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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 27 2006, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but if hayden wins the championship i will clap him and respect that because above all im a race fan
ditto.
ditto.
There is not such thing as bad luck in the long term. A rider may have bad luck in one or two races but champsionships are now 15 or 17 races long. Rossi hasn't bad luck; he forced the development of a bike that only now is working as he wants.
The conspiracy theory which says that hrc privileged Pedrosa by giving and evo to Hayden is... not a conspiracy. Repsol was freaking out big time by being left with a rider, Hayden, who had won only one race in three years with the most expensive and best racing material and team in the world. No Biaggi, no Gibernau, no Rossi left in the package this time to keep the hope of a world title.
By the time Pedrosa was snatched from Telefonica's hands, he had won three world champsionships with inferior Honda machinery in Vietnam (125) and Afghanistan (250). Please, please, come, quick.
By signing the development of the evo he knew that he'd have a hard time to give a go at the title. An underdog with status of a team leader, press-wise. He has tried, he's not crashed, points aplenty, low profile, well done kid.
The conspiracy theory which says that hrc privileged Pedrosa by giving and evo to Hayden is... not a conspiracy. Repsol was freaking out big time by being left with a rider, Hayden, who had won only one race in three years with the most expensive and best racing material and team in the world. No Biaggi, no Gibernau, no Rossi left in the package this time to keep the hope of a world title.
By the time Pedrosa was snatched from Telefonica's hands, he had won three world champsionships with inferior Honda machinery in Vietnam (125) and Afghanistan (250). Please, please, come, quick.
By signing the development of the evo he knew that he'd have a hard time to give a go at the title. An underdog with status of a team leader, press-wise. He has tried, he's not crashed, points aplenty, low profile, well done kid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Sep 27 2006, 04:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is not such thing as bad luck in the long term. A rider may have bad luck in one or two races but champsionships are now 15 or 17 races long. Rossi hasn't bad luck; he forced the development of a bike that only now is working as he wants.
Of course there is dude. You think getting hit by a rider in one race, having your tire fly apart in another race, having and electronics failure in another race, breaking your hand and foot in a practice and having a full thermo-breakdown at Laguna couldn't be construed as long term bad luck....that's silly. If long term bad luck DIDN'T exist, Hopper would be world champion and Ellison wouldn't be looking for a job next season.
Forcing developement is the job of every good rider, but doing so does not predicate failures like these......
Forcing developement is the job of every good rider, but doing so does not predicate failures like these......
Im gonna agree with a few of the posts and add a bit more, how can Hayden complain about his bike he's lead rider for HRC. Riding for HRC is like being on Ferrari in F1. Being the on the developing bike is no excuse put capirossi, gibbers, Vale in the same position and Im sure you wouldn't hear any complaints just look at the points scoring, if vales bike problems and capirossi's big crash didn't happen hayden would be maybe TOPS 3rd in the championship if he will be crowned World Champion it will be a King of mediocre champion just look at the stats posted at the begining Rossi 5 wins Capirossi 3 wins Melandri 2 wins hayden 2 wins
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R-46 @ Sep 26 2006, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If
sorry hinds...... if's dont count in the end.
sorry hinds...... if's dont count in the end.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Sep 26 2006, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unless you've scrapped with Rossi and won at least once...like Cappy and Melandri....
sorry doc but niether of these 2 have actually scrapped with rossi & beat him. they won by getting a huge lead & maintaining it. i can only remember 2 times when rossi actually lost a fairing bangin, last lap affair. ukawa in welkom in 02 & gibbers at sachsenring in 03. capirossi & melandri have duked it out with him, but have always come up short. if rossi is there at the last lap.he'll most likely win it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Sep 26 2006, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i believe, "if you wanna be the man, you've got to beat the man."
and that hasn't happened...i like Nick, but he has to show something these last 2 races....
must agree with this. the kid has got to get in there & beat him. tall order tho.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Sep 26 2006, 04:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assen doesn't count either, right? The FIM really need to work on their rules, I mean everyone should know that races in which a rider wearing the number 46 has unfortunate luck don't count towards the world championship.
