Shanghai Race Results *SPOILER*

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 6 2007, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well said Franco. Casey has had a remarkable recovery regarding consitency and it's great to watch him as he keep his head cold. Obviously he love the fantastic brigstone front tire and the ducati's front end feel compared to Honda's washy front, that only Pedrosa seem to be able to tame on a regular basis.

Rossi's only chance was to break away at the start, but when Stoner got into second on the first straight it was basicly over, even without Rossi's mistake at the hairpin on lap one. Even without it Stoner would have been right behind at next straight.
Exactly!!
I was watching the race, and although I wanted Vale to win, I already knew it wouldn't happen if Casey wouldn't make any mistakes..and as we could see he didn't, so therefore..all the credits to Stoner!!
But having said that, I do think Vale rode a very good race, you could see he was trying so damn hard. He also knew 2nd was the best result for him today. If you can't win, you should always minimize the damage, and that's what he did..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ May 6 2007, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At least Michelin sorted out their tyres, now Yamaha need to get more top speed. It's great watching Rossi make up the time on the brakes and the corners though.


They [Michelin] might not have chunked, but Bridgestone still had 6 of the top ten finishers including 1st and 3rd

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 6 2007, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haydens bigest achivment ever on the race track was to stay on the bike after that hit.
I hope his speed in the race reflected damages on the bike and not him at full speed because that sucked.

Similar lap times to capirossi (+ ) who finished 6th (+ 7th)?

Top Speed Reached In Race By Each Finisher
1. Stoner (Ducati), 333.5 kph (207.237 mph)
2. Hofmann (Ducati), 333.4 kph (207.175 mph)
3. Pedrosa (Honda), 332.6 kph (206.678 mph)
4. Capirossi (Ducati), 331.6 kph (206.056 mph)
5. de Puniet (Kawasaki), 331.0 kph (205.683 mph)
6. Barros (Ducati), 330.1 kph (205.124 mph)
7. Melandri (Honda), 325.8 kph (202.452 mph)
8. Rossi (Yamaha), 325.7 kph (202.389 mph)
9. Hayden (Honda), 325.5 kph (202.266 mph)
10. Hopkins (Suzuki), 324.8 kph (201.831 mph)
11. Edwards (Yamaha), 324.1 kph (201.396 mph)
12. Nakano (Honda), 323.1 kph (200.774 mph)
13. Guintoli (Yamaha), 321.8 kph (199.967 mph)
14. Checa (Honda), 320.0 kph (198.848 mph
15. Tamada (Honda), 319.5 kph (198.537 mph)
16. Vermeulen (Suzuki), 318.7 kph (198.040 mph)
17. Roberts (Honda), 317.9 kph (197.543 mph)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 6 2007, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Top Speed Reached In Race By Each Finisher
3. Pedrosa (Honda), 332.6 kph (206.678 mph)

Poor ride by pedrosa then?!
I think we're taking these top speed times too seriously. Yes ducati has an edge but there's a lot more to things than that and don't the top speeds, at the point measured, vary somewhat depending on riding style and situation (in a race: see difference between hopkins and ) ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 6 2007, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Top Speed Reached In Race By Each Finisher
1. Stoner (Ducati), 333.5 kph (207.237 mph)
2. Hofmann (Ducati), 333.4 kph (207.175 mph)
3. Pedrosa (Honda), 332.6 kph (206.678 mph)
4. Capirossi (Ducati), 331.6 kph (206.056 mph)
5. de Puniet (Kawasaki), 331.0 kph (205.683 mph)
6. Barros (Ducati), 330.1 kph (205.124 mph)
7. Melandri (Honda), 325.8 kph (202.452 mph)
8. Rossi (Yamaha), 325.7 kph (202.389 mph)
9. Hayden (Honda), 325.5 kph (202.266 mph)
10. Hopkins (Suzuki), 324.8 kph (201.831 mph)
11. Edwards (Yamaha), 324.1 kph (201.396 mph)
12. Nakano (Honda), 323.1 kph (200.774 mph)
13. Guintoli (Yamaha), 321.8 kph (199.967 mph)
14. Checa (Honda), 320.0 kph (198.848 mph
15. Tamada (Honda), 319.5 kph (198.537 mph)
16. Vermeulen (Suzuki), 318.7 kph (198.040 mph)
17. Roberts (Honda), 317.9 kph (197.543 mph)

To have a bike that was close to speed with the Ducati,Pedrosa's finish is not that impressive compared to Rossi and Hopkins who were both down big on speed numbers.

