<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 12 2009, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>TP said I never give facts to support my argument (which is rubbish), so I gave him some more, whats wrong with that? I believe its important to remind some people of the actual Stats to back up any opinion or argument. Especially fans of Casey Stoner it seems
Your facts actually support his argument rather than any argument you decided you were making in retrospect after reading his post. He acknowledges rossi's greatness, something so obvious to everyone it is in no need of proof, but objected to you denigrating stoner which is perhaps not unusual in a stoner fan; evidence supporting rossi's greatness oddly to we biased stoner fans does not prove that stoner has no talent or has achieved nothing. It does not even preclude him being outstandingly good, particularly if rossi is the greatest, which few on here would argue against. The logical extension of your position would seem to be for rossi to do 4 or 5 race distance solo rides on each of the different bikes, and after ascertaining the bike on which he finished most quickly for you to then debate which rossi was the best, if even a rider who has won twenty races against him is so completely unworthy.
TP70 was I think also arguing that you had produced no evidence that you were speaking for many australian fans who despise stoner, and stated that you were not speaking for him at least, something of which he could conceivably be reasonably sure without looking for further evidence. There also does not seem to be a flood of australian posters on here supporting you. I am still waiting for evidence for your statement early in your posting career that valentino was widely denigrated in australia because of the tall poppy syndrome; oddly you then later commented on the obvious widespread support for valentino at PI this year having dismissed my raising of the presence of such support every year as evidence against your contention.
Your facts actually support his argument rather than any argument you decided you were making in retrospect after reading his post. He acknowledges rossi's greatness, something so obvious to everyone it is in no need of proof, but objected to you denigrating stoner which is perhaps not unusual in a stoner fan; evidence supporting rossi's greatness oddly to we biased stoner fans does not prove that stoner has no talent or has achieved nothing. It does not even preclude him being outstandingly good, particularly if rossi is the greatest, which few on here would argue against. The logical extension of your position would seem to be for rossi to do 4 or 5 race distance solo rides on each of the different bikes, and after ascertaining the bike on which he finished most quickly for you to then debate which rossi was the best, if even a rider who has won twenty races against him is so completely unworthy.
TP70 was I think also arguing that you had produced no evidence that you were speaking for many australian fans who despise stoner, and stated that you were not speaking for him at least, something of which he could conceivably be reasonably sure without looking for further evidence. There also does not seem to be a flood of australian posters on here supporting you. I am still waiting for evidence for your statement early in your posting career that valentino was widely denigrated in australia because of the tall poppy syndrome; oddly you then later commented on the obvious widespread support for valentino at PI this year having dismissed my raising of the presence of such support every year as evidence against your contention.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 12 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your facts actually support his argument rather than any argument you decided you were making in retrospect after reading his post. He acknowledges rossi's greatness, something so obvious to everyone it is in no need of proof, but objected to you denigrating stoner which is perhaps not unusual in a stoner fan; evidence supporting rossi's greatness oddly to we biased stoner fans does not prove that stoner has no talent or has achieved nothing. It does not even preclude him being outstandingly good, particularly if rossi is the greatest, which few on here would argue against. The logical extension of your position would seem to be for rossi to do 4 or 5 race distance solo rides on each of the different bikes, and after ascertaining the bike on which he finished most quickly for you to then debate which rossi was the best, if even a rider who has won twenty races against him is so completely unworthy.
TP70 was I think also arguing that you had produced no evidence that you were speaking for many australian fans who despise stoner, and stated that you were not speaking for him at least, something of which he could conceivably be reasonably sure without looking for further evidence. There also does not seem to be a flood of australian posters on here supporting you. I am still waiting for evidence for your statement early in your posting career that valentino was widely denigrated in australia because of the tall poppy syndrome; oddly you then later commented on the obvious widespread support for valentino at PI this year having dismissed my raising of the presence of such support every year as evidence against your contention.
Firstly, you know way more about my old posts than I do, I'm scared, are you stalking me?!!
But once again you have misread and/or spun them back to try to ridicule my point.....not working and the above post is a remarkable work of fiction.
When I originally brought up the 'Tall Poppy' syndrome it was in reference to a select few here on Powerslide, certainly not in regards to Aussies/VR support in general, the fact that it pertained to mainly Aussie members (and a couple of Yanks) here was coincidental, although interesting based on the saying and its origin.
My facts support my argument and the argument that continues to rage here and more recently fueled by posts from Bunyip, Jum, Baz and TP after CS's remarkable comeback from illness.
TP said that Rossi fans do not consider anyone who beats Rossi deserving of credit and in fact that the victory is only because of superior machinery. This is not true of course and mainly seeded in the 2007 argument/debate. Most of the time I'm trying to argue against those who claim VR has only won because of superior machinery!!!
I believe his response was;
'I wish the same could be said about you. You only have one move and it is a bone head one that you repeat over and over and over again. Predictable, boring and always full of spin and free of fact.
Oh and your little comment about "most of us", I have never seen or heard anyone come in and support your view so talking on behalf of others is not something you should consider that you have the authority to do. Just shows your immaturity.'
