Lorenzo warns Rossi over being bossy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 16 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mdub your just a waste of time replying to so this will be my last on the subject with you. If its anyone that needs to lay off anything its you and your stereotyping just because I like to smoke dose not mean I am some forgetful moran and I thought this was a motorsport forum where people were free to express their views and opinions. I Dont need to reread my posts but mabey you do. How dose stating that I watch every Motogp session I can make me a hyproicate? Dose the fact that I hold the view that motogp in recent years has turned into a debacle, the most boring off all championships, that it has been turned into some kinda of soap opera to keep the viewers entertained more in the press room than on circuit. And that the riders are over paid self centered ........ Because I hold this view dose that mean I am not allowed to watch Motogp? Once the riders go off track I could'nt really care less what happens with all the MCN ......... There is also of course the 125cc and we had 250cc which had better racing than Motogp. Yes I can see why my opinion would upset a muppet like yourself. Motogp could very easy be the best championhsip on the calander as it once used to be but Dorna has ...... that up so bad and continue to do so

Cool thanks for giving me the last word. If you stick around I am sure the'll be plenty of opportunities to rehash this argument, no pun intended. But I guess that would mean you would have to partake in the "soap opera" some more. I am not stereotyping potheads, I am just calling it how I see it. I didnt say you were forgetful just delusional and hypocritical. But I guess maybe you forgot while replying. So if you come on a motogp forum in the middle of the off season, wtf do you expect the conversation to be about? It's gonna be mindless ........, and by replying to it telling us it's mindless ........ you yourself are contributing to the mindless ......... And posting your opinion on anything besides the races your just proving me right. Because your to good for that ..... do you sniff your own farts too?

I bolded that piece because why would you watch it if you feel this way. It's boring, you don't like the riders than why watch? Couldn't you do something better with your time? I dont watch ama or daytona (or what ever they call it) for that simple reason it's boring (let me give you a hint suzuki wins). But I will watch anything else on two wheels. .... I'll watch the tour de france before I watch that ..... Anyway I am certain you are delusional, but I apologize for blaming it on the buddha ses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 15 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You may or may not have heard of Coronation Street it a British soap opera well that to me is exactly what Motogp is and the riders are like soccer players a bunch of over paid Prima Donnas that do more bitching than anything else. And like Coronation Street its enough to keep mindless ....... happy


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 15 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes Motogp is too soft and sterile. Bloody hell even Rossi said he did'nt have the balls to go at the TT like McGuinness would. Dont get me wrong though its still bike racing after all and I watch every pratice, Q and Race but it is not "it"

Hypocrite!

And thanks again for giving me the last word, I look forward to not hearing your response.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 16 2009, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread has become...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 16 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cool thanks for giving me the last word. If you stick around I am sure the'll be plenty of opportunities to rehash this argument, no pun intended. But I guess that would mean you would have to partake in the "soap opera" some more. I am not stereotyping potheads, I am just calling it how I see it. I didnt say you were forgetful just delusional and hypocritical. But I guess maybe you forgot while replying. So if you come on a motogp forum in the middle of the off season, wtf do you expect the conversation to be about? It's gonna be mindless ........, and by replying to it telling us it's mindless ........ you yourself are contributing to the mindless ......... And posting your opinion on anything besides the races your just proving me right. Because your to good for that ..... do you sniff your own farts too?

I bolded that piece because why would you watch it if you feel this way. It's boring, you don't like the riders than why watch? Couldn't you do something better with your time? I dont watch ama or daytona (or what ever they call it) for that simple reason it's boring (let me give you a hint suzuki wins). But I will watch anything else on two wheels. .... I'll watch the tour de france before I watch that ..... Anyway I am certain you are delusional, but I apologize for blaming it on the buddha ses.






Hypocrite!

And thanks again for giving me the last word, I look forward to not hearing your response.


