Ducati 2010 season

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone know what happened to Stoner on the warm up lap?

kinda smacked of an engine seize to me?

But I guess we will never hear if that is the case?

its called Stoner "....... up"

Or maybe being Supos last day..he left the TC off?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 9 2009, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think wander wonders about exactly what illness was it? I am not sure I've heard the official final diagnose of precisely which illness either, do you have a link directly from Stoner or Ducati's website? Perhaps it can help other Riders (Sportsmen) to prevent such illness in the future.



This is 'Not' unclear at all. (Nor about the last win from Pedrosa, second for Rossi and third for Lorenzo either, the usual).
It is clear that his illness was caused by the devastating wit and erudition of rossi fans on internet sites, leading to him being struck down by the resultant blinding insight into his obvious shortcomings. This may well also explain his fall on the warm up lap. His management had obviously managed to keep him uninformed earlier in the week-end, but knowing that rossi fans are never wrong probably eventually felt compelled to tell him the prevailing view among them that even having the race let alone winning it was completely pointless, hence him deciding not to bother even completing the warm-up lap.

No excuses from him either, oddly for such a whinger.

Drier than the Gobi - and as usual - spot on. Sadly the post is too subtle for most
of Rossi-elect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 9 2009, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is clear that his illness was caused by the devastating wit and erudition of rossi fans on internet sites, leading to him being struck down by the resultant blinding insight into his obvious shortcomings. This may well also explain his fall on the warm up lap. His management had obviously managed to keep him uninformed earlier in the week-end, but knowing that rossi fans are never wrong probably eventually felt compelled to tell him the prevailing view among them that even having the race let alone winning it was completely pointless, hence him deciding not to bother even completing the warm-up lap.

No excuses from him either, oddly for such a whinger.

I would just like to see the ‘Official’ final diagnose of precisely which illness was it. That’s what is done generally with sicknesses so that it can be treated, spread the knowledge and prevent others from getting it. Do not take it personally. I still have no official link, so it will prevail as unclear. If not, where is the answer please?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 9 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Drier than the Gobi - and as usual - spot on. Sadly the post is too subtle for most
of Rossi-elect.

Whatever!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 9 2009, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would just like to see the ‘Official’ final diagnose of precisely which illness was it. That’s what is done generally with sicknesses so that it can be treated, spread the knowledge and prevent others from getting it. Do not take it personally. I still have no official link, so it will prevail as unclear. If not, where is the answer please?



Whatever!


And thats all I got to say about that.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 9 2009, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would just like to see the ‘Official’ final diagnose of precisely which illness was it. That’s what is done generally with sicknesses so that it can be treated, spread the knowledge and prevent others from getting it. Do not take it personally. I still have no official link, so it will prevail as unclear. If not, where is the answer please?

The whole Fox News-style drama/debate over Stoner's illness is
a little too reminiscent of of the whole "Birther's Movement".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 9 2009, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sitting at Siberia I couldn't hear any of that over

(a) motorcycles (lots of them)
(b ) my own uncontrollable shivering.

Suffice to say I think it has been discussed enough to be an "established" strongly supported rumour.

I was sitting at Siberia at this years gp, being my 5th year going down the island i was well prepared weather wise.
Better get out my copy Australian Motor cycle news and have a read.......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 9 2009, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would just like to see the ‘Official’ final diagnose of precisely which illness was it. That’s what is done generally with sicknesses so that it can be treated, spread the knowledge and prevent others from getting it. Do not take it personally. I still have no official link, so it will prevail as unclear. If not, where is the answer please?



Whatever!

Here's the official answer......I hope you can deal with the insecurity it might give you, but medicine is not a perfect science. 40% of abdominal pain in the Emergency Department is never diagnosed...that's official. Syncope (passing out) is very often never figured out upon discharge from the hospital. That's official. Maybe a doctor has never been honest with you, well here you go, I'll be honest with you. We don't always ....... know why people get sick or get better. Look in a medical text book from just 40 years ago, we had no idea that Shingles (a viral disease characterized by a painful skin rash with blisters) was a re-emergence of the chicken pox virus. Now we know, but guess what, 40 years ago we did not have an Official reason for a shingles out break. Isn't that mind-blowing??? An other example, Bell's palsy, where one's face becomes paralyzed on one side. We think it's virally mediated, in fact we think it might be a herpes virus too, but guess what, only some people get better on anti-herpes meds.........Why is that?? I CANT OFFICIALLY TELL YOU. Neither can the Mayo clinic, or Harvard's best virologists. So, keep waiting for the Official final diagnosis as to what made Casey sick. Are you getting the picture now,.....you won't get it. Because we simply don't know. Medicine is not a science, to use a cliche, it's not black and white. It's an art that's based in science but hinges on biochemical mechanisms which are so complex and varied that it will never be black and white. Sorry to disappoint you.....do not take it personally.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 9 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That’s what is done generally with sicknesses so that it can be treated, spread the knowledge and prevent others from getting it.
Interesting. Where is this generally done, and does it apply to all illnesses suffered by anyone?. Sounds like it would involve rather a lot of paper-work.

