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I feel like I'm in a Dr Suess -v- Salvadore Dali sort of thing. Childish, surreal and always fun Sam I am!



The only one being childish is you. Review your posts and see just who it was that acted petulantly, and continued to do so.



I am done with this - you have proven you don't have the ability to accept any point of view other than your own and yet are unable to sustain an argument to support your own.
 
The only one being childish is you. Review your posts and see just who it was that acted petulantly, and continued to do so.



I am done with this - you have proven you don't have the ability to accept any point of view other than your own and yet are unable to sustain an argument to support your own.



You've worked out I'm childish - The international society for misfit adults will now present to you (in Geneva I believe) a Daniel Boone hat. That should warm up your big brain.



I do not accept your argument that TV rights alone is sufficient motivation for DORNA or the teams. Additional monies and profit are desired, although on your planet companies might have the corporate responsibility thing so tuned that making additional profit is shunned, who knows?. This might be Adam Smiths first rule. Don't tell me, I'll wait for NatGeo to do a documentary.



You accuse me of not presenting any evidence and I conversely accuse you of presenting none, and simply discounting what I said out of hand despite there being ample factual background. You could perhaps be as I suggested a hypocrite.



My argument is only being further strengthened by the day by the Bridgepoint development, my original argument (not the trivial straw man tangent you followed) is the WSBK is a serious threat to the pool of resources available for motogp, by presenting a good alternate series. you haven't even brushed against the intent of my post let alone presented an argument that shows you to be any great debater (except masturbator perhaps).



Your ability to go flat out into a dead end amazes me. You daredevil you. Your stories must be all the rage at ladies golf day.



You have done nothing but be an annoyance. But you are fun. Hang around, it should go well for you.



And your shadow quivering, lip smacking, sweaty palms, pants pissing, sniffer of his sisters laundry lickspittle friend is fun as well.



I was finished with this from the moment your first gut wrenchingly stupid reply came through, but the cathartic impact has reinvigorated me for the forum.



And for that I will always smile and wave at the bus from the sheltered workshop in case you and tissue are on it.



And I pass on my sincere thanks for the entertainment.



Now lets find another thread and do it again.
 
The only one being childish is you. Review your posts and see just who it was that acted petulantly, and continued to do so.



I am done with this - you have proven you don't have the ability to accept any point of view other than your own and yet are unable to sustain an argument to support your own.

You actually haven't replied to my post suggesting that the approaching 10 seconds superior lap time of the moto2 bikes vs the wss bikes at Aragon did not necessarily validate another argument of yours.



The convention on here is to form and post your arguments without google, then check. If you are wrong edit, admitting your mistake, and the source of your knowledge.
 
You actually haven't replied to my post suggesting that the approaching 10 seconds superior lap time of the moto2 bikes vs the wss bikes at Aragon did not necessarily validate another argument of yours.



The convention on here is to form and post your arguments without google, then check. If you are wrong edit, admitting your mistake, and the source of your knowledge.



My apologies - it must have slipped past me.



My post to you regarding the lap times wasn't meant as a slight, just showing that the figures show WSS and Moto2 are much closer than popular opinion might indicate. I haven't looked at the other tracks that they have in common, but as was pointed out, they don't always run the same layout so without those facts, it could only be a general indication. Top speed is a good indication of relative performance at the same track as it is less affected, assuming it isn't raining. Without resorting to Google (which apparently is only just slightly less acceptable than .......... round here) I can't give you the figures.



In reality they mean little, because the influence of the weather alone can count for many seconds a lap.
 
My apologies - it must have slipped past me.



My post to you regarding the lap times wasn't meant as a slight, just showing that the figures show WSS and Moto2 are much closer than popular opinion might indicate. I haven't looked at the other tracks that they have in common, but as was pointed out, they don't always run the same layout so without those facts, it could only be a general indication. Top speed is a good indication of relative performance at the same track as it is less affected, assuming it isn't raining. Without resorting to Google (which apparently is only just slightly less acceptable than .......... round here) I can't give you the figures.



In reality they mean little, because the influence of the weather alone can count for many seconds a lap.

I am no oracle, and generally stay out of technical discussions other than to ask for explanations of things that don't sound reasonable; I am sure you are among the many who know more about such things than me, and in general I have found your discussions of such things reasonable and valuable.



If your point was that weather etc influence lap times then it was well made, because even I immediately knew that whatever the relativity of wss and moto 2 in general moto 2 bikes had not suddenly become 9 seconds a lap faster at Aragon; I had some idea the circuit configuration was different but knew it was either that or a wet practice. I was also answering a post about moto2 bikes being faster than the 500cc gp bikes, which as you are aware last raced 10 years ago; I am sure moto2 bikes are also faster than the sixties gp bikes on their cookie cutter tyres. Marquez's recent lap record which is faster than the old wss lap record at misano is probably more relevant which I acknowledged, although the wss bikes are still 600cc bikes which are neither prototypes nor racing on slicks, nor ridden much by the likes of Marquez.



