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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 23 2007, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the pass Elias did was borderline, just as I think Rossi's pass at Jerez '05 was. It's very close to being bad sportsmanship but I think it should be within the rules. The difference if any, I would say, is timing: 12 Laps to go vs. last corner. In other words, he could have chosen a better point to pass.
As for Rossi's whining, they all whine when they are disappointed, but even more so, Elias' pass was borderline, in other words, it was dangerous. Strange but when you feel your life is unnecessarily put in danger by others it has a tendency to piss you off. Doesn't really matter if you done similar mistakes yourself. Hypocrite? I think that is to harsh. Besides, off the record I bet 120% of the riders would say similar things and worse about their opponents. While I agree that there are limits, and some might look a little pitiful and over the top
Disagree with you here buddy. I think the pass on Sete was 10 times worse. He caused Sete to go off the track. Sete kept ups his bike who knows how. But its not the only time Rossi has cause people to go off track. He did it last year too. I think if it was unsportsmanlike like than everything is fair game. So where do you draw the line? Even when Pedrosa torpedoed Hayden, many said it was, "just a racing incident, but many of the same people were/are crying foul when Elias hit Rossi last year. (The vision of Toni clasping his hands in a praying position and bowing to Rossi is etched in my mind). Was Biaggi's elbow to Rossi a "racing incident" also? (I happen to think Biaggi didn't do it on purpose but Rossi, being the prima donnas that he is, made a big deal about it.) Kevin Schwantz said it may have appeared intentional, but the reality is a rider has to twitch his body and limps in ways that may seem odd to the casual onlooker to control the bike. Which I agree. But hell, the Rossi base would have like to crucify Biaggi for that and still see it as a malicious act. Rossi passed Hopkins in the same way, forcing him to run wide in the very same race. Then cried about Elias. That's ....... totally hypocritical. Had Sete tossed his bike in 05 at Jerez, I'm sure the Rossi base would have blamed him for it too. To rationalize it as a case of timing because Rossi did his move at the threshold of the end of the race is a stretch. If anything, you support the idea that Rossi's move was a poorly achieved and ill-conceived maneuver of desperation, and this is precisely when .... happens. I don't understand why you thing it’s a bit "harsh" to characterize his post race comments and "hypocritical". Yes, they all whine and complain at some point, but for ..... sake, Rossi was totally out of order on this one. Elias wasn't even borderline, he raced close but as dangerous as any of the top ten guys.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 23 2007, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you roger. Even despite what OJ says, as crashes happen fast and can be confusing. I was watching that insident in slow mo several times. The Norwegian commentators saw that some one touched OJ and first I said hell no, who should that be. But later I had to agree, Pedrosa did hit OJ's rear. The only question is if that directly influenced the crash or not. To me it looks like it did.
Agree. That’s what I saw too. The commentator also mentioned it upon review on Speed channel. He said it appear OJ had not gone in to hot and it looked like Pedrosa had clipped the rear tire.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2007, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so i say thats not judge riders post race comments to harshly.
Convenient. Lets not “judge the comments” when it your guy who sticks his foot (and leg) in his mouth, right… But we can do plenty of “judging” when it's Hayden, right Rog? Ok.
Spin away from the comments please, there is nothing to see here. Move along people, move along. Spin away.
As for Rossi's whining, they all whine when they are disappointed, but even more so, Elias' pass was borderline, in other words, it was dangerous. Strange but when you feel your life is unnecessarily put in danger by others it has a tendency to piss you off. Doesn't really matter if you done similar mistakes yourself. Hypocrite? I think that is to harsh. Besides, off the record I bet 120% of the riders would say similar things and worse about their opponents. While I agree that there are limits, and some might look a little pitiful and over the top
Disagree with you here buddy. I think the pass on Sete was 10 times worse. He caused Sete to go off the track. Sete kept ups his bike who knows how. But its not the only time Rossi has cause people to go off track. He did it last year too. I think if it was unsportsmanlike like than everything is fair game. So where do you draw the line? Even when Pedrosa torpedoed Hayden, many said it was, "just a racing incident, but many of the same people were/are crying foul when Elias hit Rossi last year. (The vision of Toni clasping his hands in a praying position and bowing to Rossi is etched in my mind). Was Biaggi's elbow to Rossi a "racing incident" also? (I happen to think Biaggi didn't do it on purpose but Rossi, being the prima donnas that he is, made a big deal about it.) Kevin Schwantz said it may have appeared intentional, but the reality is a rider has to twitch his body and limps in ways that may seem odd to the casual onlooker to control the bike. Which I agree. But hell, the Rossi base would have like to crucify Biaggi for that and still see it as a malicious act. Rossi passed Hopkins in the same way, forcing him to run wide in the very same race. Then cried about Elias. That's ....... totally hypocritical. Had Sete tossed his bike in 05 at Jerez, I'm sure the Rossi base would have blamed him for it too. To rationalize it as a case of timing because Rossi did his move at the threshold of the end of the race is a stretch. If anything, you support the idea that Rossi's move was a poorly achieved and ill-conceived maneuver of desperation, and this is precisely when .... happens. I don't understand why you thing it’s a bit "harsh" to characterize his post race comments and "hypocritical". Yes, they all whine and complain at some point, but for ..... sake, Rossi was totally out of order on this one. Elias wasn't even borderline, he raced close but as dangerous as any of the top ten guys.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 23 2007, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you roger. Even despite what OJ says, as crashes happen fast and can be confusing. I was watching that insident in slow mo several times. The Norwegian commentators saw that some one touched OJ and first I said hell no, who should that be. But later I had to agree, Pedrosa did hit OJ's rear. The only question is if that directly influenced the crash or not. To me it looks like it did.
Agree. That’s what I saw too. The commentator also mentioned it upon review on Speed channel. He said it appear OJ had not gone in to hot and it looked like Pedrosa had clipped the rear tire.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2007, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so i say thats not judge riders post race comments to harshly.
Convenient. Lets not “judge the comments” when it your guy who sticks his foot (and leg) in his mouth, right… But we can do plenty of “judging” when it's Hayden, right Rog? Ok.
Spin away from the comments please, there is nothing to see here. Move along people, move along. Spin away.
