Stoner Retiring!

Jumkie said:

Yes, I already had this conversation about justification, he can give whatever reason, its his life, that's what I said. But not all reasons given will be judged the same, and frankly, that's what will be debated (rightly or wrongly). Just like the legacy threads. Nobody likes a quitter, as I've said before. Its a fine line between quitting and retiring, the reasons for doing so go a long way in making that distinction (rightly or wrongly). I fully suspect most of the debate to be along tribal lines. Its a fair discussion, and I'm not going to pretend its off limits simply because I think Stoner is a great talented rider. After all, its what we do around here, debate meaningless .....

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Walking away from something that no longer gives one pleasure doesn't make one a quitter.

If it were in Stoner's powers to change the way Dorna run the sport - possibly I think it would

be applicable to call him a quitter. I don't have a problem with a guy who has a high standard

for what he considers the pinnacle of Grand Prix racing. I'd hazard to guess that Stoner is

sick of the politics too. It's established that he's very private as well. Doubtless he won't

miss the requirements to to PR work. I don't see that having a goal and attaining it and moving

on makes a person a quitter. Some here seem to think there's a kind of moral imperative

for a racer to go down fighting, down to the bitter end as it were. Clearly that isn't Stoner's

goal. It amazes me how intolerant people can be when someone has a different philosophy

or a divergent set of values.

You're kidding. One last dummy spit.

Guess he can never be the goat now as he didn't achieve longevity.



I think Adriana got the ..... because he had other chicks holding his umbrella, quickly yanked on his balls and now he's tottling off back home.

cliché guevara said:

+ sometimes people here are just ........ for no good reason

i appreciate this forum but theres a bad habbit of shooing new members away

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Just the .........

povol said:

dj.

Having, relating to, or consisting of more than one individual, element, part, or other component; manifold.

n.

A number that may be divided by another number with no remainder:



Casey has multiple championships, and will have several after this year.

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So does Rossi have multiple or several?

Or even multiples of several?

Fcuk this .... is confusing!?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99662



Last 2 paragraphs. Seems as though journalists comments...........re. Not accepting that he had lactose intolerance etc. still irk him, and seems like a big factor. Seeing Randy and Colin at the back of the field too. But the money isn,t there, so what is the solution. Practically speaking CRT seems the correct solution and Casey is not being fair. But then it is his choice. A big shame to have such a relatively short career in the top class. He could have had another 10 years and how many race wins and titles?

He may make a comeback in 2 years???, if he has anything like troy Bayliss,s passion to race. But it would be wrong to expect that, because Casey is unique in his approach to things.



There will certainly be conjecture about what he might have done, as it's not often that a rider who is undoubtably on top , leaves the sport.

Keshav said:

Clearly it chaps the ... of the Boppers that despite all their self-important derision that Stoner is immune to public opinion. He's his own man, doesn't play the game and could give a .... about the opinions of the frat-boy Rossifumi. Listening to the ungracious remarks about this great champion rider is like listening to ants jeer at an elephant. He has lived and realized his dream and gone from being a little kid on a dirtbike to a world champion and as a grown-up had the integrity to reject a lower standard of racing. Boppers can can stamp their feet in frustration because Casey Stoner can't be bothered to care what they think. They can whine and make frat-boy jokes all they want. While they sit at their computers patting themselves on the back and feeling self-important - Stoner has lived the dream and moved on.

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"integrity to reject a lower standard of racing" ? That's a pretty lofty description my friend. I guess everybody else still racing have sold out? Kesh, come on bro, just because Casey has declared it a lower standard, that makes it true? I'm sure that will be the rally cry for defending his decision (which rightly or wrongly WE are doing it). How many BSB riders left in protest because they revampted the series this year? We can easily make the case that not using electronics is not using the state of the art of racing.

povol said:

dj.

Having, relating to, or consisting of more than one individual, element, part, or other component; manifold.

n.

A number that may be divided by another number with no remainder:



Casey has multiple championships, and will have several after this year.

