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*SPOILERS* rossi takes out stoner

No-one, including me, was a fan of labor in NSW in the recent past.



Congratulations on your measured posts.



I stopped watching the race live after simoncelli proved my point by crashing as I knew he would, just as I knew stoner would be even more a villain for actually being taken out by rossi than he was for nearly being taken out by him, both times through no error on his part, and for making a comment no more barbed than valentino has made on countless occasions.



Speaking of the apology, I saw one man prepared to meet the other's eye, and it wasn't the bloke with the helmet on.
 
Michael I am so glad that you have returned to calling things as they are rather than the politically correct version that humours the boppers that you have been posing as lately. I had actually stopped reading your posts of late due to their PC nature.
 
michaelm said:
No-one, including me, was a fan of labor in NSW in the recent past.
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Tell me about it, I live in bloody labor heartland, home of the corruption





michaelm said:
Congratulations on your measured posts.
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Give me time
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michaelm said:
I stopped watching the race live after simoncelli proved my point by crashing as I knew he would, just as I knew stoner would be even more a villain for actually being taken out by rossi than he was for nearly being taken out by him, both times through no error on his part, and for making a comment no more barbed than valentino has made on countless occasions.
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Yep, agreed that again no matter what CS says or does to some he is the devil incarnate.



IMO, CS showed immense maturity today in both his race, his immediate behaviour at the time of the incident and his handling of the media show come apology time. At no time do I think CS did himself a disservice and actually from what I have read around various forums it would seem that many 'fence sitters' are now more admiring of him after that little interchange than they may once have been.



IMO, CS won more today than he may realise at the moment













Gaz
 
Gaz said:
IMO, CS showed immense maturity today in both his race, his immediate behaviour at the time of the incident and his handling of the media show come apology time.

Gaz
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wow, your definition of Maturity is obviously different. What was mature about the jump over the wall trackside?



Not too mention the display in the garage, which was at least very funny! I'm sure this very mature reaction will prove to be very positive for Stoner as he faces the fans at most European rounds this year.... Looks like Honda put all their dollars into the new box and overlooked the PR guy....
 
Gaz said:
Tell me about it, I live in bloody labor heartland, home of the corruption









Give me time
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Yep, agreed that again no matter what CS says or does to some he is the devil incarnate.



IMO, CS showed immense maturity today in both his race, his immediate behaviour at the time of the incident and his handling of the media show come apology time. At no time do I think CS did himself a disservice and actually from what I have read around various forums it would seem that many 'fence sitters' are now more admiring of him after that little interchange than they may once have been.



IMO, CS won more today than he may realise at the moment













Gaz
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+1
 
Talpa said:
wow, your definition of Maturity is obviously different. What was mature about the jump over the wall trackside?
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And I see your reading skills have not changed.



Please yet again read it as I leave out that aspect and as you would have noticed elsewhere I do openly admit that particular aspect to be of concern, although unlike you I do not deem it dangerous (edit) nor do I deem it an offence subject to horse whipping whilst covered in methylated spirits as some seem to beleive it deserves





Talpa said:
Not too mention the display in the garage, which was at least very funny! I'm sure this very mature reaction will prove to be very positive for Stoner as he faces the fans at most European rounds this year.... Looks like Honda put all their dollars into the new box and overlooked the PR guy....
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Let me ask you then.



Was it mature of VR to 'apologise' whilst wearing a helmet?



Was it mature for VR to bring teh entire team and media into a competitors garage to apologise?



Remember now that this 'apology' did not occur at the scene, nor was any such remorse shown at the scene of the incident or when Stoner 'placed himself in such horrific danger'. So, was the 'apology' a show of genuine contrition?



Now, no need to answer as you will say that it absolutely was yet it would seem that many (including a number who are or claim to be VR fans) seem to think the 'apology' was done for show and not a sign of any genuine contrition.



Talpa, you and I will never agree as you have yellow blood running through your veins and are a confessed CS hater whereas I do not and will support actions of any rider where required (go on, mention that I have never supported VR - and then check posts please) and as such we won't agree on this issue either.











Gaz
 
Talpa said:
wow, your definition of Maturity is obviously different. What was mature about the jump over the wall trackside?



Not too mention the display in the garage, which was at least very funny! I'm sure this very mature reaction will prove to be very positive for Stoner as he faces the fans at most European rounds this year.... Looks like Honda put all their dollars into the new box and overlooked the PR guy....
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Sufficient maturity to be not annoyed by these events would probably not be consistent with continuing cardiac function.



I'll give rossi credit for his reaction the time de puniet took him out early in a race a season or two ago, not that as I recall this was an overambitious pass by randy, just a straight lose as was his wont in (?those) days; valentino did return the favour subsequently also entirely without malice aforethought.



