Stoner Retiring!

michaelm said:

Complaining when you are losing and eventually leaving gp bike racing in a non-voluntary fashion like max biaggi is what I would regard as mentally weak.

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Well, Biaggi crossed too many lines in his complaints. If he was mentally weak it was in not being disciplined about his comments.



Again, Stoner's head is not in it anymore. He's walking away because he can't hack it mentally. It does not diminish his riding talents and achievements. Most riders quit after a couple or more mediocre seasons convince them that despite their desire, they are no longer able to compete for the championship; these are the ones that are mentally strong.

There you go. Just how good are the riders in gp if a mentally weak guy can come in and absolutely dominate them.



There are some of the most mentally weak folk in the world attached to gp. .......... And they arent the riders lololol

So beef, does this mean that every person who retires is mentally weak?

MT1992 said:

Im supposed to appreciate an where the bikes are so inundated with electronics that if there is any sort of interference they cant even ride around the track.

What a childish and immature statement he makes You guys should like what your seeing because I said so.

I cant wait for this entitled weak minded little .... to exit stage left.

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You blew it there motochick 1992 knockdown.

Casey has looked at his new family, then at his bank account, then at Marco's grave stone and come to a logical conclusion.

He is set for life and doesn't need to risk his life any longer.

Better to buy a farm, than buy THE farm.

The aussies are practical. Life will be good for Casey down under.



Marc Marquez will likely move up to replace him and you'll have someone new to cat fight about.

Beef Supreme said:

I meant that Moto2 is fantastic racing and it's cheaper than 250cc. So for anyone, including Stoner, to say that a production motor in a prototype chassis leads to lesser racing is ... stupid. But Stoner isn't paid to run a series, he's paid to ride a bike fast, so I'm not too concerned that my opinion is different than his.

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While I enjoy the spectacle of all these guys (40 or whatever) careening into the first few turns on the opening lap and relative parity of the same engine from bike to bike - I find that it's not so different from Supersport and does not require as refined a skill-set as the 250s did. As an old club racer who ran middle-weight superbike and F2 I have an appreciation for the difference requirements to ride a TZ250 as opposed to an FZ600 (yes I am dating myself). I think serious long-time fans have appreciate that those capable of being competitive on the more difficult to master bikes are a more elite class of rider.

I guess Stoner will be demonised no matter what he does. Now he's retiring he's being called a ..... for it. He's never going to win with some people - quite a lot of people actually.



To me it would be more selfish to keep going on with his heart not in it for the sake of it. He's now giving someone a factory ride who would previously be denied it. He's giving someone with the hunger a chance at a full factory ride who WANTS to be there and not being selfish and going through the motions. He doesn't like the way the series is going and he's stated this many times. Obviously he doesn't like the press much or doing the outside duties that come with being a top rider/motoGP champion. Kudos to him for sticking by his beliefs and leaving now.



Why should Stoner cop flak for retiring at his peak? Why does that make him a .....? Who are people to tell others how to live their lives? He's done what he set out to do and be a motoGP champion at least twice, possibly a third time. He's right up in the top echelons of riders win wise. He has nothing left to prove.



He'll be sorely missed with his brilliant riding and straight forward answers to questions.



Looks like after this year I'll be going for Cal Crutchlow - yes I'm going for a pom!!! I like his style - this year he has been a revelation to me. Hope he manages a full non ducati factory ride next year.

Beef Supreme said:

Agree with that. He didn't go out saying "I've achieved all the goals I set out to achieve, and I want to get out while I'm still healthy and enjoy my family." Instead, he indulged in a litany of vague complaints and explicitly denied it has anything to do with being a new father, which makes it look as though, yes, he's a little weak mentally. Great rider, no question.

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You can't have your cake and eat it.

michaelm said:

No doubt he has a chip on his shoulder, but just because you are paranoid does not mean everyone isn't after you as jumkie and I have previously discussed, and I can see why he might think he has not always been treated fairly.



Mental weakness for having the balls to retire even when offered cubic dollars to continue, against all common expectations, and after you have just had one of the most dominant seasons in history and look set for a repeat? Not imo. Complaining when you are losing and eventually leaving gp bike racing in a non-voluntary fashion like max biaggi is what I would regard as mentally weak.

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This.

chopperman said:

It's not Dona's fault. Formulas change all the time. That's just part and parcel of the sport. I reckon casey has looked at the bunch of muppets he has for fans and thought ".... this, im outa here".

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Hahahahahahahah

Beef Supreme said:

Well, Biaggi crossed too many lines in his complaints. If he was mentally weak it was in not being disciplined about his comments.



Again, Stoner's head is not in it anymore. He's walking away because he can't hack it mentally. It does not diminish his riding talents and achievements. Most riders quit after a couple or more mediocre seasons convince them that despite their desire, they are no longer able to compete for the championship; these are the ones that are mentally strong.

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In the same way people said Stoner was mentally week and was fabricating nonsensical excuses about his health

- they now choose (despite the fact that not one of them has actually ever had a conversation with him) to ignore the

fact that he's made a personal decision and insist on attributing their own motivations as being more valid than the ones he has stated.

It's one thing to speculate and another altogether to defame a person mis-attribute the motivations of a very straight-talking person

just because his life choices don't match up with your concepts of manly sportsmanship. Fan arrogance amazes me.

Honestly I'm shocked... I never expected this to come true so early in the season. Im pretty sure Rossi just got it right...