Not bashing his fans and certainly not bashing Rossi but the constant "Hayden doesn't deserve the championship" talk is really getting repetitive and rather annoying. If he manages to score more points than Valentino after Valencia then he will be the 2006 champ and there's nothing anyone can say to take that away. And if Valentino makes the comeback complete then it will be remembered as one of the best seasons in recent memory. Simple as that.
nuff said!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Sep 27 2006, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>: If long term bad luck DIDN'T exist, Hopper would be world champion and Ellison wouldn't be looking for a job next season.
ohhh pleeeease! gimme a break.
sorry doc but niether of these 2 have actually scrapped with rossi & beat him. they won by getting a huge lead & maintaining it. i can only remember 2 times when rossi actually lost a fairing bangin, last lap affair. ukawa in welkom in 02 & gibbers at sachsenring in 03. capirossi & melandri have duked it out with him, but have always come up short. if rossi is there at the last lap.he'll most likely win it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Sep 26 2006, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i believe, "if you wanna be the man, you've got to beat the man."
and that hasn't happened...i like Nick, but he has to show something these last 2 races....
must agree with this. the kid has got to get in there & beat him. tall order tho.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Sep 26 2006, 04:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assen doesn't count either, right? The FIM really need to work on their rules, I mean everyone should know that races in which a rider wearing the number 46 has unfortunate luck don't count towards the world championship.
Not bashing his fans and certainly not bashing Rossi but the constant "Hayden doesn't deserve the championship" talk is really getting repetitive and rather annoying. If he manages to score more points than Valentino after Valencia then he will be the 2006 champ and there's nothing anyone can say to take that away. And if Valentino makes the comeback complete then it will be remembered as one of the best seasons in recent memory. Simple as that.
nuff said!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Sep 27 2006, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>: If long term bad luck DIDN'T exist, Hopper would be world champion and Ellison wouldn't be looking for a job next season.
ohhh pleeeease! gimme a break.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krazy91 @ Sep 27 2006, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how can Hayden complain about his bike he's lead rider for HRC.
funny thing is hayden does'nt really complain, except about the clutch, at all. others do the complaining & suddenly it's him doin it. rossi fans just cannot stand hayden bein in front of him. it simply just gauls the .... out of them. so they got him turning into a complainer & winer. he is doing a good job of choking the past 3 races i'll give ya that. but cut him some slack & wait & see what happens at the last 2 races.
he could still be champion.
funny thing is hayden does'nt really complain, except about the clutch, at all. others do the complaining & suddenly it's him doin it. rossi fans just cannot stand hayden bein in front of him. it simply just gauls the .... out of them. so they got him turning into a complainer & winer. he is doing a good job of choking the past 3 races i'll give ya that. but cut him some slack & wait & see what happens at the last 2 races.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Sep 27 2006, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By signing the development of the evo he knew that he'd have a hard time to give a go at the title. An underdog with status of a team leader, press-wise. He has tried, he's not crashed, points aplenty, low profile, well done kid.Yeah I agree
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 28 2006, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorry hinds...... if's dont count in the end.
Bloody "If only" merchants
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 28 2006, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorry hinds...... if's dont count in the end.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 27 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorry doc but niether of these 2 have actually scrapped with rossi & beat him.
ohhh pleeeease! gimme a break.
Frost....at least they've pushed his buttons and given it a go....and as far as the Hopper comment.....I was trying to prove a point to a naysayer that bad luck can exist for more than one race.......
Admit it....Ellison is championship material....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 27 2006, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi fans just cannot stand hayden bein in front of him. it simply just gauls the .... out of them. so they got him turning into a complainer & winer.
Now its YOUR TURN to give me a break....that make no sense whatsoever.....what gauls "us Rossi fans"....is that Hayden should be way ahead of a guy that has not finished 4 whole races....I loved that Hayden was beating Rossi...what "gauls" me is how seemingly easy Hayden has layed down and how much Rossi has stepped up....that's what makes ANY complaining from HRC seem ridiculous....
ohhh pleeeease! gimme a break.
Frost....at least they've pushed his buttons and given it a go....and as far as the Hopper comment.....I was trying to prove a point to a naysayer that bad luck can exist for more than one race.......
Admit it....Ellison is championship material....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 27 2006, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi fans just cannot stand hayden bein in front of him. it simply just gauls the .... out of them. so they got him turning into a complainer & winer.
Now its YOUR TURN to give me a break....that make no sense whatsoever.....what gauls "us Rossi fans"....is that Hayden should be way ahead of a guy that has not finished 4 whole races....I loved that Hayden was beating Rossi...what "gauls" me is how seemingly easy Hayden has layed down and how much Rossi has stepped up....that's what makes ANY complaining from HRC seem ridiculous....
The only people that have been lucky this year are the fans for it not being the same processional, tedium of Rossi winning another championship.
I take my hat off to the guys talent but the inevitability of him always winning every race from half way back, the mind games he plays, the media buried up his arse and the way so few riders have the balls to straight challenge him on the track made for boring bloody racing.