Well Dubs score 1 to you because I couldnt resist biting back. To answer the one intelligent unanal point you made. Before that let me just remind you that everything I said "bad" (I would call it true but apples and oranges I am delusional after all) about Motogp was in relation to other forms of bike racing especially road racing. Motogp is not boring to lets say soccer but when compared to other forms of bike racing its incredibly boring
You asked why do I watch something that I find boring. Well there is two parts to that.
1, Would be because of my old man. Throughout my youth he would have me off all over Europe at race events. There was no such thing as Sunday mass in my house Sunday was race day either at an event or at home in front of the box. After so many years of this its just what I do. No matter how boring the racing may be it is still spectatular to see these bike out on track(Ooops are my a hypocrite again!!).Unlike you I get a kick out of watching a bike going round a track or down a road wheather it be Ama or Motogp, dose'nt mean its good racing. I watch in hope that gp racing will come back to the glory days of hardcore racing but on the upside I feel that day will soon be upon us as for the over priced ....... part thats something I think I'm going to have to keep on living with.
2, When I found this site it said addicted to motorsport, I loved that and knew straight away that this forum would rock, well I guess I'm addicted to motorsport of the two wheeled varity. I've been watching longer than I care to remember

You can have your last word now since you love it so much

I believe Lorenzo has been very fair about this, and has just said what he had to say.
after all Rossi could say a little sorry about his remarks and let them both forget about that.


surely a journalist have asked Horhey a question and he has given answer to that question.
this is not the first time that a journalist only writes an answer without it's question, so that it

gives the idea that that person has been bitching. But imo Lorenzo has reacted in a very civilized manner about what Rossi said.


I only blame Rossi for saying that in public, but if he had done that privately to Yamaha bosses, then i would support him and give him every right for asking that from Yamaha.


let's not forget that no rider will ever like such a remark from other rider's, and especially from his team mate.


i only can hope and be happy that maybe this gives a bit more drama and action to 2010 championship. But exept that i really didn't expect Vale to say such a thing.

I believe he is the best rider out there and he is still my NR 1, but he says stupid things sometimes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 16 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Dubs score 1 to you because I couldnt resist biting back. To answer the one intelligent unanal point you made. Before that let me just remind you that everything I said "bad" (I would call it true but apples and oranges I am delusional after all) about Motogp was in relation to other forms of bike racing especially road racing. Motogp is not boring to lets say soccer but when compared to other forms of bike racing its incredibly boring
You asked why do I watch something that I find boring. Well there is two parts to that.
1, Would be because of my old man. Throughout my youth he would have me off all over Europe at race events. There was no such thing as Sunday mass in my house Sunday was race day either at an event or at home in front of the box. After so many years of this its just what I do. No matter how boring the racing may be it is still spectatular to see these bike out on track(Ooops are my a hypocrite again!!).Unlike you I get a kick out of watching a bike going round a track or down a road wheather it be Ama or Motogp, dose'nt mean its good racing. I watch in hope that gp racing will come back to the glory days of hardcore racing but on the upside I feel that day will soon be upon us as for the over priced ....... part thats something I think I'm going to have to keep on living with.
2, When I found this site it said addicted to motorsport, I loved that and knew straight away that this forum would rock, well I guess I'm addicted to motorsport of the two wheeled varity. I've been watching longer than I care to remember

You can have your last word now since you love it so much

Two thumbs up on that one. Your new here so I am going to let you in on a secret, we love to give each other ..... Dont take anything to serious, and take nothing I say to heart. It's all in good fun. And because your new here we tend to see if you can take it maybe we just love to haze IDK. My first post I was called a moron and an ..... for asking a question about my personal favorite rider Casey Stoner, I think you were the first to call me a muppet though. Anyway I really hope you stick around, you made for an entertaining off season day. And trust me we are way more fun during the season.


And now back to the regularly scheduled ........ thread about lolo warning rossi. Wait this thread sucks Five was right.

I don't really think Lorenzo's comments are that controversial.

Think a few on here are getting excited over nothing - with not much else happening in MotoGP world to get excited about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 16 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Two thumbs up on that one. Your new here so I am going to let you in on a secret, we love to give each other ..... Dont take anything to serious, and take nothing I say to heart. It's all in good fun. And because your new here we tend to see if you can take it maybe we just love to haze IDK. My first post I was called a moron and an ..... for asking a question about my personal favorite rider Casey Stoner, I think you were the first to call me a muppet though. Anyway I really hope you stick around, you made for an entertaining off season day. And trust me we are way more fun during the season.
So true.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Dec 16 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe Lorenzo has been very fair about this, and has just said what he had to say.
after all Rossi could say a little sorry about his remarks and let them both forget about that.


surely a journalist have asked Horhey a question and he has given answer to that question.
this is not the first time that a journalist only writes an answer without it's question, so that it

gives the idea that that person has been bitching. But imo Lorenzo has reacted in a very civilized manner about what Rossi said.