"Is a shock for everybody. Nobody expected the rumours [about Casey’s retirement] to be true. It’s a great pity for MotoGP, because we lose a great rider."



Oh and also, I highly doubt Casey Stoner leaving makes him mentally weak, lmao. Im happy hes leaving, and not because he is beating my favorite rider. Now hes not another great rider that goes into being crap for 5 seasons, "tainting their legacy."

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Posted Today, 08:29 AM



povol, on 18 May 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:



To all you bored fans, go .... yourselves " class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif" /> I feel vindicated that the best rider in the world has echoed my sentiments concerning Moto GP. Its not boring, it is going backwards, and if you dont get your head out of Ross's ..., its going away. That is all





Yep. Stoner just gave the biggest .... YOU to Dorna and to the Media. I also feel vindicated as it is what I have been stating.



The only thing boring about MotoGP has been the fans and never has it been more evident than this forum over the last week or so. Log on 3 times and .... me it is depressing.



Here here above MA.

Such a pity these boards the short time I have been a member of just keeps turning into keyboard one upmanship BS.



As for CS calling the close to his career - should be applauded at the peak of his genius - he doesn't need to satisfy anybody but himself and close family and thats for any other rider or Elite Sportsmen. Not the norm but thats HIM.

I wish him the very best defending his title and hopefully #3 if not who cares it has been Fantastic watching you all the years I have followed your career, a true Champ !

BarryMachine said:

There you go. Just how good are the riders in gp if a mentally weak guy can come in and absolutely dominate them.



There are some of the most mentally weak folk in the world attached to gp. .......... And they arent the riders lololol

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I don't think mentally weak is the correct term but he reminds me of Andre Agassi who has said he hated tennis because of the tremendous pressure it exerted on him, dude used to also glue a wig on his head because he was terrified of the way people would see him. Either way he is sensitive, nothing wrong with that but no need to take a shot at the sport that is here because of all the greats that came before him that raced for peanuts just because they loved to ride. The last act of a true cry baby, taking his ball, going home, and getting in a sook that will last a year. Don't let the door hit you on the ... on the way out.

...., i still cant believe it. I like that Stoner has said .... the politics! I applaud him for that, i just cant get my head around saying .... change.



So, how soon will they name Stoners fav corner in PI after him?

People that complain incessantly are mentally weak. They cant deal with basic human existence and are the cancer of any worksite

Stoner lives a charmed lifestyle and does nothing but complain about his obligations, his employers and his competitors.



........ like Stoner .... on hard working people like me who bust their ..... all year long to maybe get a week or two of holiday and never complain.

He's an entitled little brat who manufacturers slights against himself. Its hard to fathom how he believes the world is out to get him when hes getting paid $19 a second

WTF home from work and read the news this is so not good, i may dislike the guys attitude but dont want him to go...... fk motogp is falling apart



im 100% sure this is to do with his wife and child, i dont believe he has lost interest the guy just wants to see his child grow up.... all this traveling they do with motogp and time away from home is why he is taking time out. its very hard bringing up a child for a new mother and i think he wants to be there every second so him and his wife experience it together and you cant blame him for that!



hes a family guy and doesnt like it when the time comes round he has to leave to go racing, all this is to do with that feeling.



he will be back in a year or 2 trust me.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

People that complain incessantly are mentally weak. They cant deal with basic human existence and are the cancer of any worksite

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So you are admitting to being a mentally weak cancer on a worksite then I take it?



After all, you (along with others) have complained incessantly about Stoner complaining and just said that he is weak for complaining, ergo your complaining makes you weak does it not?



Be that as it may, I also do not recall reading an article from Stoner or any rider questioning your work, ability or ethics so I doubt he even knows what work you do so to associate his 'complaining' and how it affects his worksite to your worskite is al ong bow to draw.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Stoner lives a charmed lifestyle and does nothing but complain about his obligations, his employers and his competitors.

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When has he complained about Honda?



Yes, he did criticise Ducati but they were not his employers at the time..



Have you ever complained about an employer by the way?

JohnnyKnockdown said:

........ like Stoner .... on hard working people like me who bust their ..... all year long to maybe get a week or two of holiday and never complain.

He's an entitled little brat who manufacturers slights against himself. Its hard to fathom how he believes the world is out to get him when hes getting paid $19 a second

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Your hatred clouds your ability to judge people .......... simple.



You sound far more bitter than many before you and yet somehow Stoner seems to blame for your anxiety.



And others get called Neos

Gaz said:

So you are admitting to being a mentally weak cancer on a worksite then I take it?



After all, you (along with others) have complained incessantly about Stoner complaining and just said that he is weak for complaining, ergo your complaining makes you weak does it not?



Be that as it may, I also do not recall reading an article from Stoner or any rider questioning your work, ability or ethics so I doubt he even knows what work you do so to associate his 'complaining' and how it affects his worksite to your worskite is al ong bow to draw.







When has he complained about Honda?



Yes, he did criticise Ducati but they were not his employers at the time..



Have you ever complained about an employer by the way?









Your hatred clouds your ability to judge people .......... simple.



You sound far more bitter than many before you and yet somehow Stoner seems to blame for your anxiety.



And others get called Neos

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Yeah the irony wasn't lost on me either

However it's his opinion & he is entitled to it.

Frizzle said:

Yeah the irony wasn't lost on me either

However it's his opinion & he is entitled to it.

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Yeah true, but as my father used to say 'when I want your opinion I will give it to you'