Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
I'll have to have another look on the video. I haven't watched it since last night.
I was listening to the radio here in Sydney and Stoner's comment got a mention, specifically the fact that Rossi and Stoner don't like each other. The broadcasters thought Stoner's line about Rossi "ambition outweighing talent" was quite game considering Rossi is a 9x world champion. These guys obviously don't have any allegiences one way or another as they had no real idea about Motogp but they thought it was a fail to say that to someone with the record of Valentino.
Regardless if he won 9 championships or 100....... Stoner is still a faster rider then Rossi. I'm sure Stoner has respect for what Rossi has achieved in his career but as a racer your mentality has to be of one who thinks they are the best out there, that's just the genetic makeup of what a 'racer' is. If you don't feel you are the best in racing, even if you are a backmarker, then you have no business being a racer. Just cuz Rossi has 9 championships to his credit that everyone has to respect and bow down to him??
The point of that was saying that they did not have any sort of bias one way or another. As they were Australian broadcasters, you would actually expect them to lean towards Stoner yet they still considered it to be a fail.
I'm not saying people should bow down to him. I'm saying that people should respect what he has achieved.
I just thought the outsider's perspective of the sledge was interesting as it was the opposite of what is being stated on this forum.
It's all heat of the moment. Stoner was always going to try to take Rossi down a peg or two in front of the media.
I understand that and agree to some extent. My point is they are likely ignorant as to the extent of animosity between these two and hence why Stoner's remark might be "justified."
Rossi was already out from under the bike. when they got there. They helped both but stoner should have received more help. I think he actually gave the "up yours" gesture to the marshals or maybe it was Rossi when he was on top of the wall. Rossi ...... up today but he did apologize for it.
Haha what laughs some of the comments regarding "the" racing incident
Being my first post I'll say "GDay" now you know where I'm coming from - pity the race was ruined firstly by the rain and then unfortunately the get together !
Usual beat up by the media and even here on the forum (which by the way looks great by the enthused members) and typically Vale knows how to make himself look an angel for all to see, the master of deception pity CS doesn't know how to play this game far better but this is not him.
Done and dusted it will not faze him but harder he up more.......going to be a great battle for the rest of the year !
Being my first post I'll say "GDay" now you know where I'm coming from - pity the race was ruined firstly by the rain and then unfortunately the get together !
Usual beat up by the media and even here on the forum (which by the way looks great by the enthused members) and typically Vale knows how to make himself look an angel for all to see, the master of deception pity CS doesn't know how to play this game far better but this is not him.
Done and dusted it will not faze him but harder he up more.......going to be a great battle for the rest of the year !
What channel/station was this Woody (asking as genuiinely interested in which radio station reports MGP in this country)?
But, the fact that as you say they are just 'announcers' does not mean they are either unbiased in their opinions as Rossi is heavily reported on in this country and as such most journalists would know of him and what he has achieved. In my experience with few journalists those not skilled or fans of motorcycle racing aret hemselves wrapped up in the Rossi phenomenon and as such are want to offer biased opinions when it comes to Riossi (ie. Brian Taylor in Melbourne).
Basically IMO without knowing their individual history of watching MGP or motorcycle racing in general, their opinion is about as worthwhiel as is our own.
As a matter of interest I would also say that aside from motorcycle specific journalists I have not seen Valentino criticised in the Australian media no matter what, yet have seen Stoner criticised (as with Lleyton Hewitt).
I think people do respect what VR has achieved, after all one can hardly forget given the levels of reminding done by some on the forum. But it is also this 'level of achievement' that opens him to higher scrutiny and expectations as when he fails people will always asked how can such experience, make such a basic error etc.
As for Stoner 'trying to take VR down in front of teh media', sorry to sound obnoxious here but are you for real?
Valentino is the master media player, there is no peer within the paddock and you suggest (or feel) that Stoner was going to try to take him down. Valentino takes his entourage, the media and who knows who else into another's garage, all uninvited and yet it is CS who was going to take him down, nope sorry, do not buy it. VR went to that garage to 'apologise' in front of media to make an effort or attempt to show contrition or remorse after not having acknowledged such on track at the incident or even when CS was trackside.
To me the situation taht VR did not offer apology on track by means of a hand gesture (from the pictures/video I have seen), nor did he acknowledge or offer a hand/wave of apology when Stoner was trackside (refer Rog's thread) shows to me that the level of pit apology was somewhat contrived.
Gaz
Joined Apr 2011
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Pangea
I am just really dissapointed to have what was potentially a thrilling last half of the race between the fab four cut short through sheer stupidity. When was the last time all the aliens were placed for a ding dong dice like that was shaping up to be (OMG I just sounded like Darrell Eastlake....NO!!!!!!)