At what point was he referencing that my point was representing most Australians, and when have I said that I was representing most Australians? Never. I was referring to most of us Rossi supporters, rather obviously, but you are in quite a mood aren't you......
My problem is, once again, that everytime CS wins, cs boppers here start sprouting how he is the Fastest, the best Blah......Blah....Blah......
Please note that Pedders, just kicked everyone's ... and you don't see anyone here carrying on about how he is the fastest, best throttle control, and how VR will never celebrate anything, anymore......
CS fans have stepped way out of line here on many occasions, which makes it very hard to not hate them, as they do Rossi fans.....door swings......are you saying that we are not allowed to argue our point as we are just Rossi Boppers who know nothing, and CS fans can seemingly make completely irrational and false statements and get away with it? How does that work? Is it an underdog thing?
Anyway hey its just Bike racing, and this is just a bunch of clowns on keyboards!!!
TP70 was I think also arguing that you had produced no evidence that you were speaking for many australian fans who despise stoner, and stated that you were not speaking for him at least, something of which he could conceivably be reasonably sure without looking for further evidence. There also does not seem to be a flood of australian posters on here supporting you. I am still waiting for evidence for your statement early in your posting career that valentino was widely denigrated in australia because of the tall poppy syndrome; oddly you then later commented on the obvious widespread support for valentino at PI this year having dismissed my raising of the presence of such support every year as evidence against your contention.
Firstly, you know way more about my old posts than I do, I'm scared, are you stalking me?!!
But once again you have misread and/or spun them back to try to ridicule my point.....not working and the above post is a remarkable work of fiction.
When I originally brought up the 'Tall Poppy' syndrome it was in reference to a select few here on Powerslide, certainly not in regards to Aussies/VR support in general, the fact that it pertained to mainly Aussie members (and a couple of Yanks) here was coincidental, although interesting based on the saying and its origin.
My facts support my argument and the argument that continues to rage here and more recently fueled by posts from Bunyip, Jum, Baz and TP after CS's remarkable comeback from illness.
TP said that Rossi fans do not consider anyone who beats Rossi deserving of credit and in fact that the victory is only because of superior machinery. This is not true of course and mainly seeded in the 2007 argument/debate. Most of the time I'm trying to argue against those who claim VR has only won because of superior machinery!!!
I believe his response was;
'I wish the same could be said about you. You only have one move and it is a bone head one that you repeat over and over and over again. Predictable, boring and always full of spin and free of fact.
Oh and your little comment about "most of us", I have never seen or heard anyone come in and support your view so talking on behalf of others is not something you should consider that you have the authority to do. Just shows your immaturity.'
At what point was he referencing that my point was representing most Australians, and when have I said that I was representing most Australians? Never. I was referring to most of us Rossi supporters, rather obviously, but you are in quite a mood aren't you......
My problem is, once again, that everytime CS wins, cs boppers here start sprouting how he is the Fastest, the best Blah......Blah....Blah......
Please note that Pedders, just kicked everyone's ... and you don't see anyone here carrying on about how he is the fastest, best throttle control, and how VR will never celebrate anything, anymore......
CS fans have stepped way out of line here on many occasions, which makes it very hard to not hate them, as they do Rossi fans.....door swings......are you saying that we are not allowed to argue our point as we are just Rossi Boppers who know nothing, and CS fans can seemingly make completely irrational and false statements and get away with it? How does that work? Is it an underdog thing?
Anyway hey its just Bike racing, and this is just a bunch of clowns on keyboards!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 12 2009, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>CS fans have stepped way out of line here on many occasions
By pointing out that Stoner has more wins in the 800cc era and is a legitimate threat?
By pointing out that Stoner has more wins in the 800cc era and is a legitimate threat?
This thread wasn't supposed to be about fans of Rossi and fans of Stoner going arguing about Rossi vs. Stoner.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Nov 13 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread wasn't supposed to be about fans of Rossi and fans of Stoner going arguing about Rossi vs. Stoner.
I didn't see a whole lot about rossi, so I disagree. But it is your own fault this thread fell off the tracks when you responded to TP4his bunghole in the first place. Honestly I think this thread is to soon, I think we needed time to contemplate the season.
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I didn't see a whole lot about rossi, so I disagree. But it is your own fault this thread fell off the tracks when you responded to TP4his bunghole in the first place. Honestly I think this thread is to soon, I think we needed time to contemplate the season.
Stoner fans are starting to remind me of someone.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Nov 12 2009, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another Stoner vs Rossi thread. Powerslide.net should change its name.
How about making it a Lorenzo v Rossi thread for a while?
Really, Casey came fourth in the C'ship and isn't the big threat.
The Rossibopgirls need to let it go, you know that voice in the back of their heads (or wherever the homunculus lives) that tells them Casey is actually a bit quicker than the two guys in front of him in the champioship (Pedro and Horhey) and that irrespective of where he placed he came back from his illness and won two, came second in one and tossed on away in a perhaps never to be repeated move.
A good challenge for the brains trust - discuss why Jorge or Dani ain't the cheese (or whatever) for a while and leave the 4th placed bloke alone.