Pedrosa was the best Honda rider as always this season. So he did as best as it was possible given the machinery he has.

The "high" top speed is a product of his small frame giving him better aero coefficient and his very high corner speed making him start the straight faster than the rest of Hondas.

IMO with a Yamaha or Suzuki we would have than same or better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ May 6 2007, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Poor ride by pedrosa then?!
I think we're taking these top speed times too seriously. Yes ducati has an edge but there's a lot more to things than that and don't the top speeds, at the point measured, vary somewhat depending on riding style and situation (in a race: see difference between hopkins and ) ?

You are right, they depend on a lot. But Stoners top speed vs Rossi's doesn't reflect the real difference as Rossi were able to draft hopper near the end of the race. His topspeed was 9kph faster in the race than in qualifying. That is impossible without help.
Another point is the grunt the ducati put out. The difference is clear to see as soon as the traction control let go. Then the ducati pull away even with rossi sniffing the tail and he still can't even stay in the draft. Even on Rossi's first year with yamaha he were able to stay in the draft of his oponents, but not now.

Yeps we all agree ducati have the
advantage. I was just thinking it's time to turn the record
over...(falls asleep thinking of top speed charts to be quickly awakened from the nightmare of a speed gun pointing directly at my head...oh they don't fire bullets?!)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 6 2007, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>awsom ride from the doctor,if it wasnt for that missed apex he would have won i think.

I think you want to say: "if he wasnt to lose the race, he'd have won it."

Always the same story from fanboys. For the fanboy everything is valid, but admit the truth.

"He'd have won if...."

if this, if these, if that....



Right, Rossi surprised me this race, i failed miserably in my predictions, but it was because somehow Yamaha uses something like nitro or extremely high octane gasoline, Rossi's bike increased top speed about 10 km/h for the race. I couldnt count with that. Maybe without this "help", Hopikins could catch him.

Anyway, Stoner package was unbeatable again, no chances for Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ May 6 2007, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do expect Vale will beat Casey on most other circuits though..

I'd not count with this. Ducati bike suits perfectly for a lot of tracks and people who think that the big straights is the key factor is quite wrong. Just look at the past, in 2006 season, Capirossi finished in 2nd in Le mans, the circuit with lesser straight in season with the Desmosedici GP6 and with the poor bridgestone from that period. Not only this, there is others low-speed circuit that ducati suits very well, Turkey is another proof. Jerez was a excpetion this year, courtesy from Stoner mistakes.

Rossi wont have any easy race this season.

I guess that result was pretty predictable. Rossi outsmarted Michelin and ordered up the hardest tire they make, his tires didn't go off, but they never came into their own either. Hopper finishes third.......not too shabby.

Elias that ....... There's only one person on the whole grid he could torpedo to piss me off, and Elias hit him sqare on the button.

But I do have to vent about the MotoGP commentators, they suck.

1. "Stoner's Ducati gives him a huge advantage." Top speed has diminishing marginal returns, especially in Motogp b/c motorcycles don't have a big enough contact patch to brake like cars. Half of the .2 secs Stoner pulls out in the straight is clawed back b/c his braking point is 10-15 meters earlier than Rossi's. "Look at Rossi close up on the brakes!" OMG!

2. "Stoner and Rossi are weaving around on the straight to block one anothers lines." When Rossi was in front he took a line that Stoner wouldn't follow so Stoner had to fight drag. Similarly, when Stoner was in front he would ride off line so Rossi couldn't get a tow.

3. "Look at the power of the Ducati" Again, predictable as hell, perhaps suprising they finally made good use of desmo, but still predictable. The smaller the engine displacement the better desmo works b/c it robs far less power than valve springs and less than pneumatic setups. The Duc cruises above 19,000 rpm while other bikes start running out of breath.

"I didn't watch my friends die face down in the mud in Nam so they could .... it all up! ........ Am I wrong, Dude.... Dude, am I wrong?!"

