*SPOILERS* rossi takes out stoner

Nino said:

Acting like a spoilt ..... isn't going to endear him to the majority of fans, but he probably doesn't care about that.



Every rider has a sob story. Stoner himself has lost the front end of the Ducati many times, so for him to make those comments is sheer hypocrisy.

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I think the reality is something very different than what you've posted here. The most vocal fan demographic are clearly clad in yellow. When you say "majority of fans" you're no doubt including that group. There's another far less vocal and visible fan demographic and that would be the fans of someone "other than Rossi."



No offense intended, but those who consider themselves Rossi fans never liked Stoner. They were never going to like Stoner so they're lost on him. Those who do not ally themselves with Rossi probably either like Stoner more for what he's done today or at the very least take no offense to his behavior. I don't think what he's done today will hurt him amongst those who either already like him or have no particular opinion. The only fans upset with Stoner snubbing Rossi publicly are Rossi fans. Stoner will be unhurt by this in my opinion and by seasons end, Stoner will have distanced himself enough from Rossi for it to matter little.



This incident will be discussed for a long time to come but I don't think Rossi and Stoner will share the same track space very often this season. At seasons end, the Stoner/Lorenzo/Pedrosa drama will be far more interesting that who's fighting for 7th in the championship.

Nino said:

Acting like a spoilt ..... isn't going to endear him to the majority of fans, but he probably doesn't care about that.



Every rider has a sob story. Stoner himself has lost the front end of the Ducati many times, so for him to make those comments is sheer hypocrisy.

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Talking out your ... as usual. Stoner never took anyone out when he went down.



Making a witty comment is not equivalent to "being a spoiled .....". You sound

like some 12 year ghetto kid smoking crack in the playground.

Keshav said:

Talking out your ... as usual. Stoner never took anyone out when he went down.



Making a witty comment is not equivalent to "being a spoiled .....". You sound

like some 12 year ghetto kid smoking crack in the playground.

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I thought the same, but someone mentioned Stoner taking Sete out in 2006?

Nino said:

I thought the same, but someone mentioned Stoner taking Sete out in 2006?

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No - that was Rossi. - At the next race when Stoner whips

Rossi's ... - will you be telling us Stoner wasn't man enough

to let Rossi win?

Interesting to see Marquez able to accept Cluzel's apology with grace, and he's what 18? The contrast with Stoner couldn't be sharper.

levigarrett said:

The only fans upset with Stoner snubbing Rossi publicly are Rossi fans. Stoner will be unhurt by this in my opinion and by seasons end, Stoner will have distanced himself enough from Rossi for it to matter little.



This incident will be discussed for a long time to come but I don't think Rossi and Stoner will share the same track space very often this season. At seasons end, the Stoner/Lorenzo/Pedrosa drama will be far more interesting that who's fighting for 7th in the championship.

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The problem is the percentage of the TV audience comprised by rossi fans, which is what dorna care about.



Your latter point is what is annoying stoner fans. He is likely to be in a tense battlle all year with pedrosa and lorenzo, and has to worry about honda deciding at some stage to go with one rider for the championship, so being taken out by a non-contender is doubly annoying; he may well have been prepared to let rossi go and settle for 2nd or 3rd for the sake of his championship in these conditions. Of course as I said on the other thread rossi might turn up at the estoril test with a ferrari F1 car; I am sure dorna would find no problem in such an eventuality.

levigarrett said:

This incident will be discussed for a long time to come but I don't think Rossi and Stoner will share the same track space very often this season. At seasons end, the Stoner/Lorenzo/Pedrosa drama will be far more interesting that who's fighting for 7th in the championship.

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Valentino looked very strong todays on a real 'rider circuit', albeit in wet conditions. Fastest lap of the race.



I really think we will see some big improvements from the Ducati. I think a lot of Stoner fans are hoping it will only be the current top three, but I don't that's gonna be the case at all. We will see in due course.