I only blame Rossi for saying that in public, but if he had done that privately to Yamaha bosses, then i would support him and give him every right for asking that from Yamaha.


let's not forget that no rider will ever like such a remark from other rider's, and especially from his team mate.


i only can hope and be happy that maybe this gives a bit more drama and action to 2010 championship. But exept that i really didn't expect Vale to say such a thing.

I believe he is the best rider out there and he is still my NR 1, but he says stupid things sometimes.

EXCELLENT POST! You see Talpa, Boppers & Co. Its not that hard to express the reality of events surrounding Rossi. The man (Rossi) is awesome, we all know this, but he does not walk on water, he does in fact sometimes can say and do some dumb things. Everytime somebody takes him to task on it we get the standard responses: 1. We're hating 2. Out come the millions of wins and title counts (as if this is relevant to the issue being discussed).

I have respect for this type of fan, rossiofsky, roots for his guy because he is a big fan (just like most of us), but can recognize when he shows his human flaws too. Talpa, Fish, J4rno, take note of this post above.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Dec 16 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't really think Lorenzo's comments are that controversial.

Think a few on here are getting excited over nothing - with not much else happening in MotoGP world to get excited about.

Agree. Good call. But I think we have an active media and a few members who can't see their boy Rossi challenged in any way (despite he was the one to make this an issue). I can't really blame it totally on the media; though we know how much they like to bring drama between rivals, but lets not forget this came to Lorenzo not other way around. Lorenzo has handled this very classy I think.
The justification for Rossi's demands revolve around this idea that Lorenzo is unjustly benefiting from Rossi's development of the Yamaha. I would debate anybody on this, that Rossi, being a great part of the development was in fact NOT the sole reason for Yamaha's success. Keep in mind Rossi is an amazing rider, so straight away the bike was gonna look great. But add to this the development of Burgess, Edwards, and the Yamaha engineers, who also have a great passion for racing; well simply, its a team effort. Yet a few Rossi fans would have us believe Rossi took yamaha from futility into the light. The historical record does NOT support this exaggerated idea, but rather is a mindless attempt at assigning accolades to an already legendary career, as is typical of a bopper.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 16 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin I dont think you trashed road racing one bit. Sure I could not argue any road racer given the choice would have gone the route of running gps as did Eugene and Michael Laverty. I think those guys would be road racing for sure had they not got or I should say made their opportunities, unfortunatly those types of opportunities are few and far between. I will concede to a point that Motogp is "it" on the engineering and technological side and everything in 2 wheeled sport is sup-par when you talk about the bikes. The talent\rider skill part I cannot agree on 100% mabey 50\50, we would have to name the riders we are talking about because in motogp there is a small bunch of riders in a whole other atmosphere, not all motogp riders would dominate just the top 2 or 3 mabey. Michael Dunlop rode an outstanding race in Valencia just a few months ago on a piece of ..... Honda doing just like his uncle loading it up in the van and driving to the race. I feel if someone of Michaels calibre were given decent sponsorship, budget, equipment and dedicate team he would do very well racing gps. Actually I would love to see him in moto2 but then he would stop road racing where he would be missed. I will say if you want balls out racing, guys really going toe to toe, something where you nearly have a greater chance of seeing a dinosaur than seeing the same kind of action in motogp then watch road racing closest on track these days would be Wsbk. If you want to see 2 or 3 good laps and then guys going around in circles of clinical precision for another 20 odd laps then watch Motogp
I did not see Dunlop's ride at Valencia, I'd like to see him with proper support. I think there are a lot of cases out there like that, I was a big proponent of Ant West when he was riding around on some .... Aprilia 250 trouncing people in the rain and finishing outside the points in the dry. He couldn't catch a break, finally got his and pissed it away. And continues to piss it away. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are a lot of guys out there who show a lot of potential on .... bikes or .... teams or .... tires, but that potential doesn't always materialize. It'd be great if it did, I can only imagine a field 25 deep with capable winners all the way to the back. In a perfect world...

Admittedly, I'm not the closest follower of TTs. I watch them, but don't follow too closely so I couldn't say who could and could not run a GP. However I honestly think there is a list that includes Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa that I don't think are reachable for anyone on the planet at the moment. Then there are names like Spies, Hayden, de Puniet, Elias and Capirossi who can take the fight to anyone given the right conditions and/or machinery. I think you take the top riders from any street derived motorcycle series in the world and they would struggle to find the top 10.