I am also interested to hear about the concept of official diagnoses, not one that I am familiar with. I presume it refers to a diagnosis that fits with your preconceived notions and by a medical authority vetted and approved by an official rossi fan club.

I don't know if the scaphoid problem last year qualified as an official fracture, since clinica mobile agreed with the diagnosis if not the treatment, but you guys chose to disbelieve it anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 9 2009, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. Where is this generally done, and does it apply to all illnesses suffered by anyone?. Sounds like it would involve rather a lot of paper-work.

I am also interested to hear about the concept of official diagnoses, not one that I am familiar with. I presume it refers to a diagnosis that fits with your preconceived notions and by a medical authority vetted and approved by an official rossi fan club.

I don't know if the scaphoid problem last year qualified as an official fracture, since clinica mobile agreed with the diagnosis if not the treatment, but you guys chose to disbelieve it anyway.


I just blew coke out of my nose!

That's an instant classic. Well played sir!

Does anyone have anything in print (other than speculation) regarding what changes Ducati is making to the GP10? I've heard about changes to the firing order etc but what about the chassis?

Those of you in Aus and Europe have much better racing press than we have on this side of the pond. It can be difficult to find this stuff.

GPone.com reports about the new GP10:

New firing order to improve grip
New rear part of the frame
New fork

A picture is here:
http://www.gpone.com/news/News.asp?NNews=5878

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 10 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am also interested to hear about the concept of official diagnoses, not one that I am familiar with. I presume it refers to a diagnosis that fits with your preconceived notions and by a medical authority vetted and approved by an official rossi fan club.




ah at last!! some "gumption Michael! well said!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 9 2009, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. Where is this generally done, and does it apply to all illnesses suffered by anyone?. Sounds like it would involve rather a lot of paper-work.

I am also interested to hear about the concept of official diagnoses, not one that I am familiar with. I presume it refers to a diagnosis that fits with your preconceived notions and by a medical authority vetted and approved by an official rossi fan club.

I don't know if the scaphoid problem last year qualified as an official fracture, since clinica mobile agreed with the diagnosis if not the treatment, but you guys chose to disbelieve it anyway.

No Michael, the fracture was diagnosed by a doctor. Where is the link to a doctors diagnose of Stoner's 'Mystery' illness? I've read a lot of opinions in the Forum, yet not a link straight to the doctors diagnose who treated it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Nov 9 2009, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here's the official answer......I hope you can deal with the insecurity it might give you, but medicine is not a perfect science. 40% of abdominal pain in the Emergency Department is never diagnosed...that's official. Syncope (passing out) is very often never figured out upon discharge from the hospital. That's official. Maybe a doctor has never been honest with you, well here you go, I'll be honest with you. We don't always ....... know why people get sick or get better. Look in a medical text book from just 40 years ago, we had no idea that Shingles (a viral disease characterized by a painful skin rash with blisters) was a re-emergence of the chicken pox virus. Now we know, but guess what, 40 years ago we did not have an Official reason for a shingles out break. Isn't that mind-blowing??? An other example, Bell's palsy, where one's face becomes paralyzed on one side. We think it's virally mediated, in fact we think it might be a herpes virus too, but guess what, only some people get better on anti-herpes meds.........Why is that?? I CANT OFFICIALLY TELL YOU. Neither can the Mayo clinic, or Harvard's best virologists. So, keep waiting for the Official final diagnosis as to what made Casey sick. Are you getting the picture now,.....you won't get it. Because we simply don't know. Medicine is not a science, to use a cliche, it's not black and white. It's an art that's based in science but hinges on biochemical mechanisms which are so complex and varied that it will never be black and white. Sorry to disappoint you.....do not take it personally.

Duc, it is far from dissapointing, in fact I take your opinion as official as it can get, thanks for the honesty mate. There is no f´en answer then, I can dig that. Which takes us to a circle leaving it unclear, it is not such a big deal to not know, just don't rush bashing who said 'unclear' please.

Not taken personally at all mate, thanks again.

Added Note: I know you were not the one that bashed the word 'unclear' first of all.

