Stoner Retiring!
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.... Captain Obvious - like hindsight, you're 20/20...Not surprised is my wording ....... as I suspect many are ..... not ....
comeon you gotta admit that in retrospect it all comes clear ...
Yeah, sure... Howz that Spanish dominance thing worked out in the premier class over the last 50 years? Funny thing is MM when the wee Spaniards get to the big bikes they find out there are a lot of riders from a lot of nations that don't learn in CEV but can ride big boys bikes as well (if not better) as they can!! Its a crap shoot.
Spain has been developing wee Spaniards as you call them, in the last 10 years. With Dani at the beginning of the development. There are a few more on the way to GP. Marquez, Pol Espargaro, Rabat may be a candidate as well as Vinales and some other surprise will show up.
Italy wised up and have started grooming their youngsters as seen with Fenati and riding with FIM backing. (Federacion Italiana Motociclismo)
It's still a crap shoot, but Spain for the near future might be making the rules.
Italy wised up and have started grooming their youngsters as seen with Fenati and riding with FIM backing. (Federacion Italiana Motociclismo)
It's still a crap shoot, but Spain for the near future might be making the rules.
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Do you mean Alex Criville ? if so he was a 2 x wc. 125 1989 and 500 1999 so i wouldn't say it "didn't pan out"!
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if you count the 125 250 categories, Dani is a 3 time world champion. All he needs is a motogp title but when?? who knows???
No reason to discount criville at all. He won a premier class world championship, 1 more than most, and in several seasons when he didn't win was good enough to cause mick doohan serious annoyance.
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And didn't doohan moan
And didn't doohan moanMCN used to do a weekly cartoon (sprocket) i think ,devoted to Doohan's weekly winge. To be fair tho at the time i could see where Mick was coming from. Alex did follow a lot then go for the last corner mug. It's not just Gobert in this sport known for mugging people
Absolutely. But being close enough to go for a last corner mug on doohan in his pomp was not exactly easy.
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Exactly, and those nsr500's would bite you if you got it wrong. As Wayne Rainey said when schwantz won the title. " You have to be in it to win it and you have to stay on the bloody thing. deserved champion".
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Why the .... is the wrong guy retiring?
I just recently became a fan of the sport only to hear that the current "best" see's it as ....!
God what the .... had I gotten myself into.
I just recently became a fan of the sport only to hear that the current "best" see's it as ....!
God what the .... had I gotten myself into.
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I've been following this thread as much as anybody else, and despite many various opinions on the matter, Beef above has done the best to actually describe the reality of Casey's decision. Its an unemotional description. And certainly not hating. Its the simply truth in how Casey described his plight and the decision to move on. Beef isn't saying any of the things here that others are framing it to defend. He is not saying he is mentally weak or a loser for retiring. That many here don't like his description doesn't make it any less accurate. I'm not sure how this can even be debated, as Casey's words are there for all of us to read and are very clear. Those trying to interpret them are usually the ones reminding us that Casey says what he means. And to leave no doubt, Casey himself said this in the announcement, that is, affirming again that he doesn't lie. And I believe him.
My first reaction to Casey's announcement was first disbelief and shock (yes he had already mentioned he was not long for the sport, but nobody thought it would be this soon, nor did anybody expect the announcement to be yesterday). The stoic faces of everybody in the room shows that even the most insiders while having been prepped by his statements in years past that he would leave the sport early, people didn't actually really think the day would come this quick. My second reaction was to feel like he was being weak, arrogant, and a head-case, thats only after I had read the comments, especially when I focused on the parts where he is disgruntled with the CRTs. Then after watching the actual announcement in the press conference video, I felt a complexity of thoughts ranging from agreement with some of his statements while some disagreement, to anger, to some nods and shakes of my head, to pity. Its this last feeling that today I'm thinking about; as Casey confronted the media and the spectators in general about the lack of respect shown to the sport (which took balls). I don't agree with everything he said, as its fair and par for the course for people to have their differing opinions, which are valid; notwithstanding, He is also sadly correct in saying that the general purview when discussed in circles of the sport has had an element of taint and negativity regarding his character and accomplishments. Its this that Casey cites, along with the rules changes, that has caused him to decide (in his words) to retire. I have already said, that I can't really agree with him on the issue of rules changes being cause for retirement, but I can relate to him being tired of all the .... slung at his accomplishments which it appears has (in his words) taken its toll. I've started to understand a bit better why he was so quick to lash out at people thinking eveybody had become his enemy. It seems he had become bitter (as he basically admits this). Its perhaps under this hardening of his heart that he lashed out at Nicky, as he perhaps lost his sense of distinction (which is understandable considering what might have been Casey's frame of mind). The truth is, we are not all cut out to be in the lime light. Who is really trained to handle the savvy media that are more interested in getting a controversial sound bite with an interviewee willing to put his foot in his mouth.
For today, knowing he will be gone from the series will have me watching his performance on the track more intently.
(Don't get all giddy Neoboppers, I still think you guys are the worst part about Casey, even though he had no part in creating you crazy people.)
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I can assure you, the reply was meant to be witty. Well at least made me laugh old chap.
The problem is, most peeps take .... to heart around here. And the other problem is, you just can't see or hear the tone in which people type. For me, its usually smiling and laughing and casting out fishing lines.
Jumkie, you are a ...... ....... cnt suitcase ...... .... for brains and I can't stand you, your opinions and anything you stand for.
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Great post Jumkie
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Pretty much my point. Maybe that's what the timing of the announcement is about: he's been nursing a grudge about stuff for so long that now that he's made the doubters eat ...., he's accomplished his real goal and can finally walk away from a sport and the attendant media he's despised for a while.
The wonder is how the most successful recent rider can also be so emotionally fragile. I guess it's not too surprising -- when you start a sport early, you're not really being exposed to broadening experiences. Could be his home life is a happy one and he'll ride off into the sunset ... unless the chip on his shoulder never falls off and he starts to get the itch to "show them" one more time...
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It's simple for me. I am not a Casey fan, but the sport will be worse off without him. Love him or hate him, for me, he is a joy to watch. Simply awesome. I respect his decision, but the sport cannot afford to lose people with his undoubted talent. We lost a racer in Marco, now Casey.
Physical and mental fragility have all been thrown in his direction but jeez what a rider. Gutted really
Physical and mental fragility have all been thrown in his direction but jeez what a rider. Gutted really
Stoner retiring in his prime is a great loss for the sport. He is the undisputed king as things stand and I think it will take away from the show. In 2014 whoever wins it will be tainted with the thought that there is a farmer in Australia who probably could have whipped his butt.
He didn't like the direction the sport was heading and this isn't a desk job. There is no sense in risking your life for something you don't love. If he retires with 3WC's, and a body that works I think he will have accomplished everything he set out to do. He owes us nothing.
I have nothing but respect for the guy and wish he'd stick around. But he doesn't return my calls.
He didn't like the direction the sport was heading and this isn't a desk job. There is no sense in risking your life for something you don't love. If he retires with 3WC's, and a body that works I think he will have accomplished everything he set out to do. He owes us nothing.
I have nothing but respect for the guy and wish he'd stick around. But he doesn't return my calls.
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Well said Will,
I think pretty much the same.
Two big losses in consecutive years.
I sure hope this ain't the beginning of the end!
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