I take my hat off to the guys talent but the inevitability of him always winning every race from half way back, the mind games he plays, the media buried up his arse and the way so few riders have the balls to straight challenge him on the track made for boring bloody racing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Sep 28 2006, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Of course there is dude. You think getting hit by a rider in one race, having your tire fly apart in another race, having and electronics failure in another race, breaking your hand....
Up until there I thought you were sticking up for Gibernau, Doc
Up until there I thought you were sticking up for Gibernau, Doc
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Sep 29 2006, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Up until there I thought you were sticking up for Gibernau, Doc
Ohhhhh god nooooooooooooooo!!!!........
Ohhhhh god nooooooooooooooo!!!!........
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (payne by name @ Sep 29 2006, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only people that have been lucky this year are the fans for it not being the same processional, tedium of Rossi winning another championship.
I take my hat off to the guys talent but the inevitability of him always winning every race from half way back, the mind games he plays, the media buried up his arse and the way so few riders have the balls to straight challenge him on the track made for boring bloody racing.
Can't agree more.
I take my hat off to the guys talent but the inevitability of him always winning every race from half way back, the mind games he plays, the media buried up his arse and the way so few riders have the balls to straight challenge him on the track made for boring bloody racing.
Can't agree more.
Mathematically, a champion he might be, but he'll have to live with the fact that he beat Vale by numbers, not by skill.....as an ex-racer, I can tell you....that'll suck.....
I am not even a racer but I appreciate what you said. I also would be too proud to consider myself a winner if my competitor lost due to a technical problem.
Still fact is that Nicky is a good rider. To finish high so many times deserves a praise. he could have crashed trying but he did not. He accumulated points and that's not something anyone can do. Even if rossi did not have 3 bad races (dnf's ) hayden would be only 50 to 70 points behind. last year If I remeber correctly Rossi got the championship by over a 100 points. it s not that I disapprove of nicky's riding or doubt his talent. I disapprove of his way of thinking. I want him to think " I can beat rossi one on one" I dont think he thinks so , I dont think he can. If rossi looses this year it will not be to Nicky it will be to a group consisting ofl: Nicky, Loris, Melandri and Pedrosa.
I am not even a racer but I appreciate what you said. I also would be too proud to consider myself a winner if my competitor lost due to a technical problem.
Still fact is that Nicky is a good rider. To finish high so many times deserves a praise. he could have crashed trying but he did not. He accumulated points and that's not something anyone can do. Even if rossi did not have 3 bad races (dnf's ) hayden would be only 50 to 70 points behind. last year If I remeber correctly Rossi got the championship by over a 100 points. it s not that I disapprove of nicky's riding or doubt his talent. I disapprove of his way of thinking. I want him to think " I can beat rossi one on one" I dont think he thinks so , I dont think he can. If rossi looses this year it will not be to Nicky it will be to a group consisting ofl: Nicky, Loris, Melandri and Pedrosa.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (motogp @ Oct 2 2006, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Mathematically, a champion he might be, but he'll have to live with the fact that he beat Vale by numbers, not by skill.....as an ex-racer, I can tell you....that'll suck.....
I am not even a racer but I appreciate what you said. I also would be too proud to consider myself a winner if my competitor lost due to a technical problem.
Still fact is that Nicky is a good rider. To finish high so many times deserves a praise. he could have crashed trying but he did not. He accumulated points and that's not something anyone can do. Even if rossi did not have 3 bad races (dnf's ) hayden would be only 50 to 70 points behind. last year If I remeber correctly Rossi got the championship by over a 100 points. it s not that I disapprove of nicky's riding or doubt his talent. I disapprove of his way of thinking. I want him to think " I can beat rossi one on one" I dont think he thinks so , I dont think he can. If rossi looses this year it will not be to Nicky it will be to a group consisting ofl: Nicky, Loris, Melandri and Pedrosa.
you hit it right on the nose in my opinion....
I am not even a racer but I appreciate what you said. I also would be too proud to consider myself a winner if my competitor lost due to a technical problem.
Still fact is that Nicky is a good rider. To finish high so many times deserves a praise. he could have crashed trying but he did not. He accumulated points and that's not something anyone can do. Even if rossi did not have 3 bad races (dnf's ) hayden would be only 50 to 70 points behind. last year If I remeber correctly Rossi got the championship by over a 100 points. it s not that I disapprove of nicky's riding or doubt his talent. I disapprove of his way of thinking. I want him to think " I can beat rossi one on one" I dont think he thinks so , I dont think he can. If rossi looses this year it will not be to Nicky it will be to a group consisting ofl: Nicky, Loris, Melandri and Pedrosa.
you hit it right on the nose in my opinion....
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