Here is the quote to what I just meant one post before:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Nov 9 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unclear??? The guy was sick and couldn't race. He took 3 races off to recover. He recovered and came back and won 2 races and finished 2nd in the other. What is so unclear about that?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Nov 9 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here's the official answer......I hope you can deal with the insecurity it might give you, but medicine is not a perfect science. 40% of abdominal pain in the Emergency Department is never diagnosed...that's official. Syncope (passing out) is very often never figured out upon discharge from the hospital. That's official. Maybe a doctor has never been honest with you, well here you go, I'll be honest with you. We don't always ....... know why people get sick or get better. Look in a medical text book from just 40 years ago, we had no idea that Shingles (a viral disease characterized by a painful skin rash with blisters) was a re-emergence of the chicken pox virus. Now we know, but guess what, 40 years ago we did not have an Official reason for a shingles out break. Isn't that mind-blowing??? An other example, Bell's palsy, where one's face becomes paralyzed on one side. We think it's virally mediated, in fact we think it might be a herpes virus too, but guess what, only some people get better on anti-herpes meds.........Why is that?? I CANT OFFICIALLY TELL YOU. Neither can the Mayo clinic, or Harvard's best virologists. So, keep waiting for the Official final diagnosis as to what made Casey sick. Are you getting the picture now,.....you won't get it. Because we simply don't know. Medicine is not a science, to use a cliche, it's not black and white. It's an art that's based in science but hinges on biochemical mechanisms which are so complex and varied that it will never be black and white. Sorry to disappoint you.....do not take it personally.
Absolutely true.

You are doubtless also disconcerted to learn that you wasted considerable time and effort in undertaking a medical degree and post-graduate training when you could have just waited until valentino's racing career and become a fan of his.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here is the quote to what I just meant one post before:
QUOTE (TP70 @ Nov 9 2009, 01:45 AM)
Unclear??? The guy was sick and couldn't race. He took 3 races off to recover. He recovered and came back and won 2 races and finished 2nd in the other. What is so unclear about that?

When a rider fractures their bone (any one take your pic) do we get a full diagnosis about what type of fracture it is, how severe it is etc etc or do we just get " rider x fractured their leg"? No. Well I would say this is "unclear" then if what has been revealed about Stoners illness is also "unclear".

Maybe they only got a slight hairline fracture that can't even be seen on an x-ray. When Rossi cut his leg on the glass table early in the season, I don't recall hearing how many stitches he got nor did I see a picture of the wound. For all I know he may have cut his leg shaving! I am definitely "unclear" about the extent of that injury.

From now on I want to know what type of fracture it is, I want to see a full set of x-rays in fact I want to be there at the f'ing surgery or else it will now be deemed to be an "unclear" injury/illness and until all this is produced then the rider will be deemed to be chucking a sickie!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Nov 9 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here's the official answer......I hope you can deal with the insecurity it might give you, but medicine is not a perfect science. 40% of abdominal pain in the Emergency Department is never diagnosed...that's official. Syncope (passing out) is very often never figured out upon discharge from the hospital. That's official. Maybe a doctor has never been honest with you, well here you go, I'll be honest with you. We don't always ....... know why people get sick or get better. Look in a medical text book from just 40 years ago, we had no idea that Shingles (a viral disease characterized by a painful skin rash with blisters) was a re-emergence of the chicken pox virus. Now we know, but guess what, 40 years ago we did not have an Official reason for a shingles out break. Isn't that mind-blowing??? An other example, Bell's palsy, where one's face becomes paralyzed on one side. We think it's virally mediated, in fact we think it might be a herpes virus too, but guess what, only some people get better on anti-herpes meds.........Why is that?? I CANT OFFICIALLY TELL YOU. Neither can the Mayo clinic, or Harv ard's best virologists. So, keep waiting for the Official final diagnosis as to what made Casey sick. Are you getting the picture now,.....you won't get it. Because we simply don't know. Medicine is not a science, to use a cliche, it's not black and white. It's an art that's based in science but hinges on biochemical mechanisms which are so complex and varied that it will never be black and white. Sorry to disappoint you.....do not take it personally.

Wow, Casey had abdominal pain, shingles, chicken pox, bells palsy and herpes? No wonder the poor sod syncope'd on the warmup lap!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 9 2009, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely true.

You are doubtless also disconcerted to learn that you wasted considerable time and effort in undertaking a medical degree and post-graduate training when you could have just waited until valentino's racing career and become a fan of his.

Devastated Michael, devastated. The heartache was like loosing a family member. Though I can still jump on the Ben Bandwagon, right? That way I figure I could just skip law school and label myself Perry F'ing Mason.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Nov 9 2009, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When a rider fractures their bone (any one take your pic) do we get a full diagnosis about what type of fracture it is, how severe it is etc etc or do we just get " rider x fractured their leg"? No. Well I would say this is "unclear" then if what has been revealed about Stoners illness is also "unclear".

Maybe they only got a slight hairline fracture that can't even be seen on an x-ray. When Rossi cut his leg on the glass table early in the season, I don't recall hearing how many stitches he got nor did I see a picture of the wound. For all I know he may have cut his leg shaving! I am definitely "unclear" about the extent of that injury.

From now on I want to know what type of fracture it is, I want to see a full set of x-rays in fact I want to be there at the f'ing surgery or else it will now be deemed to be an "unclear" injury/illness and until all this is produced then the rider will be deemed to be chucking a sickie!

All of them which are unclear. I wouldn't be argueing if anybody said 'unclear' information about any case of a Rider, and then go and tell them: "What is 'unclear' about that?" Which is the point in the first place.