So... Stoner is back!!! In style.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think ducati's approach is completely different to rossi/yamaha in that preziosi designs the bike to be as fast as possible but as someone said elsewhere it needs to be ridden in a very specific fashion which only stoner has mastered, and that apart from his talent stoner has spent much more time on the bike particularly early on when there were far fewer test restrictions. I think ducati repeatedly getting rid of or failing to retain riders after only 1 year has also not been a good policy.
That makes quite a bit of sense. I'm quite interested to see if Hayden progresses much with the GP10. Not as in throughout the season, but straight away. If the GP10, with all his input into the GP9, is a noticeable improvement. Or if a new bike will develop new problems with limited testing. Regardless, having some stability in the team can only be a good thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 20 2009, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think ducati's approach is completely different to rossi/yamaha in that preziosi designs the bike to be as fast as possible but as someone said elsewhere it needs to be ridden in a very specific fashion which only stoner has mastered, and that apart from his talent stoner has spent much more time on the bike particularly early on when there were far fewer test restrictions. I think ducati repeatedly getting rid of or failing to retain riders after only 1 year has also not been a good policy.

The only rider the factory team has axed after one year was Melandri, and that was the best outcome for everyone concerned. He had just given up.
The Pramac team has had a few different riders but I think they make their own decisions on riders, and I think some of these have come in because they bring money.
I actually think Hayden will improve next year and will be where Colin Edwards is now, possibly challenging Pedrosa for 4th.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Oct 19 2009, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only rider the factory team has axed after one year was Melandri, and that was the best outcome for everyone concerned. He had just given up.
The Pramac team has had a few different riders but I think they make their own decisions on riders, and I think some of these have come in because they bring money.
I actually think Hayden will improve next year and will be where Colin Edwards is now, possibly challenging Pedrosa for 4th.
Although Capirossi spent five years with Ducati, he was only given one season on an 800cc Duc. In the 800cc era, no second rider has stayed on for consecutive seasons.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 20 2009, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Done for both you guys and based on pole lap of 1.30.341 excluding the first lap of course

Stoner cut 9 laps under 1.30.6 as below.
1.30.501 - 1.30.600 - 2 (laps 17 & 21)
1.30.401 - 1.30.500 - 2 (laps 5 &15)
1.30.341 - 1.30.400 - 2 (laps 4 & 14)
less than 1.30.341 - 3 (laps 3, 6 & 7)

Rossi cut 12 laps under 1.30.6 as below.
1.30.501 - 1.30.600 - 5 (laps 4, 9, 15, 16, 22)
1.30.401 - 1.30.500 - 4 (laps 3, 8, 14, 17)
1.30.341 - 1.30.400 - 0
less than 1.30.341 - 3 (laps 5, 6, 7)



EDIT:
As a further breakdown.

Stoner cut 22 laps in the 1.30 bracket compared to Rossi's 19 laps (excluding the first lap for both).



Gaz
cheers, faster than i thought but the point still stands about casey still being to hard on himself even when he wins.
one pedantic point. a 1.30.3 is a different planet to 1.30 .5

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2009, 04:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Although Capirossi spent five years with Ducati, he was only given one season on an 800cc Duc. In the 800cc era, no second rider has stayed on for consecutive seasons.
Melandri was a divorce with no contest from either party. But riders they discarded or made insufficient effort to keep after showing at least some potential (with assistance from the d'antin guy at times) are capirossi (biggest mistake), barros, guintoli and elias.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 19 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stoner can play the media too you know!







I don't think he can, I can't see what he would have to gain by saying that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 19 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did Hayden's race lap record get broken or did it still stand? (I'm too lazy to look it up, and I didn't really pay much attention to commentators and ...., I was busy hitting the wall after Nicky's off track incident--yes, I'm that shallow, FO).

Know how you felt on that one Jum,my house was full of unrepeatables such as $%%^^,(&&^^ and !"£$&&^%&.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 19 2009, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sliding was done corner to corner on the 990 brother
Time to bring em back!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh man, i just spat my beer all over the keyboard
Are you sure that was beer or a result of lookin at those Pinly Pages? LOL!!!

