So... Stoner is back!!! In style.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 19 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi never said anything negative about Lorenzo's intelligence. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact. You could be more generous and acknowledge my right to my own judgements, without having to follow a "cult" to form them

Well you might want to re-read my post, I said YOU called Lorenzo's intelligence into question. I'm saying your following Rossi's lead of being disgruntled with his teammate. BTW, I doubt we will be hearing much negativity from him now that he's sealed another title. Goes to show you he doesn't handle pressure that well and goes off on a media blizz.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"Actively vilifying"... c'mon. You never resented all the many things said about poor Pedrosa like this, did you. That's just your likes and dislikes against mine, nothing more!
Yes J4rno, but Peders deserves it. UNLIKE Lorenzo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fred00 @ Oct 19 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A class apart? I seem to remember Rossi running the same pace all race long. Rossi also set the fastest lap of the race.
As Toby and Jules, and indeed, a post race Vale himself pointed out, he was at 100% - riding on the limit for the entire race. To push Valentino to that level at Phillip Island - on that M1 is something very, very special. I would also add, as many people were prone to pointing out in '07 that the Ducati was the superior package, the M1 IS the factory bike to be on. What Casey has achieved on that Desmo' is truly astonishing, and it's great to see him back at in full form. Sepang will be fascinating, Valentino and his crew will raise the bar again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 19 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How bout man!!!! I haven't seen a slide like that since ohhhhhhh the 990's! Hell yeah Stoner good job!
+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 19 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1
so you've gone for an out of court settlement with rockgod then?



and i agree with what you said in the previous post.would also like to add just where the duke is in the pecking order considering that ducati have been without stoners input for a long chunk of bike testing/racing time. it is something quite special indeed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 19 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so you've gone for an out of court settlement with rockgod then?


I think that visit to legalzoom has paid off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 19 2009, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so you've gone for an out of court settlement with rockgod then?


oh man, i just spat my beer all over the keyboard

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He also said he felt he should have run 1.30's every lap. I think that was the pole time ive never known a rider do every race lap equal to a pole lap
before some gimp chimes in, i know they no longer have qualis, but they do have super soft.

Not really. They only have super soft if that is one of the two dry-tires brought to that race.
At Long Island they had hard and extra hard. Q were done on hard.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 20 2009, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He also said he felt he should have run 1.30's every lap. I think that was the pole time ive never known a rider do every race lap equal to a pole lap
before some gimp chimes in, i know they no longer have qualis, but they do have super soft.

No super soft. Hard and Extra Hard at PI.
Couple of the riders said there was basically no difference in times between the two - the Extra Hard just took longer to heat up, and lasted a little better.
I think Stoner and Rossi actually did most of their qualifying on the Extra Hard.

Stoners pole lap was 1:30.341
Both Rossi and Stoner did a lot of sub pole laps during the race, and there were a lot more that were very close to the pole time.
Without counting them, I would say that more than half the laps were within 0.2 of the pole time, and Rossi's fastest race lap was 0.25 faster than pole.

I would say that both these guys were running qualifying laps for the first 8 - 9 laps and the last 4 - 5. No one else was anywhere near them, Pedro dropped close to a second a lap on average, and his fastest was stil 0.7 slower.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Oct 19 2009, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoners pole lap was 1:30.341
Did Hayden's race lap record get broken or did it still stand? (I'm too lazy to look it up, and I didn't really pay much attention to commentators and ...., I was busy hitting the wall after Nicky's off track incident--yes, I'm that shallow, FO).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 19 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did Hayden's race lap record get broken or did it still stand? (I'm too lazy to look it up, and I didn't really pay much attention to commentators and ...., I was busy hitting the wall after Nicky's off track incident--yes, I'm that shallow, FO).
It stood.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 19 2009, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you might want to re-read my post, I said YOU called Lorenzo's intelligence into question. I'm saying your following Rossi's lead of being disgruntled with his teammate. BTW, I doubt we will be hearing much negativity from him now that he's sealed another title. Goes to show you he doesn't handle pressure that well and goes off on a media blizz.


Yes J4rno, but Peders deserves it. UNLIKE Lorenzo.

You see, it's just likes and dislikes

...BTW, what a pity Rossi can't handle the pressure of competition, poor guy. Figure if he only could... He could even win a title or two

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Oct 19 2009, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not really. They only have super soft if that is one of the two dry-tires brought to that race.
At Long Island they had hard and extra hard. Q were done on hard.
long island ?? the point is no rider puts in race lap times equal to pole times, maybe the odd one but not most.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Oct 19 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No super soft. Hard and Extra Hard at PI.
Couple of the riders said there was basically no difference in times between the two - the Extra Hard just took longer to heat up, and lasted a little better.
I think Stoner and Rossi actually did most of their qualifying on the Extra Hard.

