb but its hard to tell. pitty we cant blow the pic up and clean it up more.

I think that what we see in the other picture is that little twitch on OJ's bike. I could see it on the VCR with normal speed, a very quick movement, just before the big bounce. The bike does not have normal lean angle at that picture, rather standing up a little. As this one rebounds the real big highside arrives.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Apr 26 2007, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly. It's like Haga coming to WSB in 98 and duffing up Fogarty and into the bargain he's got one of the most entertaining styles in GP's. I can't help but like the guy, it's how my head's wired, go for the underdog everytime. Is Elias championship material?...no but I couldn't care less.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 25 2007, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(Pedrosa touching Jaque before he hits Eduards)…
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u mean oj commin in way to hot & hitting pedrosa.... don't u...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 26 2007, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I must admit that ariel pic suggests that there was contact between pedrosa and OJ first. However i would think hard before i said Pedrosa took OJ out, considering that Dani was on a normal line and in control of his bike and OJ was diving up the inside and was never going to make that turn. It was really just a case of who he would take down first.
funny how some seem to blame pedrosa for something oj admitted to out right.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 26 2007, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1^^^
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u mean oj commin in way to hot & hitting pedrosa.... don't u...
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funny how some seem to blame pedrosa for something oj admitted to out right.

Don’t get us wrong Frosty, I don’t think it’s what we’re are trying to prove here, if you read while back that’s not our point, nor Roger’s, Fishes', Tom’s or mine. We are just pointing out that Pedrosa’s front did touch Jaque’s back before Eduards was taken out. If Jaque came in to strong and was going to catch up to Eduards anyway is another matter, ‘just a matter of time’ like Tom said. Or if Pedrosa didn’t realize that Jaque wasn’t going to make (nano seconds here) and just kept his line, in which, when Jaque lifted a bit, they touched. Or if Jaque felt a bit guilty and declared it. Or whatever like just a first lap bunch up. All are other matters; the only thing was to point out that they touched before Eduards was taken out.

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PS. Like you said Roger, cannot zoom the picture clearly… sorry mate!
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I know it’s a bit late but I’ve been out of town. Plus, I want to post my take on the races before the next one. I’ll keep them brief. (Disclaimer, I didn’t read the comments on this thread, not that it matters, I’m sure everybody kept true to their inclinations, especially the mindless cheerleaders who undoubtedly where busy spining the results and post-race commentary).

1. Stoner-Brilliant
2. Elias-Superhero, Nice of him to treat the other riders as competitors, instead of prima donnas, like some think they are.
3. Capirossi-Fatherhood is treating him good. All balls on that last breaking move.
4. Barros-Not over the hill. But perhaps over the breaking reputation.
5. Melandri-I guess all that whining worked.
6. Hopkins-Hot girlfriends don’t get you podiums. But who cares when your banging a chick like that.
7. Hayden-Still struggling awfully, but top Michelin.
8. De Puniet-Kawasaki is in MotoGP?
9. Hofmann-Cracked a top ten, and managed to get some sponsorship air time.
10. Rossi-.... his tire due to that off track lapse, then sank after Elias kicked his ..., then cried about it, what a ...... Gracious?
11. Vermuelen-Man-Up Award, fastest lap after Pedrosa clips Jacques, etal take a .... on Edwards.
12-15 Checa, Nakano, Tamada, & Guintoli-Status quo. Move along, nothing to see here.
16. Roberts JR-killing me softly. You’re better than that.



(Vacation was sorta great. But a grip of work to catch up on when I came back. I hate to admit it, but I missed you guys on the forum--well most you guys.)

Now I got allot of reading to do.....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Apr 22 2007, 06:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oooh rossi looked welll mad with elias in the garage as he described the overtaking manouvre! + he should be does elias hate him? how many times wil he have to apologise to rossi?
Yeah, mad? Like a 5 year old kid who didn't get his way. They have a name for that, its called a <u>baby temper tantrum</u>.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rossifan @ Apr 22 2007, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Crap race from a Rossifan point of view
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toni was a bit of ..... Not impresed by stoner at all[/b], and its a shame dani got knocked of so early. But this is racing so this things happen. if it wasnt for the 3rd place fight this would have been a boring race. I thought toni was gonna play it smart and follow rossi to close the gap betwwen him and stoner and then go for the win in the last few laps.
Mindless cheerleader alert. But add:Blind too.

Toni did play it smart. He showed how to be a competitor, which is what they all should be doing. All positions are earned, not granted.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 4 2007, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, mad? Like a 5 year old kid who didn't get his way. They have a name for that, its called a <u>baby temper tantrum</u>.
Mindless cheerleader alert. But add:Blind too.

Toni did play it smart. He showed how to be a competitor, which is what they all should be doing. All positions are earned, not granted.

Welcome back Jumkie
You're right. He did make the right desition right then. Rossi were allready falling off and had little to offer in the chase of Stoner.
On the other hand, there are far too many hotheads out there who fight for 3rd or 5th or what ever, lap after lap, and loosing the posibility to fight for the real top spots (and destoying the excitement for the viewers). In that view positions can just as well be lost as earned by a unnesessarry and premature fight.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ Apr 22 2007, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was perfect once his tires was allowing!
I wouldn't call "perfect" giving up the lead by going off track in the first lap causing micro lacerations to the tire which ultimatley hastened the tire demise.