Nino said:

Valentino looked very strong todays on a real 'rider circuit', albeit in wet conditions. Fastest lap of the race.



I really think we will see some big improvements from the Ducati. I think a lot of Stoner fans are hoping it will only be the current top three, but I don't that's gonna be the case at all. We will see in due course.

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He may or may not fix the bike, but the 800 ducatis have always been good in the rain; I have always wondered if this is one area in which they do have a genuine advantage with the electronics/traction control.

michaelm said:

He may or may not fix the bike, but the 800 ducatis have always been good in the rain; I have always wondered if this is one area in which they do have a genuine advantage with the electronics/traction control.

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really? Ducati with an advantage...... How proposturous!

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Nino said:

Interesting to see Marquez able to accept Cluzel's apology with grace, and he's what 18? The contrast with Stoner couldn't be sharper.

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Cluzel is not "a NINE TIME WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!!" and doesn't have Rossi's experience and pedigree

- therefore one could forgive him for losing his head or taking a bad risk. The comparison doesn't hold water.

Nino said:

Valentino looked very strong todays on a real 'rider circuit', albeit in wet conditions. Fastest lap of the race.



I really think we will see some big improvements from the Ducati. I think a lot of Stoner fans are hoping it will only be the current top three, but I don't that's gonna be the case at all. We will see in due course.

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You really don't know racing fans at all. You certainly haven't taken the measure of the folks on this forum.

For years the one thing that everybody here has been able to agree on - has been the desire to see close

racing between all the riders and and all the manufacturers because it's boring to see the same rider or

same factory running away at the beginning of the race. Your knowledge of the people here and racing

in general can be described in one word - superficial.

michaelm said:

He may or may not fix the bike, but the 800 ducatis have always been good in the rain; I have always wondered if this is one area in which they do have a genuine advantage with the electronics/traction control.

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As I've said many times I'm looking forward to the changes post Estoril.



I think a lot of people would like to see him full flat on his face, but I believe he is called The Doctor for a reason. A heavier crankshaft and a softer chassis could make the Desmo easier to ride, and will suit Rossi's racing style more.



Wouldn't be surprised if Yamaha make some significant changes too.

Nino said:

Valentino looked very strong todays on a real 'rider circuit', albeit in wet conditions. Fastest lap of the race.



I really think we will see some big improvements from the Ducati. I think a lot of Stoner fans are hoping it will only be the current top three, but I don't that's gonna be the case at all. We will see in due course.

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I'd love to believe that Rossi's performance pre-crash inferred that an improvement from Ducati is forthcoming. If that were the case, it'd be good news for Nicky...however, I don't think that's the case. The wet changes everything and generally, in these conditions the rider's skill trumps the typical advantage one package may have over another. Honda was unable to realize their significant power advantage while the Yamaha's handling advantage was marginalized. While I'm no particular fan of Rossi, I was pleased to see him moving through the field because it illuminated his talent and was a pleasure to watch..........right up until he abandoned intellect in favor of adventure.......



I also think the Ducati will improve, but it has not shown, in a very long time, the ability to compete well against Honda or Yamaha. The package will improve no doubt, but it will not be enough to propel Rossi ahead of the juggernaut that is Honda in the capable hands of Stoner and Pedrosa. A healthy Pedrosa appears to be every bit as formidable as Stoner. Add Lorenzo and an unpredictable but fast Super Sic and all of a sudden, fourth in the championship looks like a difficult spot for the Ducati to occupy. Speez has thus far been a disappointment, but I also think he'll be faster than Rossi most of the season. I think 5th in the championship will prove to be the very best that Rossi can hope for, and even that is going to prove difficult.



Indeed, we'll see in due course.

Keshav said:

Cluzel is not "a NINE TIME WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!!" and doesn't have Rossi's experience and pedigree

- therefore one could forgive him for losing his head or taking a bad risk. The comparison doesn't hold water.