As you have said people don't necessarily deserve respect because they have posted a lot, but these newfangled internet forum things are called "social" media and andy is a smart guy with a good sense of humour who nearly died in a bike accident last year, and regulars on here are glad to see him posting again, in good humour and not particularly seriously in your discussion with him.
 
You've worked out I'm childish - The international society for misfit adults will now present to you (in Geneva I believe) a Daniel Boone hat. That should warm up your big brain.



I do not accept your argument that TV rights alone is sufficient motivation for DORNA or the teams. Additional monies and profit are desired, although on your planet companies might have the corporate responsibility thing so tuned that making additional profit is shunned, who knows?. This might be Adam Smiths first rule. Don't tell me, I'll wait for NatGeo to do a documentary.



You accuse me of not presenting any evidence and I conversely accuse you of presenting none, and simply discounting what I said out of hand despite there being ample factual background. You could perhaps be as I suggested a hypocrite.



My argument is only being further strengthened by the day by the Bridgepoint development, my original argument (not the trivial straw man tangent you followed) is the WSBK is a serious threat to the pool of resources available for motogp, by presenting a good alternate series. you haven't even brushed against the intent of my post let alone presented an argument that shows you to be any great debater (except masturbator perhaps).



Your ability to go flat out into a dead end amazes me. You daredevil you. Your stories must be all the rage at ladies golf day.



You have done nothing but be an annoyance. But you are fun. Hang around, it should go well for you.



And your shadow quivering, lip smacking, sweaty palms, pants pissing, sniffer of his sisters laundry lickspittle friend is fun as well.



I was finished with this from the moment your first gut wrenchingly stupid reply came through, but the cathartic impact has reinvigorated me for the forum.



And for that I will always smile and wave at the bus from the sheltered workshop in case you and tissue are on it.



And I pass on my sincere thanks for the entertainment.



Now lets find another thread and do it again.



That would be me then, most of it true as well.
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  • []I'm gonna see if I cant lighten the mood in here a bit.

    []

    []

    []What's funnier than a dead baby?

    A dead baby in a clown costume!




  • []What's funnier than a dead baby?

    A dead baby sitting next to a kid with down syndrome.




  • []How do you know when a baby is a dead baby?

    The dog plays with it more.




  • []What's more fun than feeling up a dead baby?

    Feeling up a dead baby with three nipples




  • []How do you make a dead baby float?

    Take your foot off of it's head.




  • []What's the difference between a dead baby and a trampoline?

    When you jump on a trampoline, you take your boots off.







How do you stop a baby crawling round in circles ?

Nail its other hand to the floor.



  • []What's blue and thrashes about on the floor?

    A baby playing in a plastic bag.




  • []How do you make a man pregnant?

    Stick a dead baby up his ...!




  • []How do you stop a baby falling down a manhole?

    Stick a javelin through it's head.




  • []How many babies does it take to paint a house?

    Depends how hard you throw them.


 
That would be me then, most of it true as well.
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Hang on, that's not fair. I'm the King of pathos defending his gutter and tinsel crown.



and now I feel like a miserable old man who turns bins over and frightens neighbourhood ..... cats.
 


  • []I'm gonna see if I cant lighten the mood in here a bit.



    []

    []

    []What's funnier than a dead baby?

    A dead baby in a clown costume!



  • []What's funnier than a dead baby?

    A dead baby sitting next to a kid with down syndrome.



  • []How do you know when a baby is a dead baby?

    The dog plays with it more.



  • []What's more fun than feeling up a dead baby?

    Feeling up a dead baby with three nipples



  • []How do you make a dead baby float?

    Take your foot off of it's head.



  • []What's the difference between a dead baby and a trampoline?

    When you jump on a trampoline, you take your boots off.





How do you stop a baby crawling round in circles ?

Nail its other hand to the floor.



  • []What's blue and thrashes about on the floor?

    A baby playing in a plastic bag.



  • []How do you make a man pregnant?

    Stick a dead baby up his ...!



  • []How do you stop a baby falling down a manhole?

    Stick a javelin through it's head.



  • []How many babies does it take to paint a house?

    Depends how hard you throw them.





Just when I feel like an ..... for being too childish, someone comes along and one ups me.



Thanks man !
 
Mdub, they are disgraceful. As a father to a second daughter about 5 weeks ago, I'm appalled.









Now that the wife isn't around, i still had a giggle.
 
Andy mate you have a fantastic way with words.
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Welcome back man!
 
On one hand I can understand stoner point if he says he dislikes all the rubbish talk in the paddock and in the media. period. BUT: you got that .... going on even if you have a regular job in a big company...well maybe not in the quality like in GP but you have it. It seems to me that stoner always was one of the best riders in this sport ever but he never was really into it with all his heart like a hayden eg. ( I heard those rumours that he had a lot of pressure by his father to be good!? if thats true its no wonder hes not into it with his heart).



