Sorry guys dont mean to be rude but I'm not feeling up to reading 10 pages so can someone tell me as this is new news to me, is this for real?
Bombshell!! Casey Stoner signs with Honda!
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Rumoured in the italian bike racing press but denied by suppo/honda, whilst not dismissing the future possibility .
Happy to try to explain away anyway
Basically, for me MD existed in what I term a golden era of the sport, where we had multiple people capable of winning races on what even today are considered the most cantankerous beasts of the sport. Yet despite this level of competition he was able to show his worth and earn stripes against legends (Lawson, Rainey etc) whilst often beating them at their own game.
Then of course came Assen where he had the accident and was then butchered by the surgeon whilst 50 pdd points in front at the time (if I recall correctly Rainey was also injured). But did he give up or make excuses, nope as he instead turned up and was physically lifed onto the motorcycle to try to earn the points necessary to get him the title, failing by a few small points.
But, does that make him THE legend in my eyes - no way but it is part of the legend.
Nope, the legend of MD is the way he raced and rode the motorcycle. He did not play games but got out there and rang the neck of the 500 to dominate the field (a field you insinuate may be lesser but none the less - he dominated) and often decimated the opposition both on the track and at times mentally by his sheer guts and will. He was a steely ....... who daren't be crossed when at the track in race mode or even when near the track - he was totally focussed and business like in what was needed and he took no prisoners. He had an approach that for me showed a true champion and whilst that would be unacceptable today for many people, he was then and remains today a benchmark of the sport.
His results speak for themselves, numerous race wins and placings as well as 5 championships - need there be question?
As or Stoner he is in the early stages of his career and whilst he has numerous race wins and a single championship, this does not make him a legend of the sport. He is yet to show longevity of career, or consistency of results across many years and whilst his MotoGP results have been second to only Rossi I feel that to annoint Stoner a legend at this stage is presumptuous and more borne from hope than reality.
Of course, one does not know how his career will develop and whilst I genuinely hope he maintains to be one of the top riders I personally have a small thought that CS will likely walk away well before his time. Hope I am wrong with that thought as I do believe that he is a genuine top sport, but not a legend ......................... yet (time will tell).
As an aside, I personally feel that many are to quick to annoint someone as a 'legend' or 'hero' as to me the term demeans those truly deserving of such an honorous title.
Gaz
Thats what you call a good post,well said matey.
Great synthesis of 10 pages in less than a line… Can I add: Same old, same old!
Man, we need racing!
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Happy to try to explain away anyway
Basically, for me MD existed in what I term a golden era of the sport, where we had multiple people capable of winning races on what even today are considered the most cantankerous beasts of the sport. Yet despite this level of competition he was able to show his worth and earn stripes against legends (Lawson, Rainey etc) whilst often beating them at their own game.
Then of course came Assen where he had the accident and was then butchered by the surgeon whilst 50 pdd points in front at the time (if I recall correctly Rainey was also injured). But did he give up or make excuses, nope as he instead turned up and was physically lifed onto the motorcycle to try to earn the points necessary to get him the title, failing by a few small points.
But, does that make him THE legend in my eyes - no way but it is part of the legend.
Nope, the legend of MD is the way he raced and rode the motorcycle. He did not play games but got out there and rang the neck of the 500 to dominate the field (a field you insinuate may be lesser but none the less - he dominated) and often decimated the opposition both on the track and at times mentally by his sheer guts and will. He was a steely ....... who daren't be crossed when at the track in race mode or even when near the track - he was totally focussed and business like in what was needed and he took no prisoners. He had an approach that for me showed a true champion and whilst that would be unacceptable today for many people, he was then and remains today a benchmark of the sport.
His results speak for themselves, numerous race wins and placings as well as 5 championships - need there be question?
As or Stoner he is in the early stages of his career and whilst he has numerous race wins and a single championship, this does not make him a legend of the sport. He is yet to show longevity of career, or consistency of results across many years and whilst his MotoGP results have been second to only Rossi I feel that to annoint Stoner a legend at this stage is presumptuous and more borne from hope than reality.
Of course, one does not know how his career will develop and whilst I genuinely hope he maintains to be one of the top riders I personally have a small thought that CS will likely walk away well before his time. Hope I am wrong with that thought as I do believe that he is a genuine top sport, but not a legend ......................... yet (time will tell).