Rossi had every chance of winning that race if he had have used his legendary racecraft. Instead he spoiled it for everyone watching with a momentary brainfart and took out the championship leader in the process. Epic fail!
Rossi had every chance of winning that race if he had have used his legendary racecraft. Instead he spoiled it for everyone watching with a momentary brainfart and took out the championship leader in the process. Epic fail!
Okay, I've only read the first couple of posts and i hope this hasn't turend into some slagging fest.
Firstly i did not watch the whole race, i missed it and it sounds like i missed an eventful one. I have seen the manouvre on You tube.
My thoughts - if Rossi didn't think he could make the manouvre safetly he wouldn't have done it. It was his back tyre that took out Stoners bike not his front end which suggests to me he had past Stoner. There seemed to be plenty of room between the riders and the white line of the track - not like Laguna seca (i think) where rossi undertook on the gravel - which was both genius, brave and stupid. This manouvre i don't think was. I read that the marshalls only went for Rossi, I haven't read anywhere that Stoner complained about this - which i would have thought he would have (unless he is waiting for team orders and doing it away from TV cameras). If this was the case the Marshalls went for Rossi because of who he is then this is completly out of order (unless of course Rossi was under the bike and Stoner was walking). However should this be the case that Stoner was walking at least 1 of the marshalls should have helped him back on the track.
I thought it was good of Rossi to say sorry after the race, and was nice to see Stoner except the apology. However in some ways i agree with Stoner that the apology should have been without cameras. But then again if Rossi had not apologised straight after the race i would have been annoyed at Rossi for not going straight over. I think the cameras would have followed him wherever he had gone and this is not nessarially his fault. I hope he went and apologised or even chatted to Stoner about the incident after the cameras have gone.
I'm glad both riders are ok.
Firstly i did not watch the whole race, i missed it and it sounds like i missed an eventful one. I have seen the manouvre on You tube.
My thoughts - if Rossi didn't think he could make the manouvre safetly he wouldn't have done it. It was his back tyre that took out Stoners bike not his front end which suggests to me he had past Stoner. There seemed to be plenty of room between the riders and the white line of the track - not like Laguna seca (i think) where rossi undertook on the gravel - which was both genius, brave and stupid. This manouvre i don't think was. I read that the marshalls only went for Rossi, I haven't read anywhere that Stoner complained about this - which i would have thought he would have (unless he is waiting for team orders and doing it away from TV cameras). If this was the case the Marshalls went for Rossi because of who he is then this is completly out of order (unless of course Rossi was under the bike and Stoner was walking). However should this be the case that Stoner was walking at least 1 of the marshalls should have helped him back on the track.
I thought it was good of Rossi to say sorry after the race, and was nice to see Stoner except the apology. However in some ways i agree with Stoner that the apology should have been without cameras. But then again if Rossi had not apologised straight after the race i would have been annoyed at Rossi for not going straight over. I think the cameras would have followed him wherever he had gone and this is not nessarially his fault. I hope he went and apologised or even chatted to Stoner about the incident after the cameras have gone.
I'm glad both riders are ok.
By take down Rossi a peg or two, I mean in the context of the position he found himself in - i.e. bailed up in his garage with Rossi and an entourage of papparazi. Stoner wasn't going to just shake his hand and not tell Rossi what he thought. You don't think that the point of Stoner's comments was to have a go at Rossi because he was pissed off?
Not sure who the radio presenter was, I don't normally listen to that station. It was an old fella's station - 2GB.
I don't think I've ever seen Rossi apologise for anything actually on the track. That's just the way he is. I don't have a problem with it as they are not there to wipe each other's bottoms.
Your starting to sound like a dumped school girl. Something tells me something more than rossi taking out stoner has got your goat ! cheer up mate.
Absolutely his comments were designed to put VR in his place, no doubt and IMO they worked as VR did not seem to expect a smiling Stoner (albeit a very pointedly sarcastic smile)
So you are their 1 listener
I have.
I can recall times when he (and many others) have raised hands when they have put other riders in difficult situations bet hat a hard pass or simply getting to close during a pass.
As an old friend whom I played tennis bag in the days before old age set in used to say. The way to tell a genuine apology against a show is that if I am looking at you and offer the apology when it happens, it is genuine, if I Turn my back and raise my hand, then FU.
Gaz
Your starting to sound like a dumped school girl. Something tells me something more than rossi taking out stoner has got your goat ! cheer up mate.
Maybe he is/was a Labour fan in NSW
Sorry Michael, I don't mean it
Gaz