How about making it a Lorenzo v Rossi thread for a while?
Really, Casey came fourth in the C'ship and isn't the big threat.
The Rossibopgirls need to let it go, you know that voice in the back of their heads (or wherever the homunculus lives) that tells them Casey is actually a bit quicker than the two guys in front of him in the champioship (Pedro and Horhey) and that irrespective of where he placed he came back from his illness and won two, came second in one and tossed on away in a perhaps never to be repeated move.
A good challenge for the brains trust - discuss why Jorge or Dani ain't the cheese (or whatever) for a while and leave the 4th placed bloke alone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 18 2009, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How about making it a Lorenzo v Rossi thread for a while?
Really, Casey came fourth in the C'ship and isn't the big threat.
The Rossibopgirls need to let it go, you know that voice in the back of their heads (or wherever the homunculus lives) that tells them Casey is actually a bit quicker than the two guys in front of him in the champioship (Pedro and Horhey) and that irrespective of where he placed he came back from his illness and won two, came second in one and tossed on away in a perhaps never to be repeated move.
A good challenge for the brains trust - discuss why Jorge or Dani ain't the cheese (or whatever) for a while and leave the 4th placed bloke alone.
Bro, you should read about them in Spanish Forums (as in Forums from Spain, not only in Spanish Language)… All you read about is how wonderful Pedrosa is, and what a crappy bike (Honda) he has had ever since he came to MotoGP (Like he is not supposed to develop it and it is all the engineers fault). Now that finally Lorenzo ended up in front of Pedrosa in a Season, his fans keep saying how much better than Rossi he is, I really don't see how (I am a well known bopper) but they keep on arguing about it. To tell you the truth, Stoner or Spies get mentioned once every dozen times the Spanish riders do.
Really, Casey came fourth in the C'ship and isn't the big threat.
The Rossibopgirls need to let it go, you know that voice in the back of their heads (or wherever the homunculus lives) that tells them Casey is actually a bit quicker than the two guys in front of him in the champioship (Pedro and Horhey) and that irrespective of where he placed he came back from his illness and won two, came second in one and tossed on away in a perhaps never to be repeated move.
A good challenge for the brains trust - discuss why Jorge or Dani ain't the cheese (or whatever) for a while and leave the 4th placed bloke alone.
Bro, you should read about them in Spanish Forums (as in Forums from Spain, not only in Spanish Language)… All you read about is how wonderful Pedrosa is, and what a crappy bike (Honda) he has had ever since he came to MotoGP (Like he is not supposed to develop it and it is all the engineers fault). Now that finally Lorenzo ended up in front of Pedrosa in a Season, his fans keep saying how much better than Rossi he is, I really don't see how (I am a well known bopper) but they keep on arguing about it. To tell you the truth, Stoner or Spies get mentioned once every dozen times the Spanish riders do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 18 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bro, you should read about them in Spanish Forums (as in Forums from Spain, not only in Spanish Language)… All you read about is how wonderful Pedrosa is, and what a crappy bike (Honda) he has had ever since he came to MotoGP (Like he is not supposed to develop it and it is all the engineers fault). Now that finally Lorenzo ended up in front of Pedrosa in a Season, his fans keep saying how much better than Rossi he is, I really don't see how (I am a well known bopper) but they keep on arguing about it. To tell you the truth, Stoner or Spies get mentioned once every dozen times the Spanish riders do.
Maybe it has something to do with who the people are and where they are from that always have them talking about Spanish riders in a Spanish speaking forum, ya think?
Anyways, how come Spanish people prefer Pedrosa over Lorenzo? I think it's clear enough to see that Lorenzo is the better racer of the 2, in my opinion anyways. Pedrosa seems like he doesn't race with heart or passion at all, while Lorenzo you can just tell he is.
Back on topic... as far as Ducati is concern for 2010, they should have no worries I think. Their ugly, but effective, Ducati machines are always at or near the top of the timesheets.... at least for Stoner anyways. So bar Stoner's 'mystery illness' next year, Ducati's got a relatively good chance of winning the championship.... it's just too bad their other rider "The Kentucky Squid" can't pull his weight, thus being the weak link against Yamaha and their 2 star riders.
Go WhoreHey Lorentho!!!!!!!!!
Maybe it has something to do with who the people are and where they are from that always have them talking about Spanish riders in a Spanish speaking forum, ya think?
Anyways, how come Spanish people prefer Pedrosa over Lorenzo? I think it's clear enough to see that Lorenzo is the better racer of the 2, in my opinion anyways. Pedrosa seems like he doesn't race with heart or passion at all, while Lorenzo you can just tell he is.
Back on topic... as far as Ducati is concern for 2010, they should have no worries I think. Their ugly, but effective, Ducati machines are always at or near the top of the timesheets.... at least for Stoner anyways. So bar Stoner's 'mystery illness' next year, Ducati's got a relatively good chance of winning the championship.... it's just too bad their other rider "The Kentucky Squid" can't pull his weight, thus being the weak link against Yamaha and their 2 star riders.
Go WhoreHey Lorentho!!!!!!!!!
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