But I do appreciate Rossi for trying to hang in there fighting the problem all the way to the end. That's the Rossi I like. He’s a fighter. But I was disappointed (to put it politely) with his post race comments. Perfect he is not, but definitely human.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 3 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome back Jumkie
You're right. He did make the right desition right then. Rossi were allready falling off and had little to offer in the chase of Stoner.
On the other hand, there are far too many hotheads out there who fight for 3rd or 5th or what ever, lap after lap, and loosing the posibility to fight for the real top spots (and destoying the excitement for the viewers). In that view positions can just as well be lost as earned by a unnesessarry and premature fight.
Hey, what's up Babel. Nice to be back. I'm going back and reading the thread right now. (Just for the hell of it of course). Haha, I've run across some good posts so far. I know I'm super late, but it looks like everybody is getting ready to watch the race activities. So its a bit lonely on the forum. We in the States have to wait a few days before we get any coverage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Apr 22 2007, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just think you might as well go for the win in that situation. Whats the point in being second?
Hi Orrmate,

I'm pretty sure Elias was trying to win. Why else would he lay it all on the line for position. Its not like he was settling, Stoner was just that good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Apr 22 2007, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"I'm quite unhappy with Elias today because I think he was quite dangerous"
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Sob sob, go crying to mommy Vale.
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It's funny to see Rossi whining like Biaggi, my tyres blah blah, Elías blah blah!

Now the Rossi fans will jump at my neck but I HAD to say it!
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Worth repeating. Rossi made a bad situation worse by drawing more attention to himself with his whine. Man up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 22 2007, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stoner is just on a lucky streek, wont be long before he starts smashing ducati's up into tiny pieces, he had the track to himself while everyone behind was battling it out obvious he was gonna ride to victory, rossi has bad luck following him around again but he will pull it back im sure.
was dissapointed in todays race specialy with elias for riding like a 3 year old on a tricycle geez if you got a line stick to it, rossi should have just gone into his garage and rammed a wrench up his backside. imagine elais done that on the first corner it would be A DISASTER.

until next time
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Hahaha. This is the best post so far on this thread. (And I'm only on page three).

The World Wide Web doesn't have enough bandwith to respond. But thanks for the great laugh.

Perhaps we should just hand Rossi the championship, cancel the season, and the rest should all go home. Would that make you feel better?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Apr 22 2007, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What happened to Hopper? He was up to 3rd at one point but went backwards. Wrist hurting maybe?
Who knows. I was loving his scrapping until he went back behind Hayden. He totally should have been on the podium. I love the guy but he's killing me.
 
Welcome back Jumkie, i hope you are well. I've been holding the fort as best i can but as can see some of these mindless lot are pretty persistent!

I'm sure its gonna take you ages to get up to date, but i will look forward to the essays i will have to read tomorrow morning, exchanges are brief when you're not here.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 22 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elias did nothing wrong except riding hard against anyone no matter how many championships they have, rossi doesnt seem to like his own medicine.

Stoner just on a lucky streak?? yeah right, Stoner is using skill to win these races and hes doing a brilliant and mature job this year.
Worth repeating.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 3 2007, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome back Jumkie, i hope you are well. I've been holding the fort as best i can but as can see some of these mindless lot are pretty persistent!

I'm sure its gonna take you ages to get up to date, but i will look forward to the essays i will have to read tomorrow morning, exchanges are brief when you're not here.
Yes, I see you've been very busy. Haha. Excellent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 22 2007, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Crashy Stoner didn't deserve to win this race. The only reason he won is because Rossi ran off the track and then his Yamaha sucked and his Michelins failed.
Nice. That about sums it up. I was thinking the same thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 22 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how did you see the crash, what i think i saw was pedroboy clip the nearside rear wheel of jackque who what then shoved into edwards.
Hi Rog, whats hanging? Apart from your spining of Rossi's comments, I agree with you on this one. It looks like Pedrosa clipped OJ. It may or may not have been his fault though. It just looks like too many bikes tried to be in the same space.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Apr 22 2007, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The bike broke down!
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What a crappy day!
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Hi Burky buddy. Sorry to hear about your bike. I own a Ducati...I know all about break downs. I'm sure you finally got around to seeing the race. I'll look out for your comments.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 22 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ive been accused of being a cheerleader at times but even im not buying that tosh. stoner had over a 5 sec lead and deserved that win 100%
rossi had some bad luck but thats racing.
Nah, you don't say. You, a mindless cheerleader?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 22 2007, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it's too early in the season to be comparing Rossi to Gibernau! But of course they both won 7 GP titles before they started to complain about things didnt they. Oh sorry Gibernau won Jack .... titles.
Hi Pete, I missed you buddy.

Haha, nice of you to mix in a great reason to deflect and rationalize Rossi being a cry baby, ungracious ..... last race. Oh, I see, win some championships and you can throw a child temper tantrum, its ok, as long as you have a few trophies. I'll be sure to take a page from your idea of what make a decent professional the next time I'm giving advice about the qualites of integrity to the kids.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 22 2007, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you'll excuse me, I was kind of waiting for all these to put up…

Pictures, Pictures...

Damn, those are some great pictures man. Do you have one of Rossi pouting?
 

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