Remind me of the maturity displayed by valentino in various incidents with biaggi and elias not even involving him being taken down, and with that very grown-up curse on gibernau.



I find it fairly desperate on your part that you are so emboldened by valentino getting close enough to a contender to fall and crash into him.
 
We still going on about this lol......



It was indeed harsh for stoner, rossi made a mistake.
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The interpretation of stoners comments and actions are entirely down to the individual, as is the legitimacy of rossi's apology.



Some see stoner as a crybaby/moaner, others see him as " fast and honest/no bs".



Some see rossi as a egomaniac/hitman, others see him as likeable gritty true racer.



The fact is that these circus acts that we call threads never end with anything other than a slow fizzle out as each member tries to discredit, and disprove the next...and one bandwagon makes way for the next. The main driving force of course being bias.....even from those claiming to show none.



The reality is this thing is a part of racing, and if accidents neven happened the sport would be nowhere near the same. Making big issue out of something which happens in the blink of an eye, at very fast pace, and in the wet...is crazy. A mistake yes, but that is all.



I cant think of one person who hasnt said it was rossi's mistake.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
Michael I am so glad that you have returned to calling things as they are rather than the politically correct version that humours the boppers that you have been posing as lately. I had actually stopped reading your posts of late due to their PC nature.
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+1 Mental



I have to sincerely applaud Michael for his stoic diplomacy in the face of unrelenting bopperism. His posts offer deep insight, intelligent analysis and are always a considered and measured response to some of the quite frankly ludicrous propositions that manifest themselves on this forum.



But I must say it is good to see he finally has a bit of mongrel in him too. His demeanour in this particular episode is a good indicator as to the severity of that kamikaze move we saw yesterday.



Some of the posters on here (and you know who you are) supporting and indeed congratulating a rider for taking down another competitor are a blight on the sport and have no place in a civil debate. These guys risk it all and none of them deserve such unfair treatment no matter who you support or detest. I suggest these particular individuals advocating dangerous racing tactics and the scuttling of competitors simply go .... themselves.
 
Gaz said:
Was it mature of VR to 'apologise' whilst wearing a helmet?
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I dont see that having any baring on maturity...its only a helmet for goodness sake. I guess he could have been scared of little casey, but i highly doubt that had anything to do with it.
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Gaz said:
Was it mature for VR to bring teh entire team and media into a competitors garage to apologise?
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He obviously felt that his mistake warranted a swift apology. As for the team/media well its rossi we are talking about...good luck getting off your bike and not getting followed about.



He probably considered that they would follow, but obviously felt that first and foremost he should apologise asap.



Pointless though...people can defend rossi's apology, and also stoners comments.....but foor everyone shouting a defence there is someone on the attack.



circus.
 
Poor boners can't accept the fact that their "as it is" god is just an insecure ....., who percieves a plain and simple racing incident as a personal insult and then tries to reestablish himself by badmouthing a man, who achieved much more than him. Nothing to talk about really.
 
All this crap about Casey not showing any respect for Rossi with his "ambition outweighing his talent" comment is very amusing. Respect is something earned & continued respect must be continually earned.



What has Rossi done in the last 3 years to earn Stoner's respect?



Nearly taking him out a Laguna in 2008.

Slagging off his riding of the Ducati last year when he undoubtedly thought he could ride it.

..... about the tyres Casey, Ducati & Bridgestone developed until he got the rules changed.

Yesterdays optimistic attempt at getting around a corner etc



Stoner clearly admires what Rossi has acheived, who wouldn't, and those saying he doesn't respect Rossi are correct. He has no respect for him & rightly so. How can you possibly respect someone who behaves the way Rossi has the last few years.



R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Some just don't know what it means

R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Why can't Casey love Vale



Sook it to me, Sook it to me............a little respect
 
33 Coupe said:
All this crap about Casey not showing any respect for Rossi with his "ambition outweighing his talent" comment is very amusing. Respect is something earned & continued respect must be continually earned.



What has Rossi done in the last 3 years to earn Stoner's respect?



Nearly taking him out a Laguna in 2008.

Slagging off his riding of the Ducati last year when he undoubtedly thought he could ride it.

..... about the tyres Casey, Ducati & Bridgestone developed until he got the rules changed.

Yesterdays optimistic attempt at getting around a corner etc



Stoner clearly admires what Rossi has acheived, who wouldn't, and those saying he doesn't respect Rossi are correct. He has no respect for him & rightly so. How can you possibly respect someone who behaves the way Rossi has the last few years.



R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Some just don't know what it means

R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Why can't Casey love Vale



Sook it to me, Sook it to me............a little respect
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Tbh if stoner was a real racer, and not a practise lap special.....then he would respect what rossi put on him in laguna
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It was a consumate beating.



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