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Eh? You think that was Marquez' thought-process? I'm not asking for your perspective, I'm comparing the reactions of Stoner with that of Marquez.



This guy is a teenager, but he didn't act like a total ...., because unlike Stoner he doesn't start crying over every racing incident that doesn't go his way.

Keshav said:

You really don't know racing fans at all. You certainly haven't taken the measure of the folks on this forum.

For years the one thing that everybody here has been able to agree on - has been the desire to see close

racing between all the riders and and all the manufacturers because it's boring to see the same rider or

same factory running away at the beginning of the race. Your knowledge of the people here and racing

in general can be described in one word - superficial.

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I've seen tons of people on here practically begging to see Rossi flop...the difference you are blind to it because all you're too busy fawning over 'Stoner tracks'.

levigarrett said:

I'd love to believe that Rossi's performance pre-crash inferred that an improvement from Ducati is forthcoming. If that were the

I also think the Ducati will improve, but it has not shown, in a very long time, the ability to compete well against Honda or Yamaha. The package will improve no doubt, but it will not be enough to propel Rossi ahead of the juggernaut that is Honda in the capable hands of Stoner and Pedrosa. A healthy Pedrosa appears to be every bit as formidable as Stoner. Add Lorenzo and an unpredictable but fast Super Sic and all of a sudden, fourth in the championship looks like a difficult spot for the Ducati to occupy. Speez has thus far been a disappointment, but I also think he'll be faster than Rossi most of the season. I think 5th in the championship will be the best that Rossi can hope for and even that is going to prove difficult.



Indeed, we'll see in due course.

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It's early in the season. He's not generally a complainer - but Spies said in an interview a few days ago that his M1

will start to improve soon - because it can't get any worse (almost verbatim). It was pointed out earlier that his

American Amigo/Crew chief may be finding himself over his head. Tho I thought he ran a great race today - but

unfortunately crashed - but long after Rossi and several other more experienced riders had already gone down

in the treacherous conditions.

I don't think that Rossi deliberately took Casey out, and to think so would be just a tad lacking in common sense.



However I also don't believe there was any sincerity behind Vale's apology at all.



If he was sincere he would have done it behind closed doors and with his helmet off.



Instead he did it in front of the pro Rossi biased media hoping to get an extreme reaction from Casey.



I never laughed so hard as when I did when Casey asked Vale about his shoulder and then hit him with the talent comment!



Casey wasn't t angry at all when he delivered it and the fist fight that everyone wanted didn't occur.



One of the best comments I heard was during the commentary when one of the commentators (not sure who sorry) said " Casey crashed last season because of the front end on the ducati when he was riding it and now it has caused him to crash again!"



Was funny as truly!



Cheers



Gecko.

Nino said:

Eh? You think that was Marquez' thought-process? I'm not asking for your perspective, I'm comparing the reactions of Stoner with that of Marquez.



This guy is a teenager, but he didn't act like a total ...., because unlike Stoner he doesn't start crying over every racing incident that doesn't go his way.

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And I'm saying that your comparison is not valid. You're comparing two young kids riding hopped up supersport bikes

to the two of the top riders in the world competing the highest honor in motorcycle racing. The "NINE TIMES WORLD

CHAMPION AND GOAT!!!" would rightfully be held to a higher standard than the kids in Moto 2.

Keshav said:

It's early in the season. He's not generally a complainer - but Spies said in an interview a few days ago that his M1

will start to improve soon - because it can't get any worse (almost verbatim). It was pointed out earlier that his

American Amigo/Crew chief may be finding himself over his head. Tho I thought he ran a great race today - but

unfortunately crashed - but long after Rossi and several other more experienced riders had already gone down

in the treacherous conditions.

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Yeah, I agree. Speez is going to come good. He ran a great race today and I was pleased to see him at the front. He's starting slow obviously but he's going to find his rhythm and one he does, I think he'll challenge for the podium routinely....something I don't think we'll see from any Ducati.