I think it is really lousy how stoner leaves the scene. Whining and complaining about everything not seeing what he is now thaks to a) his skills but
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the sport itself.



For me his behavior is one more reason t not to like him. Honestly im glad hes leaving.
 
Alright then, how about this.



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jki1V9QsmDE[/media]



Not sure I have seen this on here before if so my bad. I have more baby jokes.



Quote under this video from some user who watched it is my point:



Quote:



Stoner, great rider but great ..........



Quote end.
 
Quote under this video from some user who watched it is my point:



Quote:



Stoner, great rider but great ..........



Quote end.

You are totally at liberty to consider him an ......., there is still relative freedom of opinion on the internet in the western world.



As for the video, been there done that , it may even have been you who posted it. I did point out that in this circumstance it is abraham who is doing the complaining rather than stoner, so I gather stoner complaining or being complained about is equally reprehensible, while abraham is simply displaying justified annoyance in your view, even though no-one including you knows what happened other than the two of them, on a testing day when there is absolutely no reason for abraham to look for a tow, or to seek proximity with stoner at all , except perhaps to annoy him. You have at least not sought to take stoner to task for bad behaviour in a cart race he did not contest on this occasion.
 
O thank you, a reasonable response.



Thanks for the chin up.



The Spain and Italy thing is problematic. As we saw with Greece the EU will get to a point where they dictate austerity measures. It may be a long shot, or sooner than we think, I know that here in Oz the treasurer is doing nothing but giving us gentle warnings that things are slowing, interest rates down, BHP announcing no new expansion on key mining sites and so on.



IF and I like the hypothetical (if) to not unfold, but if the debt issues hit austerity measures in those countries and this involves changes to taxation (company tax, specific deductibility) as it did in Greece then this could dry up rather suddenly.



I think motogp (unlike WSBK) has its eggs all in one basket, and that by getting Caramels grubby little fingers on that basket (the WSBK one) he can create a safety net for a dumber motogp series AND now remove the competition by controlling how level the playing field is between the two.



He might just prove me wrong by really kicking the WSBK series along. I'm always prepared to bet a few beers on that though. In another thread someone (birdman?) called it MotoSpainVR or something like that. Getting back to my point, Casey Stoner will never really fit into a MotoSpainVR business plan, however the business plan doesn't really include me or us down here.



I'm actually pretty close to you and I often ride down through Numinbah and Murwillumbah on by bike (bycycle not motor). Keep your eyes out, you will also often see a former Aust WSB world champion and MotoGP winner floating around the same track on a bike also.

One of the big problems in Spain, is the collapse of the employment structure, particularly in the South. Officially Spain has approx. 25% unemployment and close to 50% of males under 25 are unemployed. This puts a huge strain on the country.

In reality, the real situation is nothing like this, with a huge proportion of work being undeclared, under the table, while people still claiming benefits . The problem though is reduced tax income and higher unemployment benefits creating massive strain on the country.

Austerity measures in Greece reduce money in the economy. Less money going around, less VAT, less income tax, and more likelyhood for people to do exactly as they are in Spain. The problem for the Government gets worse not better, and they turn to the only reliable source of income, big business who cannot get around government regulations........

They need complete economic reform.

I won't even start on the incompetent idiots in government in Australia, and the corrupt dealings with the mining industry (could go on for pages).

None of any of which has anything to do with Stoner ruining the sport.



As I see it, Stoner is a simple guy, who simply wants to race bikes, and be the best. He's not interested in the money, the fame, corporate sponsorship, or the political ........ that surrounds any sport and favoritism of all things Spanish and Italian. He has finally spat the dummy, and packed up to go home. In doing so, giving up on his biggest goal, to match the number of wins of his idol, Mick Doohan.

He hasn't ruined the sport, he's simply a square peg that does not fit in a round hole. Because he has been outspoken and said exactly what he thinks, to whoever he wants, he has come under a lot of critisism. He has however bitten the hand that feeds him.

Would the situation be treated differently if it was Rossi or Lorenzo saying the same things, probably, but neither of them would be silly enough to be so outspoken, because their motivations are different.



No question the sport is hugely popular in Spain and Italy, but its needs to become more mainstream around the world. There is huge interest in bike racing in Asia, and South America, but very little effort made in these areas. I think DORNA should appoint a Board of Directors to manage each of MotoGP and WSB, with the board made up of reps from different areas of the world, and including some business leaders and former riders. The Board to manage the direction, tech regulations, and business dealings of the sport. Frankly, the model used with V8Supercars in Aust is not bad, where 75% of the series is owned by the teams that hold the racing licenses, and 25% owned by the managing company.

Ezy can stay on as a figure head if his ego desires, but the structure needs to change somehow.
 

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