"No, you're not wrong you're just an .......!"

Seacrest out.

What a great race...

I was impressed again by Stoner, and of course Vale..

even more impressed with Loris, Chris, Hayden (how did he stay on it?)..... but I was blown away by HOPPER & HOFFMAN!!!!

Welcome to all the new Casey fans!!!

Elise fans? We wont bite!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 6 2007, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you want to say: "if he wasnt to lose the race, he'd have won it."

Always the same story from fanboys. For the fanboy everything is valid, but admit the truth.

"He'd have won if...."

if this, if these, if that....



Right, Rossi surprised me this race, i failed miserably in my predictions, but it was because somehow Yamaha uses something like nitro or extremely high octane gasoline, Rossi's bike increased top speed about 10 km/h for the race. I couldnt count with that. Maybe without this "help", Hopikins could catch him.

Anyway, Stoner package was unbeatable again, no chances for Rossi.
I'd not count with this. Ducati bike suits perfectly for a lot of tracks and people who think that the big straights is the key factor is quite wrong. Just look at the past, in 2006 season, Capirossi finished in 2nd in Le mans, the circuit with lesser straight in season with the Desmosedici GP6 and with the poor bridgestone from that period. Not only this, there is others low-speed circuit that ducati suits very well, Turkey is another proof. Jerez was a excpetion this year, courtesy from Stoner mistakes.

Rossi wont have any easy race this season.


Rossi surprised you by coming second? what planet are you living on? Obviously "Planet never seen a motorcycle race in 10 years"


Unbelievable post

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ May 6 2007, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, Stoner package was unbeatable again, no chances for Rossi.
At least you got that right.
Oh thats true, you saw that on the screen, thats why you got it right.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 6 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At least you got that right.
Oh thats true, you saw that on the screen, thats why you got it right.


Very subtle

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ May 6 2007, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was thinking the same thing!

Congratulations to Casey! Job well done!

Congrats to Vale too. Everyone has to take risks, and sometimes it doesn;t go the way we planned but nevertheless, we take them. So thumbs up for never giving up.

Hopkins, mannn, it's long overdue, but here's to many more podiums for you.

So gutted for Nicky

right-o! great race really(but a little bit mroe action would've been better), Vale gave it all but that damn Ducati is really fast on the straights.

congrats to casey, very job well done really. Hopkins, too.

guess it's a ducati-yamaha battle this year huh? (won't be too torn then).


anybvody see casey tell Hopkins to get his helmet during the picture taking at the podium? hehe. Hopkins has a lot to learn re: podium finishes. hehe.

can't wait for next race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ May 6 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a great race...

I was impressed again by Stoner, and of course Vale..

even more impressed with Loris, Chris, Hayden (how did he stay on it?)..... but I was blown away by HOPPER & HOFFMAN!!!!

Welcome to all the new Casey fans!!!

Elise fans? We wont bite!!!

We wont bite, but they will probably run into the back of us.

Pete

[quote name='mylexicon' date='May 7 2007, 12:23 AM' post='64584']
I guess that result was pretty predictable. Rossi outsmarted Michelin and ordered up the hardest tire they make, his tires didn't go off, but they never came into their own either. Hopper finishes third.......not too shabby.

the tires performed way, way better than last time. (actually, last time they didn't work at all - not the way they should, anyway). i thought is saw the tires slip a bit whenever Rossi overtakes or curves. think maybe that's why he keeps running it wide? (coz, man, he's never had that many wide runs before in one race). the tires won't stick.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 6 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I do have to vent about the MotoGP commentators, they suck.

1. "Stoner's Ducati gives him a huge advantage." Top speed has diminishing marginal returns, especially in Motogp b/c motorcycles don't have a big enough contact patch to brake like cars. Half of the .2 secs Stoner pulls out in the straight is clawed back b/c his braking point is 10-15 meters earlier than Rossi's. "Look at Rossi close up on the brakes!" OMG!

What has cars to do with this? If any, it just proves you need a lot of skill to stop a bike.
I think you will need to look hard to find any commentator that doesn't point out the same thing. But I guess they all suck?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 6 2007, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We wont bite, but they will probably run into the back of us.

Pete