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So if you had 2 beers out with your mates and your misses said "how many beers have you had tonight?" Would you answer 2 or multiple you neo's make me laugh. Why say multiple instead of 2. Oh i know, because it sounds like more

chopperman said:

You get one mate. Multiple means "consisting of, having, or involving several or many" 2 is hardly several or many. You use the word multiple because you wanted to fluff it up to be larger that it actually is.

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1 X 1 is the first step in what? Say it... The Multiplication Table.

lil red rocket pilot said:

Would Pedro?

Or should that be Puig?

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Neither of those pendejos would welcome him. But .... 'em. They they don't run Honda or Repsol.

In the end they're both just employees.

Casey Stoner believes MotoGP is 'going backwards' in moving away from being a prototype-only championship, after saying the series no longer holds his interest.

After announcing his plans for retirement at the end of this season, Stoner explained that there were a number of factors that had dimmed his passion for the category - one of which included the future direction of the sport.

"It is not starting again from the beginning, it is going backwards," said Stoner, referring to the arrival of the production-based CRTs and consideration given to a more production-based future.

"For me it is not the championship I fell in love in. It is not the championship I always wanted to race in and, except for my competitors around me, they are the only ones who give respect for each other.

"Nobody else has enough respect for the people that do their jobs, working at the teams, working in the trucks, and putting this show on every week. It is not easy.

"There are many, many different reasons but it is basically me losing my patience with the racing and my enjoyment of this sport. For sure I am going to enjoy this year but if I continue [beyond that] it will be a mistake on my half. It would not be correct to Honda and everyone at the team if I did not give 110 per cent."

Stoner also hit out of the way the media had been so critical of the racing recently and reckons that such a stance will only serve to hurt its chances of recovering.

"My passion has slowly ebbed away from this championship," said the Australian, who also expressed frustration at the cynicism that greeted his lactose intolerance problems that kept him away from some races in 2009.

"You yourselves, the media, have not exactly been friendly to this championship and criticised me many times, especially recently.

"[But] people don't realise that everybody is bringing it down themselves, they are saying the racing is boring, that is boring but if you go back some years you will find the same number of races that were close or not.

"I think people just need to appreciate what they have in front of them, and I think everybody in this room needs to realise what sort of championship they have, before it is gone.

"I think it will be really nice to see some fantastic racing again at the front. But, with only a few factory bikes out there, it is not going to happen soon.

"There needs to be more high quality bikes out there so people like Randy [de Puniet] can run where he deserves to be and not so far behind 12th position. There is no way for them to get anywhere near the factory bikes."

Speaking about his lactose intolerance situation, Stoner said: "Everyone still to this day says it was a mystery illness the fact that no one understands that I have a lactose intolerance, that is really critical to me."



GIVE IT EM Casey the powers that be the press the lot

GET IN

Jumkie said:

"integrity to reject a lower standard of racing" ?

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If Moto2 didn't exist, I guess maybe the idea that cheaper bikes meant a lower standard of racing might be arguable.



As it is, it's laughable.

Keshav said:

Neither of those pendejos would welcome him. But .... 'em. They they don't run Honda or Repsol.

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Pedrosa has already said Lorenzo as a teammate is just fine, and a couple of rounds ago they shared a hug on parc ferme -- it's not an issue except in fevered imaginations.

Stoner's always been a mentally weak guy. I'm pretty sure the pressure was just too much for him to handle....... so he rather quit while he's on top.

imho, one of the all-time greatest on pure talent alone. other than that, didn't do much for advancing the sport. so not a huge loss for motogp. brilliant to leave as king of the hill but will be remembered as a quitter. who will the anti-rossi fans cling on to now? LMFAO!!!

Beef Supreme said:

If Moto2 didn't exist, I guess maybe the idea that cheaper bikes meant a lower standard of racing might be arguable. As it is, it's laughable.

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I'm not quite sure what you mean, please explain.