Stoners pole lap was 1:30.341
Both Rossi and Stoner did a lot of sub pole laps during the race, and there were a lot more that were very close to the pole time.
Without counting them, I would say that more than half the laps were within 0.2 of the pole time, and Rossi's fastest race lap was 0.25 faster than pole.

I would say that both these guys were running qualifying laps for the first 8 - 9 laps and the last 4 - 5. No one else was anywhere near them, Pedro dropped close to a second a lap on average, and his fastest was stil 0.7 slower.
i will have to look for the lap time sheet. i thought they were around the 1.31 -1.32 up front and at 1.34 towards the back. i think stoner being disappointed every race lap was not 1.30 is a very tall order and maybe signs that he could end up ill again if he doesn't learn to be satisfied. just my opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 19 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did Hayden's race lap record get broken or did it still stand? (I'm too lazy to look it up, and I didn't really pay much attention to commentators and ...., I was busy hitting the wall after Nicky's off track incident--yes, I'm that shallow, FO).
wasn't that in the 1.28's ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 19 2009, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so you've gone for an out of court settlement with rockgod then?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i will have to look for the lap time sheet. i thought they were around the 1.31 -1.32 up front and at 1.34 towards the back. i think stoner being disappointed every race lap was not 1.30 is a very tall order and maybe signs that he could end up ill again if he doesn't learn to be satisfied. just my opinion.
Most of the laps from first 2 were into mid 1.30's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 19 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How bout man!!!! I haven't seen a slide like that since ohhhhhhh the 990's! Hell yeah Stoner good job!


sliding was done corner to corner on the 990 brother

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wasn't that in the 1.28's ??
The circuit record at Phillip Island is 1'30.059 set by Nicky Hayden. Stoner's pole time last year was in the 1.28s. Stoner did 22 laps in the 1.30s.

[and i agree with what you said in the previous post.would also like to add just where the duke is in the pecking order considering that ducati have been without stoners input for a long chunk of bike testing/racing time. it is something quite special indeed.
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This is a very good point. It has been lost amidst all the rampant speculation about other matters but stoner has been saying from the start of this year that the bike was fast enough and perhaps as he usually does he was speaking the plain truth. I was a bit surprised that he was immediately competitive even apart from physical issues and as you say this says something about the bike. The other factor which does not seem to have garnered any attention is that livio suppo in the post-race ducati press release specifically thanked nicky hayden for his development work saying that the bike had improved and it was down to nicky.

I think ducati's approach is completely different to rossi/yamaha in that preziosi designs the bike to be as fast as possible but as someone said elsewhere it needs to be ridden in a very specific fashion which only stoner has mastered, and that apart from his talent stoner has spent much more time on the bike particularly early on when there were far fewer test restrictions. I think ducati repeatedly getting rid of or failing to retain riders after only 1 year has also not been a good policy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Oct 19 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoners pole lap was 1:30.341
Both Rossi and Stoner did a lot of sub pole laps during the race, and there were a lot more that were very close to the pole time.
Without counting them, I would say that more than half the laps were within 0.2 of the pole time, and Rossi's fastest race lap was 0.25 faster than pole.

I would say that both these guys were running qualifying laps for the first 8 - 9 laps and the last 4 - 5. No one else was anywhere near them, Pedro dropped close to a second a lap on average, and his fastest was stil 0.7 slower.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>long island ?? the point is no rider puts in race lap times equal to pole times, maybe the odd one but not most.

Done for both you guys and based on pole lap of 1.30.341 excluding the first lap of course

Stoner cut 9 laps under 1.30.6 as below.
1.30.501 - 1.30.600 - 2 (laps 17 & 21)
1.30.401 - 1.30.500 - 2 (laps 5 &15)
1.30.341 - 1.30.400 - 2 (laps 4 & 14)
less than 1.30.341 - 3 (laps 3, 6 & 7)

Rossi cut 12 laps under 1.30.6 as below.
1.30.501 - 1.30.600 - 5 (laps 4, 9, 15, 16, 22)
1.30.401 - 1.30.500 - 4 (laps 3, 8, 14, 17)
1.30.341 - 1.30.400 - 0
less than 1.30.341 - 3 (laps 5, 6, 7)



EDIT:
As a further breakdown.

Stoner cut 22 laps in the 1.30 bracket compared to Rossi's 19 laps (excluding the first lap for both).



Gaz