As an aside, I personally feel that many are to quick to annoint someone as a 'legend' or 'hero' as to me the term demeans those truly deserving of such an honorous title.
Gaz
No one was calling for legendary status at the moment, I was just amused by the quote, that no matter what Casey does in his career, he will not be held in the same regard as Doohan. As of now, Casey has much better stats than Doohan at the same stage of their careers. Casey is not the steely mans man that Doohan is or was, but neither is Rossi, and some speculate that he [Rossi] would hold one in his mouth and let you rock your hips back and forth. Besides winning a .... load of races, what makes Rossi a legend?. Its funny that some of the qualities you find legendary in Doohan, you will find in Stoner also
He did not play games
rang the neck of his steed
often decimated the opposition
totally focused and business like
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You should visit the "last film you watched" thread more often.
Hey compa if you want a good laugh, scroll down to the "Rickyisms" part of the quotes page. I just read it and had a great laugh. (Much more amusing than talking about Stoner)
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Hey compa if you want a good laugh, scroll down to the "Rickyisms" part of the quotes page. I just read it and had a great laugh. (Much more amusing than talking about Stoner)
Hey if you really want to indulge yourself in "Rickyisms" take a trip to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick or Newfoundland... There are real-life Rickys everywhere (plop your ... on a barstool and there's an 80% chance Ricky'll be sittin' right beside you) and the riding is most excellent!!
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And sure mick played games, he used the screamer when no one else would, he used to whine and bleat people were following him on the track to get a tow (criv) .... mcn used to do a weekly cartoon of micks whinning. This whinning was part of his games. .... he used to whine even more when he won, what's that if it aint games ?
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I wonder about you sometime's
And sure mick played games, he used the screamer when no one else would, he used to whine and bleat people were following him on the track to get a tow (criv) .... mcn used to do a weekly cartoon of micks whinning. This whinning was part of his games. .... he used to whine even more when he won, what's that if it aint games ?
Some people are just natural whiners.
Some people are just natural whiners.
Well i think Mick Doohan was like Rossi, Lorenzo and stoner all in one
Anyone out there got some old mcn's with the Doohan Sprokett? cartoons they could scan ??
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Brilliant suggestion, because I've scoured the internet for the notorious Doohan ones and they're impossible to find so the only way would be through back issues of MCN - or Bike Magazine which they also featured in from time to time.
Here's some contempory'ish' ones. Wait for the Pedrosa 'toys out of the pram' one to come up...
Sprocket
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Here is what I wrote that so seems to have caused you angst..
He is not, and never will be the next or the equal of Doohan who for my mind has no peer in terms of total grit and/or ability from any Australian rider whom I have witnessed at the highest level (highest being GP level). For mine, Stoner is the opposite of MD in so many ways that to even offer a comparison is unfair to each as they are clearly from differing eras each of which has their own positives and negatives.
I guess we won't agree (and that is what forums are about) but I stand by my comments as it is a matter of opinion, I gather your differ - all good
Gaz
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Stoner will not be the equal of MD irrespective of whatever he does with his career .
I wouldnt say i was having an anxiety attack over it, just amused that someone can be so set on their opinion that even future events will not change it. For all we know, Stoner might lose a leg and come back and win a title with a prosthetic. Would that do it for ya?
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That's hilarious. Never seen that. I love it.
Question: Do the artist also take pot shots at Rossi or are they Boppers like most the moto-media? (Just judging from their Stoner pot shots).
Cartoons taking the piss out of our lord ?? don't be absurd.
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You asked, so let me continue your anxiety.
Nope - still not done.
Let me ask you this - will Lorenzo be another Rossi, or Spies another Rainey, or or or, we can go on and on.
Opinions are just that.
So my answer is to talk to me and raise it when Stoner achieves all that MD has done in the sport, or perhaps other legends like Lawson, Spencer, Rainey etc and then we can seriously compare but I will say again that CS will not be considered in the same regard irrespective of what he does. You may find it a ridiculous or even perhaps an unsupportable statement but it is my opinion and one I am comfortable with as MD is insurpassable from my perspective as a legend of the sport.
Stoner, well CS is CS and why does he even need to be compared?
Gaz
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