Beef Supreme said:

He says one of the things that has bothered him is the criticism that MotoGP is boring -- he doesn't think it's boring.



The other thing that bothers him is skepticism about his ailment.



It's clear that his unpopularity has bothered him over the years. He won't have to worry about reading mean things in the media next year anyway.

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Nicky Hayden was accused and still is accused of being an accidental champion. He then was placed in a situation (despite people ignoratnly denying it still to this day) where he could not defend his title. He's ridden in the shadow of the darling of the sport, and has endured much disrespect as a rider. He has soldiered on. That also takes balls. This has turned many of his old detractors into admirers.



I certainly do think Casey has been bothered by all of this as he should, and much of it totally undeserved, especially the illness thing. But what is the message when you "retire/quit" depending on your point of view? Does it give more fuel to those that thought you quit the first time around in the middle of the season? Just a question, I'm not implying anything.



You know, I remember a very similar situation in SX (not sure if you follow). When Ricky Carmichael came in winning, many didn't like him. He even too a very defensive stance, similar to CS. But he soldier on and plugged away gaining fans through titles, wins, and records. Casey has been vindicated quite a bit the last two season. I personally can't quite stomach the reasons he is giving for retire (sorry to my Stoner fan friends I still have left). Saying he disapproves of the changes just doesn't ring lofty to me. Especially because I don' think the CRTs are any more a step "backwards" than when we went from two-strokes to four, or from 800s to 1000s. I did think going from 990s to 800s was a "step backwards" but nobody threatened to quit/retire.

Jumkie said:

"integrity to reject a lower standard of racing" ? That's a pretty lofty description my friend. I guess everybody else still racing have sold out? Kesh, come on bro, just because Casey has declared it a lower standard, that makes it true? I'm sure that will be the rally cry for defending his decision (which rightly or wrongly WE are doing it). How many BSB riders left in protest because they revampted the series this year? We can easily make the case that not using electronics is not using the state of the art of racing.

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That apparently is his view. Who am I, or anyone else for that matter, to tell Stoner that he should stick it out - if he's dissatisfied with the quality of the bikes, Dorna's management, etc. ? I don't imagine that MGP will be terrible next year - for me. But if Stoner finds sees it as being less challenging or not up to his standards - that's his call. If he were saying, the bikes are too loud, or too fast, too challenging that would be another thing. Clearly he feels the qualities that drew him to the sport are now, or will be missing in 2013, and he doesn't feel motivated to continue.

Keshav said:

1 X 1 is the first step in what? Say it... The Multiplication Table.

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i will tell you what it is. Its a way for you to describe your hero without making him sound less of an achiever compared to the man you hate. You describe stoner as a "multiple champ" as you would describe Rossi as a "multiple" champ . You could not stand calling him a 2 times champ because the man you hate is a 7 times champ so using the word multiple is your way of being in denial. Pov goes a step further in saying Casey is better than Rossi and championships have nothing to do with it Boppers!

chopperman said:

So if you had 2 beers out with your mates and your misses said "how many beers have you had tonight?" Would you answer 2 or multiple

you neo's make me laugh. Why say multiple instead of 2. Oh i know, because it sounds like more

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No, i would answer "none of your ....... business"



Your still wrong, multiple is more than one. Live with it.

povol said:

No, i would answer "none of your ....... business"

Your still wrong, multiple is more than one. Live with it.

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It maybe but it's also a bopper way to describe 2 championships

Beef Supreme said:

Pedrosa has already said Lorenzo as a teammate is just fine, and a couple of rounds ago they shared a hug on parc ferme -- it's not an issue except in fevered imaginations.

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Can't read Pedrosa's mind - but I would hazard to say this was an easy thing to say to the press when there seemed not a chance in hell of it actually happening. You know what they always say about the first guy you want to beat is your teammate. I don't see that much happening if Lorenzo were to come aboard. It's only human nature to want to be top dog and doubtless Pedrosas imagines he's earned that title and expects it once Stoner is gone.