By the way, where are you from? Also, welcome.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 16 2009, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Two thumbs up on that one. Your new here so I am going to let you in on a secret, we love to give each other ..... Dont take anything to serious, and take nothing I say to heart. It's all in good fun. And because your new here we tend to see if you can take it maybe we just love to haze IDK. My first post I was called a moron and an ..... for asking a question about my personal favorite rider Casey Stoner, I think you were the first to call me a muppet though. Anyway I really hope you stick around, you made for an entertaining off season day. And trust me we are way more fun during the season.


And now back to the regularly scheduled ........ thread about lolo warning rossi. Wait this thread sucks Five was right.
No, that's because you're a moron and an ......

Top of the morning folks

Dubs this forum is quite unlike any other biker forum I have found in the past few weeks. I can literally feel the passion you guys have oozing from the screen and on that basis alone I wont be going anywhere, ye have created a real specail forum here. I did'nt take anything to heart I was enjoying the banter.

Austin to be honest I did'nt see much of Dunlops race either he got very little air play. I was mostly keeping my eye on his lap times. He Q'd at 26 position just over 6secs of Debon's pole and finished 18th 1 lap down. Now I know 18th is nothing to write home about but given the circumstances and the bike he was riding he was very impressive. They talked about Aoyama's Honda being a piece of ..... this year well to put it in perspective that was the best 250cc Honda ever in comparison to what Michael was running. It is very hard to say what rider would run well in what series. West was a perfect example, great potential but ..... package with ..... circumstances to boot, Toseland is another good example of the opposite he also had great potentail and was lucky(or deserved it becasue of his Wsbk status) to get a really good package but still was unable to finish higher than 6th
Out of the riders you mentioned Stoner and Spies would be the ones that I would say have best chances. They have that unnatural ability with raw speed and plenty of guts to have the mindset to tackle a course like the TT. Of course you can never really count out Rossi he has what Spies and Stoner have but I dont know. Mabey if Rossi was like myself from Co. Cork in Ireland he would hold every TT record because if your from Ireland and you want to race then you go road racing or go to the UK and try to make a name for yourself running Bsb. Pedrosa and Lorenzo I dont know if they have the physical strenght and mindset to go the distance, mabey Lorenzo. Hayden I'd say would give it a fair shot becasue he has great control over a bike and things like surface and weather changes wouldnt .... with his mind too much. De Puniet I always considered a crasher but this year something has changed so I'm not so sure about him. Elias not a hope his stlye isint suited for road racing and Capirossi certainly in his day he could have done very well. This is all speculation of course and just how I think top riders in Motogp would fair its alot harder to guess which road racers would fair on Gp bikes because they are completely different animals than what they are used to not like back in the days of Ago, Duke, Hislop, Read and Hailwood and Co.

So anyway guys I'll stop my blasphemy and let ye get on with yer thread

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 16 2009, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Top of the morning folks

Dubs this forum is quite unlike any other biker forum I have found in the past few weeks. I can literally feel the passion you guys have oozing from the screen and on that basis alone I wont be going anywhere, ye have created a real specail forum here. I did'nt take anything to heart I was enjoying the banter.

You got that ....... right. Glad you were not a one-post-wonder. Stick around, you're gonna love the on season discussions. Just remember, as you said, don't take anything to heart around here.


BTW, I have a curious question, so is a standard joint like a blunt for a leprechaun such as yourself?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 16 2009, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, that's because you're a moron and an ......