Interesting Stat. after PI. Stoner became the second most successful Aust. GP rider.

I was wondering when they will name a part of PI after him, but they don't do that till they retire do they?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think ducati's approach is completely different to rossi/yamaha in that preziosi designs the bike to be as fast as possible but as someone said elsewhere it needs to be ridden in a very specific fashion which only stoner has mastered, and that apart from his talent stoner has spent much more time on the bike particularly early on when there were far fewer test restrictions. I think ducati repeatedly getting rid of or failing to retain riders after only 1 year has also not been a good policy.

I think the best information on this subject was provided by Tom whatever-his-last-name-is who used to serve as one of the head engineers at KR and then Kawasaki. He said that the problem with the Ducati was that Ducati have basically created an electronic marvel but they have forsaken the "connection" between the throttle and the rear wheel. In other words, the bike doesn't instill much confidence in the rider and they are constantly required to do things that seem unnatural in order to extract maximum performance.

Since the rear wheel is part of the connection, perhaps the changes to the tires during the emergency meetings at the end of 2007 may have had some impact on the rideability of the bike. I seem to remember Stoner being absolutely livid at the beginning of 2008 after wiping the floor with the competition at Qatar.

The rumors suggested that Bridgestone had the best edge grip by far and in order to cut corner speeds the governing body may have mandated a spec profile in order to regulate the contact patch at full lean. If the GP7 engine delivered power rather violently in a way that made it incompatible with the new tires, Ducati would have needed to change the engine and the mapping to improve the "connection".

Casey says that electronics are still the current limitation of the bike, perhaps they still haven't figured out how to create a powerful engine that delivers smooth power to the rear wheel without massive interference from the electronics?

is CS gonna sport the "3" next year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 22 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey says that electronics are still the current limitation of the bike, perhaps they still haven't figured out how to create a powerful engine that delivers smooth power to the rear wheel without massive interference from the electronics?
Lex, did you notice during the last race, at 16 laps to go, the coverage showed the throttle meter? Did you notice that Rossi went to full throttle several times abruptly while Stoner feathered it? Check it out. Tell me what you think. I think this will blow a hole in BabelFishy's (Talpa's & Co) idea about who actually is using the "most" TC.

V, if you read this, post up some shots. I know you like pictures to make your point. I'd be interested to read the explanation between the visual discrepancy, Rossi abruptly going to full throttle while Stoner feathers it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 22 2009, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex, did you notice during the last race, at 16 laps to go, the coverage showed the throttle meter? Did you notice that Rossi went to full throttle several times abruptly while Stoner feathered it? Check it out. Tell me what you think. I think this will blow a hole in BabelFishy's (Talpa's & Co) idea about who actually is using the "most" TC.

V, if you read this, post up some shots. I know you like pictures to make your point. I'd be interested to read the explanation between the visual discrepancy, Rossi abruptly going to full throttle while Stoner feathers it.
I noticed it but thought we, as a forum, decided that the telemetry on the MotoGP feed was not reliable/accurate enough to trust.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 23 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I noticed it but thought we, as a forum, decided that the telemetry on the MotoGP feed was not reliable/accurate enough to trust.


Well not unless you could accompany it with some fairytale about how the "telemetry" showed Rossi to be the next reincarnation of Britney Spears we don't ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 22 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex, did you notice during the last race, at 16 laps to go, the coverage showed the throttle meter? Did you notice that Rossi went to full throttle several times abruptly while Stoner feathered it? Check it out. Tell me what you think. I think this will blow a hole in BabelFishy's (Talpa's & Co) idea about who actually is using the "most" TC.

V, if you read this, post up some shots. I know you like pictures to make your point. I'd be interested to read the explanation between the visual discrepancy, Rossi abruptly going to full throttle while Stoner feathers it.

Yeah, I did notice that. The difference in their lines was very different too.

Whatever he's got, it's certainly not attributable to good electronics. He seems to be getting better as he goes along. PI was a really mature ride by him. He kept Vale behind him the whole way. He didn't try to set any world land speed records, he just pulled away when it mattered.