You have a good point Austin. Coming from someone with hypocrate in his avatar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 17 2009, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin to be honest I did'nt see much of Dunlops race either he got very little air play. I was mostly keeping my eye on his lap times. He Q'd at 26 position just over 6secs of Debon's pole and finished 18th 1 lap down. Now I know 18th is nothing to write home about but given the circumstances and the bike he was riding he was very impressive. They talked about Aoyama's Honda being a piece of ..... this year well to put it in perspective that was the best 250cc Honda ever in comparison to what Michael was running. It is very hard to say what rider would run well in what series. West was a perfect example, great potential but ..... package with ..... circumstances to boot, Toseland is another good example of the opposite he also had great potentail and was lucky(or deserved it becasue of his Wsbk status) to get a really good package but still was unable to finish higher than 6th
Out of the riders you mentioned Stoner and Spies would be the ones that I would say have best chances. They have that unnatural ability with raw speed and plenty of guts to have the mindset to tackle a course like the TT. Of course you can never really count out Rossi he has what Spies and Stoner have but I dont know. Mabey if Rossi was like myself from Co. Cork in Ireland he would hold every TT record because if your from Ireland and you want to race then you go road racing or go to the UK and try to make a name for yourself running Bsb. Pedrosa and Lorenzo I dont know if they have the physical strenght and mindset to go the distance, mabey Lorenzo. Hayden I'd say would give it a fair shot becasue he has great control over a bike and things like surface and weather changes wouldnt .... with his mind too much. De Puniet I always considered a crasher but this year something has changed so I'm not so sure about him. Elias not a hope his stlye isint suited for road racing and Capirossi certainly in his day he could have done very well. This is all speculation of course and just how I think top riders in Motogp would fair its alot harder to guess which road racers would fair on Gp bikes because they are completely different animals than what they are used to not like back in the days of Ago, Duke, Hislop, Read and Hailwood and Co.
Didn't mean to come off as Dunlop is just another guy with potential. If you aren't on the top couple of Aprilia teams or a factory Derbi, Gilera or what have you, you're riding .... in 125 and 250. Even the factory Honda is a brick. Sorry if I came off as snooty, there are just a lot of cases of guys with loads of potential suffering on ..... packages. Some of them flourish, some of them never pan out. It's a crap shoot.

As an Irishman and a road racing enthusiast, what's your take on Eugene Laverty? I guess this could go to the Brits as well. I've read he's from Northern Ireland but WSBK continues to put up the Irish flag. What's his deal with that? Personally, I love the guy, just trying to get some info.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 17 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You have a good point Austin. Coming from someone with hypocrate in his avatar.
I never claimed not to be an ..... or a moron.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Dec 17 2009, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't mean to come off as Dunlop is just another guy with potential. If you aren't on the top couple of Aprilia teams or a factory Derbi, Gilera or what have you, you're riding .... in 125 and 250. Even the factory Honda is a brick. Sorry if I came off as snooty, there are just a lot of cases of guys with loads of potential suffering on ..... packages. Some of them flourish, some of them never pan out. It's a crap shoot.

As an Irishman and a road racing enthusiast, what's your take on Eugene Laverty? I guess this could go to the Brits as well. I've read he's from Northern Ireland but WSBK continues to put up the Irish flag. What's his deal with that? Personally, I love the guy, just trying to get some info.


I never claimed not to be an ..... or a moron.

Ya Eugene is great and coming runner up to Crutchlow is no small feat. Its a shame Eugene never got a chance to show his true potential in 250's, just adds to the point you were making earlier. I think he has a good chance of taking the WSS title next year and hopefull it might give him a chance to make it thru to Moto2 or Motogp.
As for the Irish flag I dont know what the story is. I know alot of people up north and some refuse to call themselves Brits, its rooted deep in their history. Mabey Eugene comes from a catholic family where as Rea might come from a protestant family and see himself as a Brit which he has every right to do. Its a very complex and stupid subject, unfortunately people on both sides are literally deadly serious about it. But thats another great thing about bike racing and I tried to show that in one of vids I posted the other day. Bike racing crossed the boundary of the hatred seeded in religion and politics. It brought the people together if just for a short while

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 17 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ya Eugene is great and coming runner up to Crutchlow is no small feat. Its a shame Eugene never got a chance to show his true potential in 250's, just adds to the point you were making earlier. I think he has a good chance of taking the WSS title next year and hopefull it might give him a chance to make it thru to Moto2 or Motogp.
As for the Irish flag I dont know what the story is. I know alot of people up north and some refuse to call themselves Brits, its rooted deep in their history. Mabey Eugene comes from a catholic family where as Rea might come from a protestant family and see himself as a Brit which he has every right to do. Its a very complex and stupid subject, unfortunately people on both sides are literally deadly serious about it. But thats another great thing about bike racing and I tried to show that in one of vids I posted the other day. Bike racing crossed the boundary of the hatred seeded in religion and politics. It brought the people together if just for a short while
Thanks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 14 2009, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is right.


Talpa, I'll save you the reply surely to come from you:



Let the spinning by the Rossi boppers begin...


I agree....Lorenzo is right. Yamaha are gonna choose what is best for Yamaha commercially